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slight
01-01-2016, 10:39
The primary reason I gave up on photography for the past four years is I'm a fetishist; I worshiped this camera rather than shooting what has to be shot. I realized fetishism is the primary enemy of my life and all my life was either occupied earning money preparing to buy or spending the money to actually buy, this gets me to nowhere.

This fetishism is encouraged by consumer culture and various ads. Leica exploits people's dream of becoming a great photographer to push new products.

I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now.

FrankS
01-01-2016, 11:19
Okay then! :)

nobbylon
01-01-2016, 11:21
I don't think it will trouble them to be honest. I'd wager 80% or even more of members here have never bought anything new Leica. We're not the target market.
As far as consumer goods go the same can be said for everything that's dangled in front of us. The only way out is to go and live in a cave and never browse the internet ever again.

btgc
01-01-2016, 11:22
I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now.

Very wise. You'll be able to wear out your Leica kit if you use it hard and thus have full satisfaction from money you've spent. Sounds reasonable.

Ko.Fe.
01-04-2016, 20:40
Very strange. I checked my M4-2, where is no logo, just camera.

maddoc
01-04-2016, 20:45
Very strange. I checked my M4-2, where is no logo, just camera.

The M4-2 with red "Leica" logo are indeed rare and expensive.

35mmdelux
01-04-2016, 20:54
The only logo I never liked was on my M4-P. However the camera made me a fair amount of cash and so I "dealt" with it. My truly big expense, that dwarfed buying Leicas, came from women and that got me nowhere. But it was fun.

Keith
01-04-2016, 20:55
Leica only appeals to the would be photographers with their marketing strategy in the same way BMW etc appeals to the would be so called skillful drivers. And lets face it, most of the drivers of these high speed great handling top end cars would be better off with a Toyota Corolla or similar because from what I've seen few of them can drive at a level that justifies the expense. :D

Ko.Fe.
01-04-2016, 20:56
The M4-2 with red "Leica" logo are indeed rare and expensive.

Depends on income. My logo and vulcanite less M4-2 was very expensive...

sara
01-04-2016, 21:08
I'm not into cars or designer bags or whatever normal women buy with their husband's credit card, but I bought a Leica because I was taught photography at uni by a tutor who loved Leica and showed me the ropes.

In fact, I don't think it was an ad or anything I saw which "tempted" me. It's for the love of photography (and really good lenses), but to be honest, it can be done with a non-Leica camera.

35mmdelux
01-04-2016, 21:19
Leica only appeals to the would be photographers with their marketing strategy in the same way BMW etc appeals to the would be so called skillful drivers. And lets face it, most of the drivers of these high speed great handling top end cars would be better off with a Toyota Corolla or similar because from what I've seen few of them can drive at a level that justifies the expense. :D

HCB/Kertesz created their great works with far less quality than many of us routinely use. Having said this, my Leica gear did motivate me to shoot moments that I would not otherwise have captured.

Michael Markey
01-04-2016, 23:54
The primary reason I gave up on photography for the past four years is I'm a fetishist; I worshiped this camera rather than shooting what has to be shot. I realized fetishism is the primary enemy of my life and all my life was either occupied earning money preparing to buy or spending the money to actually buy, this gets me to nowhere.

This fetishism is encouraged by consumer culture and various ads. Leica exploits people's dream of becoming a great photographer to push new products.

I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now.


I`m sure that you`ll find something else ... plenty of stuff to choose from.

MickH
01-05-2016, 03:00
I`m sure that you`ll find something else ... plenty of stuff to choose from.

Now there's another problem!

Michael Markey
01-05-2016, 03:05
Now there's another problem!

Its called self control Mick ...you must remember :D

mfogiel
01-05-2016, 03:09
https://keimena11.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/erich-fromm-to-have-or-to-be-1976.pdf

Bille
01-05-2016, 03:26
I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now.

Good to know.

ian_watts
01-05-2016, 03:39
I'd wager 80% or even more of members here have never bought anything new Leica.

