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cole
05-09-2016, 03:28
Hi all,

I finished an article this weekend which is in part a review of the M262, mixed in with a bit of general discussion about Leica and rangefinder photography.

Itís accompanied by a bunch of my recent photographs taken with the 262, and a few older photos taken with the film Ms I used to have.

If youíre interested: https://colepeters.exposure.co/coming-home-to-the-leica-m

Cheers!

squirrel$$$bandit
05-09-2016, 03:37
Nice piece, and really good pictures!

jaapv
05-09-2016, 04:14
Nice, thanks - BTW, I can confirm the bullet story. the camera in question is in Wetzlar.

Godfrey
05-09-2016, 07:55
Nice piece, Cole.

It's fun to reflect on how different cameras affect us and change what we see, how we see, and the photographs we make. There's definitely an influence when using an M, or an SWC, or a particular DSLR. I'm finding it with the SL too.

It all makes doing photography richer. :-)

G

Out to Lunch
05-09-2016, 08:11
I have enjoyed reading your review on this much too cold and dreary Monday evening. This said, now that the screen less M-D typ 262 is out, would you be tempted with this next step in minimization?

cole
05-09-2016, 08:15
Thanks for the kind words, all ó glad itís providing some enjoyment!

cole
05-09-2016, 08:15
Nice, thanks - BTW, I can confirm the bullet story. the camera in question is in Wetzlar.

Wow, really! I thought it was the stuff of legend. Do you have more information on this?

cole
05-09-2016, 08:18
This said, now that the screen less M-D typ 262 is out, would you be tempted with this next step in minimization?

I think the M-D is interesting, but what gets me is that it's more expensive than the M262, despite being the same camera minus the LCD screen. Leica have pulled some bold moves in their time, but this one is too much for me. ;)

Having said that, Iím holding out for getting a Monochrom some day. Iím loving the 262, but being a B&W purist, the Monochrom gets me all kinds of excited.

Bill Clark
05-09-2016, 08:31
Hi Cole,

Took a quick peek at your web site and I believe you have built a beautiful place to visit your photography.

I bookmarked it and will look more in depth at your view of the world. Yes, I like how black and white tells a story in a photograph. Sometimes color can be distracting to what you're trying to accomplish.

Keep it up, your work is wonderful.

Thanks Cole.

Godfrey
05-09-2016, 09:02
I think the M-D is interesting, but what gets me is that it's more expensive than the M262, despite being the same camera minus the LCD screen. Leica have pulled some bold moves in their time, but this one is too much for me. ;)

Having said that, Iím holding out for getting a Monochrom some day. Iím loving the 262, but being a B&W purist, the Monochrom gets me all kinds of excited.

Despite the similarities, there are some pretty hefty costs in producing the M-D. The M-D262 increased price comes from new castings, new firmware development, and expected lower sales volume. Much like the MM246 price premium in this respectóthe expected lower sales volume against the cost of development pushes prices up to maintain profitability.

They're all good cameras built to the same quality standards. Prices vary based on cost of development and market factors more so than on specific feature inclusion.

cole
05-09-2016, 09:09
Despite the similarities, there are some pretty hefty costs in producing the M-D. The M-D262 increased price comes from new castings, new firmware development, and expected lower sales volume. Much like the MM246 price premium in this respectóthe expected lower sales volume against the cost of development pushes prices up to maintain profitability.

They're all good cameras built to the same quality standards. Prices vary based on cost of development and market factors more so than on specific feature inclusion.

That makes a lot of sense. Thanks for clearing this up. :)

cole
05-09-2016, 09:11
Hi Cole,

Took a quick peek at your web site and I believe you have built a beautiful place to visit your photography.

I bookmarked it and will look more in depth at your view of the world. Yes, I like how black and white tells a story in a photograph. Sometimes color can be distracting to what you're trying to accomplish.

Keep it up, your work is wonderful.

Thanks Cole.

Wow! Thanks for the wonderful feedback, Bill. Thatís really touching, and great to hear ó the kind of thing that helps keep the batteries running. Thanks again, and all the best.

Ruhayat
05-09-2016, 09:22
I think the M-D is interesting, but what gets me is that it's more expensive than the M262, despite being the same camera minus the LCD screen. Leica have pulled some bold moves in their time, but this one is too much for me. ;)

Not to mention that one would think removing the LCD would have made the body thinner and lighter. Leica moves in a different physical world.

I enjoyed your review. I have been thinking of getting either the 262 or Q.

marcr1230
05-09-2016, 13:18
nice writing Cole, thanks!

BillBingham2
05-09-2016, 14:59
Very well done Cole. Brings together the feeling and tech just enough without going too far down either rabbit hole.

Congrats on the move and the great work.

B2 (;->

airfrogusmc
05-09-2016, 15:48
Nice Cole though I do think it is just a touch heavier than say the M-E/M9.

Congrats. I love my 262 but for B&W ya gotta pick up an MM. The original MM is selling for a decent price now days.

Enjoyed the work very much...

Godfrey
05-09-2016, 16:38
Not to mention that one would think removing the LCD would have made the body thinner and lighter. Leica moves in a different physical world.
...

