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froyd
10-12-2016, 07:53
....some people pay extra for cameras unblemished by logos, and then go to ebay and buy this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-Leitz-Logo-Decor-Decoration-Vinyl-Decal-replacement-M-M-D-262-240-246-MP-L-/152236980841?hash=item237207fa69:g:nYgAAOSwvg9Xe~5 U).

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SCsAAOSw-KFXe~48/s-l500.jpg

De gustibus non est disputandum!

...Still, I wonder if the keepers rate would improve dramatically after applying the logo to some FSU beauty.

unixrevolution
10-12-2016, 10:42
A rose by any other name.

And I am sure there are other benefits to that particular Leica beyond the lack of logos.

Isn't there?

Ken Ford
10-12-2016, 10:46
I wouldn't object to a Leica logo being used on M bodies if it looked like this! The red dot is too garish for my tastes, which is why I replaced it with black on my M6. I'm not going to add anything to my M-P, though...

scigeek
10-13-2016, 02:16
My M6 is black-taped front and top.
Expectations for perfect shots every time are lowered, and I'm just more comfortable using the camera like that.

mod2001
10-13-2016, 02:41
2 month ago a guy sold a Fuji X100T in the German DSLR forum, modified with a red Leica logo :bang: he got so many **** storm PN's that he finally deleted the photo in the advertisement :D Taped cameras are somehow the other side of this spectrum, understandable if you're a professional working in a war zone, but at home? Where is the sense? Because the only sense I can imagine is against thieves, but there its absolut useless, a professional sees directly what kind of camera you use, tape does not help there. Its kind of taping the Ferrari logo on a 488 in the hope nobody steels you car then. Best is taping a Leica Q and then put it in a brand new chocolate leathered Billingham Bradley bag, really clever, saw this a few weeks ago here in BCN.

On the other hand, I would most probably tape a Sony camera or a car from Honda so I better stop judging :rolleyes:

Red dot, black dot or no dot is for me more a design issue and a different story.

Yogi

Ko.Fe.
10-13-2016, 06:37
Just as reminder. HCB did covered his M3 with black tape.

mod2001
10-13-2016, 07:37
Just as reminder. HCB did covered his M3 with black tape.

Then you know for sure the reason too, thats a different story than taping logos or brand names, still can't see there any reason to do so except the one I wrote before or that amateurs want to look like professionals, was a kind of hype a few years ago.

Yogi

Huss
10-13-2016, 07:50
Just as reminder. HCB did covered his M3 with black tape.

It's because he wished he had a grip on it and the tape made it easier/more grippy to hold.

Huss
10-13-2016, 07:52
....some people pay extra for cameras unblemished by logos, and then go to ebay and buy this (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Leica-Leitz-Logo-Decor-Decoration-Vinyl-Decal-replacement-M-M-D-262-240-246-MP-L-/152236980841?hash=item237207fa69:g:nYgAAOSwvg9Xe~5 U).

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/SCsAAOSw-KFXe~48/s-l500.jpg



Thanks for the link, order placed.

css9450
10-13-2016, 08:10
2 month ago a guy sold a Fuji X100T in the German DSLR forum, modified with a red Leica logo ...

Soon as I get home, I'm taping over the Sony logo on my little A6000 and replacing it with a red Leica logo. It'll be awesome!

Ko.Fe.
10-13-2016, 08:35
Then you know for sure the reason too, thats a different story than taping logos or brand names, still can't see there any reason to do so except the one I wrote before or that amateurs want to look like professionals, was a kind of hype a few years ago.

Yogi

I covered red logo and white letters for stealthy reasons on black consumer DSLR.
If amateur wants to look pro with his consumer DSLR the grip is added.

Ko.



It's because he wished he had a grip on it and the tape made it easier/more grippy to hold.