I'd be very surprised if that was the case but I'm not confident enough to accept the wager.:)

kshapero
01-05-2016, 03:44
"I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now."
What is THIS camera?

ian_watts
01-05-2016, 03:48
This fetishism is encouraged by consumer culture and various ads. Leica exploits people's dream of becoming a great photographer to push new products.

You can hardly blame the company for marketing its products as effectively as possible. Selling a dream or lifestyle is a standard marketing approach as old as the hills and consumers are free to buy into or not.

Besides Leica still makes some very fine cameras and lenses. Not everyone buying the products is necessarily a total chump.

icebear
01-05-2016, 04:16
Just get some black tape and get over over it ;)

fireblade
01-05-2016, 04:39
The primary reason I gave up on photography for the past four years is I'm a fetishist; I worshiped this camera rather than shooting what has to be shot. I realized fetishism is the primary enemy of my life and all my life was either occupied earning money preparing to buy or spending the money to actually buy, this gets me to nowhere.
This fetishism is encouraged by consumer culture and various ads. Leica exploits people's dream of becoming a great photographer to push new products.
I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now.


"I don't like the drugs but the drugs like me"....Marilyn Manson.

telenous
01-05-2016, 04:45
It gets really weird when you love the logo but hate the camera.

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squirrel$$$bandit
01-05-2016, 05:48
I'm not into cars or designer bags or whatever normal women buy with their husband's credit card, but I bought a Leica because I was taught photography at uni by a tutor who loved Leica and showed me the ropes.

In fact, I don't think it was an ad or anything I saw which "tempted" me. It's for the love of photography (and really good lenses), but to be honest, it can be done with a non-Leica camera.

I think the primary reason everyone on here loves Leica cameras is because of what they are, not what they supposedly represent. If used Leica gear were around the same price as, say, used Pentax gear, I doubt everybody would drift off to find something more premium to be into. Rangefinder cameras are different from other cameras, and if that's what you dig, Leica's the only game in town.

I like the idea of being tutored in photography with anything besides an SLR—that must have been an interesting experience.

Bille
01-05-2016, 06:06
I think the primary reason everyone on here loves Leica cameras is because of what they are

or what they were

jsrockit
01-05-2016, 06:26
Rangefinder cameras are different from other cameras, and if that's what you dig, Leica's the only game in town.

In digital yes, in film no... but I still like Leica best when I want a RF.

taemo
01-05-2016, 06:30
makes you think though, realistically only half of the Leica M RF cameras have the red dot in them
M4-P
M6
M6TTL
M7
M8
M9
M240

M3,M2,M4,M5,MP,MA, Monochrome doesn't have them

i hate the flashy red dot as well, fortunately all the Leica that I've owned either have no dots or has been changed to black.

Timmyjoe
01-05-2016, 07:14
I was familiar with and had been shooting Canon and Nikon SLR's for a couple of decades back in the early 1990's, but knew little about Leica. I had the opportunity to attend the Photo Show at Jacob Javitts in New York in 1993, and wandered past a smaller sized booth that was Leica at the time. I picked up an M6 with a 50 cron, and it was love. The way the camera felt in my hands, the brightness of the viewfinder, the silky smooth focus of the lens. Must have stood there for fifteen minutes, just holding the camera and focusing on everything in sight. Put it down and vowed that some day I'd own one of those.

It wasn't until after I had an M6TTL that I saw my first Leica advertisement, in the French PHOTO magazine. Then many years later I found this web site. I guess we all come to Leica from different paths. Not sure how many have been pulled in by their marketing, though it has been much more aggressive in the last decade or so.

Michael Markey
01-05-2016, 07:14
Was this indeed a "genuine" post ... it didn`t feel like it to me .
Started three days ago and yet no further contribution or elucidation from the OP.

splitimageview
01-05-2016, 07:20
Take the spare change leftover, and get some of this.

http://wisewomencoffeechat.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lucy_the_psychiatrist.jpg

Ruhayat
01-05-2016, 07:27
To open another tin of worms, I had the same feeling about Apple products 3 years ago. I have been happy with my dinky little Microsoft Surface for a year plus now. Before that I used to buy Apple laptops every year, especially when they were struggling on the brink of bankruptcy back in the day.

