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uhoh7
01-24-2017, 13:14
You just get one....

brennanphotoguy
01-24-2017, 13:23
That's not a difficult decision. M10.

Darthfeeble
01-24-2017, 13:25
Much as I love my M9, fickle tramp that I am, I went with the M10 only because if I can't sell it I would want the most recent camera. Oh but that hurt!

uhoh7
01-24-2017, 13:27
;)That's not a difficult decision. M10.

No-brainer for me too :)

M9 Titan

https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/549/19655257005_bf4ec354b3_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/vWSk8t)
Cows with view (https://flic.kr/p/vWSk8t) by unoh7 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

Much as I love my M9, fickle tramp that I am, I went with the M10 only because if I can't sell it I would want the most recent camera. Oh but that hurt!

LOL ;)

PS nice M9 Titan overview:
http://elrectanguloenlamano.blogspot.com/2010/10/leica-m9-titanium-preliminary-analysis.html

Ko.Fe.
01-24-2017, 15:02
I tend to use light lenses, 330 body might be too light.
I prefer new equipment if I have do deal with just one unit.
M10 is going to stay in service longer than M9.

michaelwj
01-24-2017, 15:03
The thing I never got about the M9 Ti is why go to all that trouble to make it out of Ti, then omit the leatherette from where you hold it (which just looks odd and slippery) and omit the strap lugs. It kind of forces you to use that weird finger holder, which, if it were so great, would surely be included with other M's over the last 60+ years?

Therefore, M10.

pyeh
01-24-2017, 15:08
I didn't realise the ti M9 was so much lighter. I wonder if that's really true. Anyway, on the basis that it is true I picked it. Hopefully its shutter/re-cocking is quieter than the standard M9. That would make it The Best. I love the M9 files.

uhoh7
01-24-2017, 15:21
I didn't realise the ti M9 was so much lighter. I wonder if that's really true. Anyway, on the basis that it is true I picked it. Hopefully its shutter/re-cocking is quieter than the standard M9. That would make it The Best. I love the M9 files.
Me niether, but I came across it today :)

The M240 Titan lost 3 ounces, but it is not such a redesign, so I tend to believe the M9 titan weight of 330grams, which is incredible. Half the weight, to the gram, of the M10, which is 75 grams heavier than a M9!

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/e7/0b/00/e70b00b3e4453e74200c5f3c7a54afe0.jpg

Seal elaborates on M9 Titan (http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2010/12/22/its-not-the-photographer-its-the-camera-stupid-the-m9-titanium-arrives-by-6/)

I love the title of the article, and for me choosing the M9 has helped. I need every advantage ;)

Is that a 21 Lux?

ferider
01-24-2017, 15:45
Can I keep my 240 and buy a 21mm Lux instead ?

uhoh7
01-24-2017, 16:01
Can I keep my 240 and buy a 21mm Lux instead ?

Maybe I should have put the M240 Titan in there. I can't find the weight though, I think it's 600 grams.

Post up a link if anyone can find the specs :)

Thinking about the 21 Lux, what is the most valuable Leica lens, 35 Lux AA? Something which can be used, not just rare.

DougFord
01-24-2017, 16:50
M10

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Huss
01-24-2017, 17:03
I couldn't imagine who would want such anorexic cameras. Might as well use an iphone.

I like to curl my camera between shoots, for a nice bicep workout. With these things, well..
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a249/Desmolicious/Beef_zps94t9suh2.jpg

CVickery
01-24-2017, 17:35
That's a tough one! I'll go for the M9 Titanium...love the weight, look, CCD has it's charms :) and best of all apparently it only lights up one frameline at a time! Leica should put that in the M11! (or the M240 Mkii)

ferider
01-24-2017, 17:50
Maybe I should have put the M240 Titan in there. I can't find the weight though, I think it's 600 grams.

Post up a link if anyone can find the specs :)

Thinking about the 21 Lux, what is the most valuable Leica lens, 35 Lux AA? Something which can be used, not just rare.

590g including battery. 21 and 28 Lux would be what I would try if money was no issue. But we're all different.

gb hill
01-24-2017, 18:55
M10...Can I have a M lens to go with it? All mine are LTM's.

michaelwj
01-24-2017, 18:58
590g including battery. 21 and 28 Lux would be what I would try if money was no issue. But we're all different.

Oh, we can use the M9 Ti money to buy something else!
I'd get a 35mm Summilux Aspherical on a BP M4, plus a (small) boat load of film.

uhoh7
01-24-2017, 18:59
590g including battery. 21 and 28 Lux would be what I would try if money was no issue. But we're all different.

TY for that!!!

28 Lux would be seriously sweet, and especially with 240, or SL. M9 loves the 28 cron to death, more than those 2, it's smaller, lighter and sharper than the Lux, so for me for useful....well low light the lux would be better, I can't deny. I can't wait to see what the M10 makes of 28 Summicron.

On M9 it makes you look good at any aperture.