Nope. It was for stealthy reason. According to the interview I have read.
Same reason the logo is covered on black cameras.

scigeek
10-13-2016, 10:08
Me? I don't like the showy red Leica logo. My M6 now looks nondescript - good.

froyd
10-13-2016, 10:59
Thanks for the link, order placed.

Good move! I don't think the ad had the disclaimer that the camera in the picture is not included with the sale of the decal. Maybe you'll get a nice surprise in the mail :)

Huss
10-13-2016, 11:10
Good move! I don't think the ad had the disclaimer that the camera in the picture is not included with the sale of the decal. Maybe you'll get a nice surprise in the mail :)

I'll toss that icky digital camera and peel off the sticker to put on my MDa!

Godfrey
10-13-2016, 12:40
You folks are funny. :-)

G

roscoetuff
04-04-2017, 20:20
DAG sells black dots to replace the red dots. Is a black dot lower key? Sure it is. Does red stand out on a black camera? Sure. Screams "I'm a RED DOT! Look at me!" I bought my M4-2 because it had no red dot... and the price was sweet for trying an RF. After it passed the test and the handheld meter was beginning to wear out some of its welcome, I bought a black M6 TTL... and a black dot.

Steve M.
04-05-2017, 00:00
The thing is, 99.999% of people have absolutely no idea what this red dot, black dot stuff means. Personally, I always thought it was excess paranoia to worry about the dot since no one I ever met cared. But some camera owners apparently do.

Only once in my entire life did anyone remark on a Leica camera I owned, and that was actually an R body (R5 w/ an R 90 Summicron, and that sure was a fine lens). That camera had L E I C A written on it in big letters, so that alone, red dot or no, was like an advertisement. The gentleman that commented on it happened to teach a photography course at a local college, and his comment was more about running around w/ a $1200 set up slung over my shoulder than the perceived status or quality. For what it's worth, that thing had some serious shutter lag, along w/ a mirror that went "whomp", so when I finally gave up on R bodies and put my Summicron on a $20 Nikon N8008s, my keeper hit rate improved dramatically by getting away from a Leica camera.

Brian Atherton
04-05-2017, 00:31
Soon as I get home, I'm taping over the Sony logo on my little A6000 and replacing it with a red Leica logo. It'll be awesome!

A while back I did the same thing… taped over my Volkswagen’s logos and replaced them with Rolls Royce ones.

Car goes faster but the mpg is way down. :D

mani
04-05-2017, 00:34
I bought two of DAG's black dots (one spare) for my black paint M6 - but never could get the original red dot off the darn thing. :o

Even if I don't like the red dot much, putting black tape over it would feel like I was suffering from some sort of Magnum-aspiration delusion.

Roger Hicks
04-05-2017, 01:10
The thing is, 99.999% of people have absolutely no idea what this red dot, black dot stuff means. Personally, I always thought it was excess paranoia to worry about the dot since no one I ever met cared. But some camera owners apparently do. . .. . .
Dear Steve,

My feelings too. On the other hand, the red dot is just plain UGLY.

Cheers,

R.

k__43
04-05-2017, 01:35
both my M6 and M9 have black electrical tape.
sorry .. but the red dot is too much and the big white engravings waaay too shiny. I didn't wanted to paint it over for resale value.

Brian Atherton
04-05-2017, 03:51
...My feelings too. On the other hand, the red dot is just plain UGLY.

My feeling, too. This is why I tape over mine, not because I think it draws undue attention.

It's like a zit on the face of the Mona Lisa.

css9450
04-05-2017, 04:40
We have a Leica surveying scope here in the office. I know its a Leica because it has the red dot on it.

What else does Leica make? Microscopes? Optical equipment for medical use? I wonder if all those surveyors, doctors and scientists who use Leica equipment tape over the red dot too.

sara
04-05-2017, 04:43
I don't mind the logos etc. I bought the camera because I wanted I needed to bloody use it lol!