Then again, I buy a Leica not so much for the logo, but for the aesthetics. Aperture, shutter, ISO. Don't need much more than that. Less, even -- which is why the Leica R-E is still my all-time fave of the dozen Leicas I've owned. Too bad the electronics eventually died.

bmattock
01-05-2016, 07:32
The primary reason I gave up on photography for the past four years is I'm a fetishist; I worshiped this camera rather than shooting what has to be shot. I realized fetishism is the primary enemy of my life and all my life was either occupied earning money preparing to buy or spending the money to actually buy, this gets me to nowhere.


I am responding to this aspect of your post, rather than the anti-Leica statements that everyone else is latching onto. I suspect that others don't want to address this part, because it contains some truth.

Yes, many on the various photo forums are fetishists of a sort. They admire the mechanical aspects of the equipment they use, even over their utility as the tools they are designed to be. And a Leica is a good example of that sort of thing. These fetishists are the same kinds of people who enjoy owning fancy fountain pens, watches, cars, pocketknives, you name it. If it's mechanical and well-made and expensive and exclusive, there will certainly be a group of people who like the items not for what they do but for what they are.

And you have recognized, apparently, that you have that in your character makeup as well. You object to it.

I get that.

But you also seem to be blaming Leica for your decisions or your perceived inability to stop being 'fetishistic' about the camera. It's not the fault of the logo or the camera. That's all on you. But like a smoker who recognizes that smoking is a problem for them, it's good that you're taking action on it. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone has that same problem, or that they care if they do. There is nothing inherently immoral or wrong about liking an object for the object itself as opposed to for its utility or purpose.

jaapv
01-05-2016, 08:52
I don't think it will trouble them to be honest. I'd wager 80% or even more of members here have never bought anything new Leica. We're not the target market.
Possibly not, however, with Leica selling something like 30.000+ new M cameras per year, it may well be that this forum represents only a small niche within a niche.

f16sunshine
01-05-2016, 08:59
Possibly not, however, with Leica selling something like 30.000+ new M cameras per year, it may well be that this forum represents only a small niche within a niche.


The "USED Rangefinder Forum" ?

Oh well better that we use them.
I imagine a larger Niche within the Niche is the "Fondled and then placed back on the shelf niche" :D

jloden
01-05-2016, 09:03
[...]

Yes, many on the various photo forums are fetishists of a sort. They admire the mechanical aspects of the equipment they use, even over their utility as the tools they are designed to be. And a Leica is a good example of that sort of thing. These fetishists are the same kinds of people who enjoy owning fancy fountain pens, watches, cars, pocketknives, you name it. If it's mechanical and well-made and expensive and exclusive, there will certainly be a group of people who like the items not for what they do but for what they are.

[...]

But you also seem to be blaming Leica for your decisions or your perceived inability to stop being 'fetishistic' about the camera. It's not the fault of the logo or the camera. That's all on you. But like a smoker who recognizes that smoking is a problem for them, it's good that you're taking action on it. Just don't make the mistake of thinking that everyone has that same problem, or that they care if they do. There is nothing inherently immoral or wrong about liking an object for the object itself as opposed to for its utility or purpose.

Well put, and I have to agree with your sentiment on both counts. I certainly have a strong tendency or propensity to fixate on gear myself, cameras or otherwise. Though I'd argue it's actually for both what it does and what it is. I enjoy Leicas as fine craftsmanship, great tools, and even as beautiful machines. But I *also* appreciate rangefinders as a way of seeing and approaching photography, and I find them satisfying to use for their functional properties.

In my mind, the line gets crossed when you realize you enjoy the idea of a Leica (or any other tool), more than the reality of using it. I've been there more than once... buying new camping equipment thinking of all the adventures I'd use it on that never happened, or buying cameras or lenses for projects or "needs" that never materialize. I don't know if that's what the OP is feeling now, but I suspect I can relate on some level.