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8639/29913813301_f6fa0725b1_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/Mzo7vK)
Leaf Slide (https://flic.kr/p/Mzo7vK) by unoh7 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/), on Flickr

My best lens :)

But I already have it.....so I'm thinking double aspherical 35/1.4 for my Titan ;)

Haha, I should have made this even more interesting and said: you only get one M lens to use with your choice. :)

Darthfeeble
01-24-2017, 19:01
Seems to me that as light as the Titanium is that one of the bigger hunks of glass would make it feel unbalanced. I imagine that's why the titanium lens came with it.

Fotobot
01-24-2017, 19:29
Easy choice. No strap lugs = no sale. :D

Fotobot
01-24-2017, 19:33
Seal elaborates on M9 Titan (http://www.stevehuffphoto.com/2010/12/22/its-not-the-photographer-its-the-camera-stupid-the-m9-titanium-arrives-by-6/)

"Itís roughly the same weight or perhaps a tad heavier than the regular black M9" ó Seal writes in the comments.

Archlich
01-25-2017, 01:19
"It’s roughly the same weight or perhaps a tad heavier than the regular black M9" — Seal writes in the comments.

I find the 335 grams (battery included) claim a bit beyond my imagination. It's lighter than a Hexar RF, lighter than a Contax G2 (both have titanium shells), even lighter than the tiny Nikon 28Ti that I recently acquired. The famously titanium-crafted 28Ti, with battery and film, weigh 358 grams. In fact, the M9 Titanium is as light as a fully loaded Contax T2...

What's going on within that M9? Why couldn't Leica repeat the miracle with the M240 Titanium?

I found here (http://www.windingroad.com/articles/news/leica-m9-titanium-camera-designed-by-walter-desilva/) that the titanium 35/1.4 ASPH that came with the kit also weighs 335 grams. Hmm. A coincidence, or a mistake?

Archlich
01-25-2017, 02:03
Found a Japanese reviewer who had actually weighted the camera:

https://zigsow.jp/review/132/196012

Body weighs 600 grams and the lens is 344 grams. In accordance with Seal's impression - it's actually heavier than a regular M9, which weighs 585 grams.

pyeh
01-25-2017, 02:43
In that case, if I could take back my vote I would!

brennanphotoguy
01-25-2017, 03:58
No re-dos.

willie_901
01-25-2017, 07:03
I would always choose the camera with the highest raw-file signal-to-noise ratio. This assumes that camera does not have a profound flaw or other disadvantage that would affect my creative interests.

narsuitus
01-25-2017, 07:16
I prefer titanium bodies for the way they resist wear and tear; not for the light weight.

However, I prefer the features of M10 compared to the M9; therefore, I voted for the M10.

If only a titanium Leica M10 were available.

uhoh7
01-25-2017, 07:48
Found a Japanese reviewer who had actually weighted the camera:

https://zigsow.jp/review/132/196012

Body weighs 600 grams and the lens is 344 grams. In accordance with Seal's impression - it's actually heavier than a regular M9, which weighs 585 grams.

I was going by Josť Manuel Serrano Esparza
"The remarkable lightness of this noble metal joined together with its extreme sturdiness, have enabled to achieve a camera body weight 250 g lower than the 585 g of the Leica M9"

Somebody was fibbing....or

Who wants to call him? ;)
http://www.reportajes-jmserrano.com/principal.html

He is member of LHS can't find his email. Let's find one more source which is definitive on weight.

Looking more here it is "20 grams lighter"
https://photothisandthat.co.uk/2010/11/14/leica-m9-titanium/

jaapv
01-25-2017, 08:44
Neither...

taemo
01-25-2017, 09:11
M10 for me.. thinner, ISO dial.. no sensor corrosion.

M9 Titanium if I were a collector and have money to throw away.

jsrockit
01-25-2017, 09:15
M10 if we are playing fantasy. M-D or Q in alternate reality. Fuji in reality.

Out to Lunch
01-25-2017, 09:47
Even though I am happy with Fuji, in relation to the Leica M it's comparing apples and pears.

f16sunshine
01-25-2017, 09:48
Neither...


+1
Finally a chance to 100% agree with Jaapv :D

jsrockit
01-25-2017, 12:18
Even though I am happy with Fuji, in relation to the Leica M it's comparing apples and pears.

Not a comparison, just reality for me. Both are awesome.

Emile de Leon
01-25-2017, 12:39
I'll wait..nothing for now..

sepiareverb
01-25-2017, 13:42
If only a titanium Leica M10 were available.

Just wait.


...no sensor corrosion...

Just wait.

uhoh7
01-25-2017, 19:03
Neither...
You and Puts totally agree on that one, Mr 240 :)
I think you will weaken eventually ;)

What does M9 Titan really weigh? I'm surprised Esparzo was so far off, and I also saw a spec sheet with 330 grams listed....

Did it just come in much heavier than they first planned?

If it's true the Titan is about M9 weight (or more), I would take M10 myself, for sure. I also did not realize it had no strap lugs. Gorgeous thing, though. Many little differences.

I'm surprised you are a strong 240 defender, though I know you love the camera. Are you shooting video alot, or is it the battery?