JoeV
04-05-2017, 07:46
Black electrical tape or black gaffers tape? If I had a Leica it'd be the gaff tape for certain!

css9450
04-05-2017, 08:13
Black electrical tape or black gaffers tape? If I had a Leica it'd be the gaff tape for certain!

Silver duct tape probably works well on the chrome bodies.

leicapixie
04-05-2017, 09:26
What is point of buying a Leica, if you cannot be proud of it!
I have met other owners, becoming dear friends because of use of a Leica. It is a special camera, so different in usage than SLR or DSLR.
Taping a silly idea. Thieves know what a "Leica" is. My M3 was taped at one stage, being chrome and shiny, in "places of stormy history". :D
Now simply not worth doing, vulcanite peeling off. Chrome worn to brass.
Even my M6TTL not in pristine condition. Used and used.
So to those who envy us owners, save up and buy one!:angel:

BlackXList
04-05-2017, 14:00
I tape or fill logos on most of my cameras, solely because the stark contrast can be eyecatching.

I'm a big guy, so I don't become magically invisible thanks to a bit of tape, but it's the kind of thing that catches my eye, so I'm assuming it can for others.

ChrisPlatt
04-05-2017, 14:17
In the late 1950's many Japanese 35mm rangefinder brands
had some variation of the red dot for their company logo...

Chris

Doug
04-05-2017, 17:17
In the late 1950's many Japanese 35mm rangefinder brands
had some variation of the red dot for their company logo...

Chris
True, Chris! Yet Leica is fairly well-known now for that red dot, and passers-by who see my M Leica are not likely to think, "oh, that guy is carrying a Petrie!" :D OTOH, if I were carrying my Petrie 7s, someone might mistake it for a Leica...?

seajak
04-05-2017, 23:29
I've always had my M6 taped, going right back to 1987 when I spent 6 months in India just after I'd bought it. Then I had every bit of metal covered in gaffer tape, those were the days when a Leica was an investment. Looked like a piece of garbage but it stayed with me when lots of people I'd met had their cameras stolen. Since then I've always had the red dot and the white printing taped over. Not for security but because I like the look of the camera better that way. The M2, M3 and early M4 had nothing on the front and I think look much nicer as a result. However, I've just filled the white lettering with a black grease pen and have a black dot coming from DAG so I can go without tape. BTW I filled in the X-E1 with the same pencil and it also looks so much better.

cheer,
clay

DanskDynamit
04-06-2017, 00:57
why do you care about what others do to their cameras? is your life that poor?
let people do whatever they want with their stuff, I think covering logos is silly but I really don't care if the whole world does it.

...and don't forget, even Leica added their logos to cameras that were not even german.
http://www.l-camera-forum.com/leica-wiki.en/images/thumb/6/63/CL-top.jpg/400px-CL-top.jpg

Roger Hicks
04-06-2017, 02:39
My feeling, too. This is why I tape over mine, not because I think it draws undue attention.

It's like a zit on the face of the Mona Lisa.
Dear Brian,

A lovely analogy! Looking at the Leicas on my desk (don't ask -- a friend died and I'm supposed to be getting rid of them for his daughter) the dot on the face of the M4-P is if anything even uglier than the ones on the top housings of the M6 and M9.

Cheers,

R.

Brian Atherton
04-06-2017, 03:25
...A lovely analogy! Looking at the Leicas on my desk (don't ask -- a friend died and I'm supposed to be getting rid of them for his daughter) the dot on the face of the M4-P is if anything even uglier than the ones on the top housings of the M6 and M9.

Agreed, Roger!

Compared to other ‘Red Dot Leicas’ I’ve always thought that the red dot on my Leica M4-P was particularly idiotically placed, since when using the camera, it’s covered by one’s hand – likewise by a half-case – thereby defeating Leica's brand awareness advertising (sorry, advertising speak, a legacy of my long since gone paid employment; I’m receiving treatment).