Speaking for myself, I know a big part of the driver for G.A.S. in general is that I have a day job and a family and many other commitments. Photography is a hobby and a passion all out of proportion to the amount of time I am able to devote to it. It's far easier to fixate on the gear, the aesthetic, or the history/myth/legend thereof than on making photographs. The ratio of time I spend reading, thinking, and talking about photography to the time I spend actually doing it is enormously lopsided. From that perspective. it's not hard to see why sp many of us can easily get caught up in the tools rather than the work... but they're also not mutually exclusive. Craftsmen or artists of any type can still appreciate fine tools, but hopefully just not to the detriment of actually producing work.

bmattock
01-05-2016, 09:55
Well put, and I have to agree with your sentiment on both counts.

Thanks!

I did want to comment on this, though:


In my mind, the line gets crossed when you realize you enjoy the idea of a Leica (or any other tool), more than the reality of using it.

Why is that a line? I happen to still enjoy owning a Zippo lighter, even though mine hasn't been used to light a cigarette since I quit smoking over ten years ago. I love the sound it makes when you open it and strike it.

First, how is that anyone's business but mine?

Second, so what if I do not use the lighter as it was intended to be used?

Third, where is this line and who gets to decide what it is?

I suspect you meant the line only exists for you, and applies only to you, and I absolutely agree with you in that case. I believe, however, that for whatever reason, people tend to confuse their own opinions that apply only to themselves, and the 'rules' that apply to everyone. Your line isn't mine, nor is mine yours, and they should not be universal.

jloden
01-05-2016, 10:35
[...]

I suspect you meant the line only exists for you, and applies only to you, and I absolutely agree with you in that case. I believe, however, that for whatever reason, people tend to confuse their own opinions that apply only to themselves, and the 'rules' that apply to everyone. Your line isn't mine, nor is mine yours, and they should not be universal.

Basically, yes in a nutshell... what I meant was for me personally at least, that's when I know I've crossed the line of appreciating something for its 'mystique' or what it represents, as opposed to simply for it's functional use as a tool. And I completely agree that it's wholly individual whether that's a "problem" or not. Sometimes I see that as a sign I should change something, sometimes I'm perfectly fine with simply embracing it.

For instance: I drink my coffee out of a titanium insulated camping mug because I miss having more time in the woods, not because only a Ti mug could stand up to the rigors of my daily coffee. Although with as many ceramic mugs as I've broken in the past 5 years, that might not be that far off from the truth! :p

Oh and funny side note - I have two Zippos neither of which I've used to light a fire, and I don't smoke. Somehow I love the idea of a Zippo but I always end up using something more practical ;)

bmattock
01-05-2016, 10:48
Oh and funny side note - I have two Zippos neither of which I've used to light a fire, and I don't smoke. Somehow I love the idea of a Zippo but I always end up using something more practical ;)

And there you have it! Thanks, interesting conversation!

I am sure that somewhere, there is a Zippo forum, with the occasional poster stating that anyone who doesn't smoke but owns a Zippo is a 'fondler' who isn't using the tool properly, and someone else insisting that anyone who owns more than X number of Zippos is a 'hoarder' because "how many Zippos does one person need anyway" and insisting that hoarding Zippos is a form of mental illness. Then there will be one guy who insists on 'One Zippo, One Cigarette, To Seek Purity,' and others will be cheering him on like he's an Enlightened Master. Because apparently this is what we humans feel compelled to do! :)

Huss
01-05-2016, 11:00
It gets really weird when you love the logo but hate the camera.

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I knew this girl once. Her name was Jennifer, or April, or was it Mary?
Either way I loved her name but could not stand her.
"Just whisper it to me" I would say on the phone. "But no, I don't want to see you"

When it rains, I sometimes think of her. Tell me am I crazy, or is this more than a crush? I guess we can blame it on the rain.