This has been treated over in the Leica M-D threads, but the bottom line is that the thickness of the digital M body can only vary a couple of millimeters at most due to the lens/lens mount geometry, the rangefinder mechanism, and the thickness of the body casting and sensor assembly.

The LCD hangs off the back of the body and barely adds more than 2mm to its thickness when present (basically, half its thickness is the thickness of the body's leatherette covering). It also weighs less than 10 grams.

Unless Leica chooses to radically reengineer the rangefinder, puts the lens mount on a pedestal, and sensor assemblies become paper thin, the M is likely going to stay pretty much the way it is with respect to size and weight. No problem for me: I like the feel of the typ 240/246/262 models even more than my M4-2, which feels a bit thin and cramped by comparison.

squirrel$$$bandit
05-09-2016, 16:51
If you love the thinner Ms and want a digital camera that feels similar, try the Q.

maggieo
05-09-2016, 17:50
You've got one hell of a fine eye, Cole!

And I feel the exact same way as you describe about my M9-P.

Brian Atherton
05-10-2016, 01:54
Thank you for sharing your review and experiences of the M Typ 262, Cole.

I enjoyed seeing familiar parts of my town through your eyes up close and personal in black and white with 28mm; so different to how I see London.

Loved the shot of your dad in Caffť Nero in Holborn; it’s a small world, I’ve sat in the very same seat!

Thanks for brightening up a wet, dreary day.

cole
05-10-2016, 03:53
Thanks again everyone for the warm feedback. Iím touched, and glad the article and images are finding some enjoyment.

cole
05-10-2016, 03:59
Unless Leica chooses to radically reengineer the rangefinder, puts the lens mount on a pedestal, and sensor assemblies become paper thin, the M is likely going to stay pretty much the way it is with respect to size and weight. No problem for me: I like the feel of the typ 240/246/262 models even more than my M4-2, which feels a bit thin and cramped by comparison.

I have to agree on this ó Iíve gotten quite used to the extra depth of the 262 over the M7 and M2 I used to have. I wouldnít complain if it was just a few mmís thinner, but Iím also not bothered by it. Itís still infinitely smaller than any other digital camera Iíd consider picking up, and if making the body thinner would mean lens mount pedestals, count me out! :)

cole
05-10-2016, 04:10
Yummy, Thanks for that Cole ... Enjoyed it very much !

Some of the photos were a tad too 'overprocessed' for my taste
but the Composition and Mood were Divine

nothing like an M... rangefinders for me is the only way to shoot !

Thanks, Helen; totally understandable about the processing, Iíve always liked pretty extreme tonality, even when I was making wet prints in my home darkroom. Itís not for everyone. Glad you enjoyed the compositions and mood.

cole
05-10-2016, 04:11
I enjoyed seeing familiar parts of my town through your eyes up close and personal in black and white with 28mm; so different to how I see London.

Loved the shot of your dad in Caffť Nero in Holborn; itís a small world, Iíve sat in the very same seat!

Thanks for brightening up a wet, dreary day.

Small world indeed! I also love seeing how other people shoot the same locations, really interesting to see how others interpret their surroundings.

jaapv
05-10-2016, 10:39
This has been treated over in the Leica M-D threads, but the bottom line is that the thickness of the digital M body can only vary a couple of millimeters at most due to the lens/lens mount geometry, the rangefinder mechanism, and the thickness of the body casting and sensor assembly.

The LCD hangs off the back of the body and barely adds more than 2mm to its thickness when present (basically, half its thickness is the thickness of the body's leatherette covering). It also weighs less than 10 grams.

Unless Leica chooses to radically reengineer the rangefinder, puts the lens mount on a pedestal, and sensor assemblies become paper thin, the M is likely going to stay pretty much the way it is with respect to size and weight. No problem for me: I like the feel of the typ 240/246/262 models even more than my M4-2, which feels a bit thin and cramped by comparison.Couldn't agree more.

eujin
05-11-2016, 23:53
Very nicely written and love your images. It's funny, I have an MM and love shooting it so much that I find myself wanting an M that can shoot color (not counting my film camera) — this despite the fact that I have non-Leicas that shoot color.

fireblade
05-12-2016, 00:57
A very enjoyable read Cole. Cheers.

Nelson Tan
05-12-2016, 01:41
Enjoyed reading the review. Thanks for sharing!

cole
05-12-2016, 09:07
Thanks, everyone.

Very nicely written and love your images. It's funny, I have an MM and love shooting it so much that I find myself wanting an M that can shoot color (not counting my film camera) ó this despite the fact that I have non-Leicas that shoot color.

Well, you know, Leicas do love working in pairsÖ ;)

Ruffmeister
05-15-2016, 13:13
Great post and fantastic images. I love the Regents Park shot especially.

MCTuomey
05-15-2016, 13:52
Great post and fantastic images. I love the Regents Park shot especially.

+1 great eye and voice, cole

cole
05-16-2016, 07:36
+1 great eye and voice, cole


Thanks to both of you. :)

jaapv
05-16-2016, 10:40
Nice article here. Just a note: not all Leica Ms are assembled in Germany; many of them are done in Villa Nova de Familicao, Portugal :)Actually they are all assembled in Wetzlar, many of the sub-assemblies come from Portugal, though.