Pfreddee
04-06-2017, 04:53
If you live in the woods and take photos out in the countryside....

With best regards,

Pfreddee(Stephen)

jsrockit
04-06-2017, 05:31
Never cared about this.

jsrockit
04-06-2017, 05:43
It's just that I was out just yesterday and I was using a silver Fujifilm X100F. Many mistake this for a Leica even though it doesn't have any logos. Camera geeks and fashion people will notice, but nobody else cares at all. I think people notice a 6' 2" bald man more than a small camera when doing street photography up close. There are betters ways to be discrete. However, if it is a matter of aesthetics, then ok. Even then, I think logos generally look better than tape.

Phil_F_NM
04-06-2017, 10:01
Really, the logo is there for the owner to look at and stroke it a la Gollum "my precious."

The notion of being a photographer in a combat zone and covering a logo would make the difference between getting shot or not is complete BS. But if folks think it makes a difference and the magical tape protects you, then perhaps it is the psychosomatic at work.

One old combat photographer I knew out in Iraq used a Nikon D1 and a chrome F2. No tape on either. He got out just fine. Personally, I used a Nikon D2H and two chrome Leica M bodies. The Leicas didn't have logos as they were M2 and M4. I got shot at so much that I can't count the times. Maybe I didn't go far enough and should have taped my Leicas with dymo or electrical tape. The real reason was probably that I was dressed in US camo, therefore a legitimate target. Add to this the fact that if someone shoots through that red dot, then they are just messing with you and they were going to kill you anyways. Not to mention, they are a world class sniper. If you don't want to get shot in a combat zone, don't use a flash and don't be a smoker. After that, everything is fair game these days.

This is just so much ridiculous drivel. Taping a camera does not make it invisible. It makes the camera a more obvious personalized fashion accessory. Your body language and comfort in-situ are what make the camera less visible.

Phil Forrest

Roger Hicks
04-06-2017, 10:12
Really, the logo is there for the owner to look at and stroke it a la Gollum "my precious."

The notion of being a photographer in a combat zone and covering a logo would make the difference between getting shot or not is complete BS. But if folks think it makes a difference and the magical tape protects you, then perhaps it is the psychosomatic at work.

One old combat photographer I knew out in Iraq used a Nikon D1 and a chrome F2. No tape on either. He got out just fine. Personally, I used a Nikon D2H and two chrome Leica M bodies. The Leicas didn't have logos as they were M2 and M4. I got shot at so much that I can't count the times. Maybe I didn't go far enough and should have taped my Leicas with dymo or electrical tape. The real reason was probably that I was dressed in US camo, therefore a legitimate target. Add to this the fact that if someone shoots through that red dot, then they are just messing with you and they were going to kill you anyways. Not to mention, they are a world class sniper. If you don't want to get shot in a combat zone, don't use a flash and don't be a smoker. After that, everything is fair game these days.

This is just so much ridiculous drivel. Taping a camera does not make it invisible. It makes the camera a more obvious personalized fashion accessory. Your body language and comfort in-situ are what make the camera less visible.

Phil Forrest
Deasr Phil,

Absolutely. Which is why I say that my only objection to the red dot is that it is bloody ugly, i.e. that it offends MY aesthetic sense.

Cheers,

R.

Phil_F_NM
04-06-2017, 10:21
...Which is why I say that my only objection to the red dot is that it is bloody ugly, i.e. that it offends MY aesthetic sense.

Cheers,

R.

Roger,
The "bindi" is indeed unsightly. I had the ostentatious one in my old M4P removed and covered with new body leather. Camera looked fantastic.

Phil Forrest

Roger Hicks
04-06-2017, 11:07
Roger,
The "bindi" is indeed unsightly. I had the ostentatious one in my old M4P removed and covered with new body leather. Camera looked fantastic.

Phil Forrest
Dear Phil,

We need a "like" button.

Cheers,

R.