Huss
01-05-2016, 11:11
I'm sure that's true.

Just for laughs, though, I stuck a "Turbo" plate on the back of my 2005 Toyota Matrix hatchback, so now it's a Matrix Turbo. :D I love it, even though it's slow and handles like a bathtub, but it's gone 225,000 miles so far.

It must have taken a hell of a long time getting there.
:D

jloden
01-05-2016, 11:11
And there you have it! Thanks, interesting conversation!

I am sure that somewhere, there is a Zippo forum, with the occasional poster stating that anyone who doesn't smoke but owns a Zippo is a 'fondler' who isn't using the tool properly, and someone else insisting that anyone who owns more than X number of Zippos is a 'hoarder' because "how many Zippos does one person need anyway" and insisting that hoarding Zippos is a form of mental illness. Then there will be one guy who insists on 'One Zippo, One Cigarette, To Seek Purity,' and others will be cheering him on like he's an Enlightened Master. Because apparently this is what we humans feel compelled to do! :)

No doubt... I'd put money on it, haha :D

telenous
01-05-2016, 11:32
I knew this girl once. Her name was Jennifer, or April, or was it Mary?
Either way I loved her name but could not stand her.
"Just whisper it to me" I would say on the phone. "But no, I don't want to see you"

When it rains, I sometimes think of her. Tell me am I crazy, or is this more than a crush? I guess we can blame it on the rain.

Typical onomatolagnia. Not to worry though. The good news is that it's not dangerous. The bad news is the cure involves refraining from using names for a period of time. Especially when it rains. :p



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Huss
01-05-2016, 11:57
Yep - I've driven it every day since August 2004. I think I'll keep it. :)

The automotive equivalence of self flagellation.

;)

slight
01-09-2016, 10:42
Hello everyone.

It's a bit startling to see so many responses, you've said it all. Brilliant conversations, thanks gentlemen!

I wrote this post because I was then under huge pressure of producing a new book which is consisted of pictures I took 5 years ago. I remeber very clearly how I fondled a m4p but never took any really good picture by it because I was too young and lazy.

And now 5 years later, I'm searching frantically in my archived negatives to see what I can produce. The contract is signed, we are annoucing the book in 10 days, and I felt if I had worked harder on photography rather than appreciating the camera, I would have done much much better. Searching helplessly among the negatives made me feel like I'm producing for an enormously stupid student...That's why I posted the thread.

Good news is, the book's largely good, not perfect but yes it has its merits which can be proud of. Then there's this feeling of remorse on my failing of bringing it to a higher level is so annoying.

I'm doing my best now, having printed more than 800 printing papers, I've kept about 60-70 images. You see the fail-success ratio....and still it's not done yet.

Many thanks for all your responses; I'm never going to tell you that I bought yet another Leica just a few days ago to complete a M3,M4,M5 collection. Now I own a little museum of vintage cameras and lenses...

Another secret: I found out during the last 5 years that I indeed am not that into photography, I love producing images much more. I started a private darkroom class 3 years ago and produced & published my book in 2014. So yes indeed I enjoy staying at home (where my darkroom is) rather than going out and take photos...well it's a hard truth that I'm no great photographer but it's also relieving to find one's true love.



Jing

giganova
01-09-2016, 12:58
I'm not into ... whatever normal women buy with their husband's credit card

I'm really surprised that such a sexist statement would come from a women. Of my ~20 closest couple friends, all women have income and are financially independent from their men to a large degree.

giganova
02-02-2016, 16:05
Leica only appeals to the would be photographers with their marketing strategy in the same way BMW etc appeals to the would be so called skillful drivers. And lets face it, most of the drivers of these high speed great handling top end cars would be better off with a Toyota Corolla or similar because from what I've seen few of them can drive at a level that justifies the expense. :D
:confused: Some people appreciate quality, craftsmanship and design. What does that have to do with the person's skill in using such a machine (be it a photographer or car driver)?

Darthfeeble
02-02-2016, 16:27
And what's wrong with a fetish or two? Or three......

Pfreddee
02-02-2016, 17:48
We all have our lunacies....

With best regards,

Pfreddee(Stephen)

noisycheese
03-15-2016, 18:17
There are a lot of comments in this thread that do not make any sense to me, beginning with:
The primary reason I gave up on photography for the past four years is I'm a fetishist; I worshiped this camera rather than shooting what has to be shot. I realized fetishism is the primary enemy of my life and all my life was either occupied earning money preparing to buy or spending the money to actually buy, this gets me to nowhere.

This fetishism is encouraged by consumer culture and various ads. Leica exploits people's dream of becoming a great photographer to push new products.

I love this camera but I will stop buying anything from leica now. I do not understand why being smitten with your Leica M prevents you from using it. Just get out and shoot - if it gets a scratch, put some black paint on the scratch and keep using it - or let it "brass" with age and use. I don't think Leica "exploits people's dreams." Whether a person buys a Leica M or a Pentax it is up to them to take that camera, get out of the house and away from the TV/computer/whatever and MAKE their photographic dreams come true. Dreams do not just magically fall form the sky; it takes work to make them happen. I have yet to see a Leica ad where they state or imply that buying an M camera and lenses will "make" anyone a "great" photographer. Greatness in photography only comes with thousands of hours of honing your craft, skills and your eye. That cannot be bought from any company or at any price. There are no shortcuts to greatness. This is not something people do not want to hear, though. Just saying.

And -
Leica only appeals to the would be photographers with their marketing strategy in the same way BMW etc appeals to the would be so called skillful drivers. And lets face it, most of the drivers of these high speed great handling top end cars would be better off with a Toyota Corolla or similar because from what I've seen few of them can drive at a level that justifies the expense. "Would be photographers?" Who are they? Was I a "would be photographer" when I shot for 20 years with Nikon? Did I automatically become a "would be photographer" when I traded in my Nikon gear on my Leica M? I don't think so. I don't think my binders full of Velvia transparencies are "would be photographs;" they appear for all the world to be actual photographs.

And -
Next time I run into someone from Leica I will let them know you won't be coming around. Your use of the term "logo" rather than "brand" is odd, but I catch your drift.

I lot of people dream that owning a Leica will bring joy and better photos, and are left broken hearted, not to mention (as you did) $10k in debt. But they sell and recover. Again, excellence in photography cannot be bought. It comes only with thousands of hours of effort. As far as debt, do not borrow money to buy Leica kit. Save up for it; trade in your film kit and older DSLR cameras and lenses. Get a part time job and save up for it if you have to. Buy with cash and you are debt free. Then you can still afford to travel and make photographs.

And -
Well put, and I have to agree with your sentiment on both counts. I certainly have a strong tendency or propensity to fixate on gear myself, cameras or otherwise. Though I'd argue it's actually for both what it does and what it is. I enjoy Leicas as fine craftsmanship, great tools, and even as beautiful machines. But I *also* appreciate rangefinders as a way of seeing and approaching photography, and I find them satisfying to use for their functional properties.

In my mind, the line gets crossed when you realize you enjoy the idea of a Leica (or any other tool), more than the reality of using it. I've been there more than once... buying new camping equipment thinking of all the adventures I'd use it on that never happened, or buying cameras or lenses for projects or "needs" that never materialize. I don't know if that's what the OP is feeling now, but I suspect I can relate on some level.

Speaking for myself, I know a big part of the driver for G.A.S. in general is that I have a day job and a family and many other commitments. Photography is a hobby and a passion all out of proportion to the amount of time I am able to devote to it. It's far easier to fixate on the gear, the aesthetic, or the history/myth/legend thereof than on making photographs. The ratio of time I spend reading, thinking, and talking about photography to the time I spend actually doing it is enormously lopsided. From that perspective. it's not hard to see why sp many of us can easily get caught up in the tools rather than the work... but they're also not mutually exclusive. Craftsmen or artists of any type can still appreciate fine tools, but hopefully just not to the detriment of actually producing work. If you have camping gear - or camera gear - that you are not using, MAKE time to use it. Don't read about photography on the 'net for two hours - get out of the house and photograph for two hours instead. If you bought a Leica M, don't sit on the couch and polish it with a microfiber cloth - get outside and shoot the hell out of it! Leicas are a LOT more fun when you use them rather than when you polish them or think about them.