Leica All Day
04-06-2017, 11:37
Interesting topic....While some put tape to cover up their dot or replace the red dot with a black, while others pay extra to have the top plate of an mp/m7 engraved when they do ala carte :)

I admit, at one point, I taped over my red dot, then removed it some time later....I also replaced the red dot on my black paint m6ttl to black....now, i could care less. The original red dot on my chrome m6ttl is about only 30% red, the rest of the paint has worn off due to natural wear, and the black fill in paint on the m6ttl has also been removed from natural wear too.

To each their own, but I agree with the above comments, I don't feel it matters at all as far as getting noticed goes, body language and "style" will go A LOT further as far as getting the photos you want.

cheers, michael

froyd
04-06-2017, 12:17
We have a Leica surveying scope here in the office. I know its a Leica because it has the red dot on it.

What else does Leica make? Microscopes? Optical equipment for medical use? I wonder if all those surveyors, doctors and scientists who use Leica equipment tape over the red dot too.

Interesting point. I would guess that taping up the logo is an affectation peculiar to photographers as opposed to scientific/technical Leica equipment users.

froyd
04-06-2017, 12:23
Too bad the ebay link in the OP got replaced by Viglink. That picture was priceless. Let me try to re-link it.

http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/28kAAOSwdU1W8-H0/s-l500.jpg

Roger Hicks
04-06-2017, 12:50
What is point of buying a Leica, if you cannot be proud of it!
I have met other owners, becoming dear friends because of use of a Leica. It is a special camera, so different in usage than SLR or DSLR.
Taping a silly idea. Thieves know what a "Leica" is. My M3 was taped at one stage, being chrome and shiny, in "places of stormy history". :D
Now simply not worth doing, vulcanite peeling off. Chrome worn to brass.
Even my M6TTL not in pristine condition. Used and used.
So to those who envy us owners, save up and buy one!:angel:
Surely the real point of buying a Leica is to take pictures with it. It's only a camera, for heaven's sake. Why would any sane person be proud of something any fool could buy if they had enough money?

Forty years ago I was proud of spotting/buying cameras that were historically significant (far from all of them Leicas) but the mere fact of owning a run of the mill Leica is hardly any reason for pride.

Cheers,

R.

Roger Hicks
04-06-2017, 12:52
Interesting point. I would guess that taping up the logo is an affectation peculiar to photographers as opposed to scientific/technical Leica equipment users.
Well, yes. Who is EVER going to notice a Leitz theodolite? Even fewer people than notice Leica cameras.

Cheers,

R.

theblackbrick
04-08-2017, 16:00
Well, just to add my two cents ...

Thieves are very aware of what the red dot means in $. Trust me the do their due diligence and make sure they know what is worth to steal. Now, they are not stupid and tape is not going to fool anybody.

Stealthiness ... Like somebody said before, body language is way more important than dots and tapes.

In my particular case, I tape my cameras, not only Leica but Fuji too and in the past even my Nikon. Reasons behind it. With the Nikon it was more of a practical reason, i didn't want the pop up flash on my D700 to pop by accident. Fuji X100T, I taped the top plate where is says Fujinon blah blah, just because I didn't like it; and the bottom plate to cover the speaker grid to protect it from water, dust, ... With my M4-2 (no red dot on that camera) I taped all the Leica/Leitz branding for the same reason I taped the Fuji, I just don't like it. I guess I like my cameras as plain as possible, no branding or anything. But that is a purely aesthetic reason.
I recently bought a M262 used and the previous owner replaced the red dot for a black one, he included the original red dot too, but I'm not going to change it back. I haven't taped yet the black one because I kind of like the cleanliness of the camera like that all black but the little silver leica brand in the dot is kind of annoying me so I might end up taping it or just painting it black. Like I said before is all pure aesthetics, i like my cameras as plain looking as possible.

So I'm not going to tell anyone to tape or not their cameras. You do you. Whatever you like is fine with me.