One post that did make sense to me is this from Ian:
You can hardly blame the company for marketing its products as effectively as possible. Selling a dream or lifestyle is a standard marketing approach as old as the hills and consumers are free to buy into or not.

Besides Leica still makes some very fine cameras and lenses. Not everyone buying the products is necessarily a total chump. Like any other company that makes hard goods, Leica HAS GOT TO advertise to sell cameras and lenses in order to stay in business. There's no crime (or exploitation) in that. Buying an admittedly hideously costly camera like the M-P 240 with a hideously costly lens for it like the 35mm Summicron ASPH does not automatically make a person a rich, obnoxious poser or dilettante. There are many Magnum photographers who use Leica M gear; I can't think of any of them that are no talent putzes. There are also many normal, anonymous people who use M cameras and lenses that work their asses off at their craft that are not posers.

peterm1
03-15-2016, 18:24
I don't think it will trouble them to be honest. I'd wager 80% or even more of members here have never bought anything new Leica. We're not the target market.
As far as consumer goods go the same can be said for everything that's dangled in front of us. The only way out is to go and live in a cave and never browse the internet ever again.

I tend to think its still important to a company like Leica (or any company that sells upper end products) that people like us often buy second hand. (I know I do). The thing is that without a healthy second hand market, many people who buy new items of equipment simply could not do so if prices on their traded gear was too low. Same with the second hand car market for example. Without that market, the new car industry would be dead. Of course there are a few very rich people whom this would not affect as they have enough money to buy in any event. But in many cases they are not the camera "tragics" that companies like Leica rely upon.

JOCO34
03-17-2016, 14:35
This is my first post on the forum and I have been just lurking around for a while. This thread is pretty interesting but I want to offer up the idea that Leica is just an amatuer at marketing compared to the many Golf Club manufactures out there. There are many simularities between golfers and photograpers in fact. Only a few golfers are truly great and the rest of the hobby tries desparatley to "buy" a better game with the latest and greatest equipment. Thought it would be harder to play with very old style clubs. The same is true for photography. Leica needs to stay in bussiness and will appeal to whoever has the cash and desire to purchase the latest and greatest "M" series. Others like me for instance pretty much buy gently used versions and are happy duffers working on our craft. I own four Leicas currently, a IIIF, an M3, a 10 year old M8 still purring along and a new to me used M-240. Half of my lenses are Zeiss (3) and the other half Leica (3).

easyrider
03-17-2016, 14:49
Take the spare change leftover, and get some of this.

http://wisewomencoffeechat.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/lucy_the_psychiatrist.jpg

The best comment in this thread! Give the man (or woman) three stars and a shot of cognac!

dee
08-17-2016, 18:23
Hmmmm , I think I have a Leica dot from a catalogue to fit to my Panasonic L1 , or I could use the Dig 3 or M8 , both of which were bought for analogue style functionality , not for any other reason , and we have a Citroen 2cv without alloy wheels and the doors tend to bow out at 80 mph downhill with tail wind . One of the only cars designed fro scratch including tyres and in production just past our 1986 white plus grey Dolly .
.... I did fit a Leica logo to a Zenit C , just for fun as the 1st Leicaflex, plus I have several fake Leicas also for fun !
dee

xayraa33
08-17-2016, 18:40
Logo or no logo, it is a camera, so use it or sell it and get a Nikon SP and a few rolls of film. All will be well.

fireblade
08-17-2016, 19:31
Thread from the Dead.
Anyhows, the OP should know that Leica are offering leather whips with camera for the "fetishist" buyers....whether he likes the biting or spanking is his choice.