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Roger Hicks
02-12-2011, 02:49
...looks like this. And here's the text that accompanies it, from the Short Schrift that changes about once a week on my web-site:

Wrist straps for 35mm cameras date back at least to the 1930s. In fact, the one in the picture probably is from the 1930s, because the metal fittings are nickel-plated instead of chrome: look at the difference in colour between them and the chrome finish of the 1950s Agimatic to which the strap is fitted.

Some people love ‘em; some hate ‘em; and quite honestly, I’m pretty indifferent. They’re OK sometimes, but mostly I prefer neck straps. What I can’t understand, though, is that despite the availability of substantial, comfortable, easy-to-use, well-engineered straps like this, with a proper swivel around a tripod screw, there are still people who affix miserably flimsy wrist straps to one strap lug, sometimes without even a split-ring, using only what amounts to a loop of carpet thread.

Yes, you’ll almost certainly be OK if you use the strap lug in a way that was never intended; pull straight outwards, instead of upwards; put all the load on one lug; and run the risk of sawing through the carpet thread (look at the strap lug through a magnifier: the hole is often quite sharp-edged). But with a proper wrist strap, screwed into the tripod socket, ideally with a dab of thread-locking compound on the screw, you’ve a much wider margin of safety. With an Agimatic, you might not worry too much, but with a few hundred quids’ worth of camera, better safe than sorry.

dave lackey
02-12-2011, 10:59
...looks like this. And here's the text that accompanies it, from the Short Schrift that changes about once a week on my web-site:

Wrist straps for 35mm cameras date back at least to the 1930s. In fact, the one in the picture probably is from the 1930s, because the metal fittings are nickel-plated instead of chrome: look at the difference in colour between them and the chrome finish of the 1950s Agimatic to which the strap is fitted.

Some people love ‘em; some hate ‘em; and quite honestly, I’m pretty indifferent. They’re OK sometimes, but mostly I prefer neck straps. What I can’t understand, though, is that despite the availability of substantial, comfortable, easy-to-use, well-engineered straps like this, with a proper swivel around a tripod screw, there are still people who affix miserably flimsy wrist straps to one strap lug, sometimes without even a split-ring, using only what amounts to a loop of carpet thread.

Yes, you’ll almost certainly be OK if you use the strap lug in a way that was never intended; pull straight outwards, instead of upwards; put all the load on one lug; and run the risk of sawing through the carpet thread (look at the strap lug through a magnifier: the hole is often quite sharp-edged). But with a proper wrist strap, screwed into the tripod socket, ideally with a dab of thread-locking compound on the screw, you’ve a much wider margin of safety. With an Agimatic, you might not worry too much, but with a few hundred quids’ worth of camera, better safe than sorry.

Nice strap there, Roger...anyone make one like that these days?:)

I don't know about anyone else, but when I use a wrist strap it is ONLY as an insurance against dropping the camera, not for carrying. In fact, with my Gordy's strap, the one with all leather, no string, I find myself carrying and using the camera with my hand wrapped around the camera and using the lens as a grip at time. Never seem to let any weight hang on the strap itself.

I like the idea of a strap on the bottom plate as shown. Again, I just can't see anyone carrying the camera by the strap, but maybe they do.:eek:

kully
02-12-2011, 11:18
In theory, yes.

In practice - rubbish advice (at least for Leica RFs).

I agree that this way of attaching the strap to the camera is much nicer than a strap lug and I tried hard to make it work. The first thing I realised was the need for thread lock compound, as you mention.

But after a couple of months both my Ms had a distorted baseplate where the strap attachment had pulled at the softish, thin brass baseplate.

BTW When I got my M8 I asked Leica UK whether it was safe for me to dangle my camera off a strap lug, I got a reply a week later from someone in Germany saying something to the effect "ja!".

Ronald M
02-12-2011, 11:53
Looks exactly like mine except mine is chrome. I have had it for so many decades I can`t remember anything about where it was from. Someplace between 3 and 5 decades.

I use it as a safety device only so no distorted baseplates.

Actually i have learned you use the camera or put it in a padded.
bag. Taken too many falls in the woods tripping over leaf covered roots or slipping on snow/ice or leaves on mud. No grip in the world helps when you hit the ground.

Turtle
02-12-2011, 12:02
Most wrist straps are poorly thought out, too short, too thick etc. One day I am going to have a crack at designing camera bags and straps....

For a wrist strap it is sad to admit that the best I have found is a neck strap twisted around and bound to my wrist. Yes, this is insurance against drops and casual theft not a load bearing solution. I hold the camera.

pphuang
02-12-2011, 12:13
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/561958-REG/Bower_SS881_SS881_Heavy_duty_Wrist_Strap.html

Roger Hicks
02-12-2011, 12:32
Paul: thanks for the link. Pity about 'leather-like' but a 10 year guarantee removes some of the concerns.

Kully: I've only ever tried it at length with screw-mount, but I'm surprised at your experience with Ms. Not calling you a liar for an instant: just surprised. How badly distorted were the baseplates? Any problems consequent on the distortion? (Light leaks, bad seating on the tripod?) Like Dave and Turtle, I only ever treated it as insurance. i.e. I held the camera most of the time as well as having the strap around my wrist.

Cheers,

R.

newspaperguy
02-12-2011, 12:34
Good find, pphuang.

Arjay
02-12-2011, 12:37
For a wrist strap it is sad to admit that the best I have found is a neck strap twisted around and bound to my wrist. Yes, this is insurance against drops and casual theft not a load bearing solution. I hold the camera.
Yes, that's my idea, too.

I wrap my neck strap around my wrist with a twist - the strap that goes to the right-hand side lug of the camera must be set to a specific length. In this way, the lengh of the strap helps me
to position my index finger precisely over the shutter button, and
to hold the camera suspended for portrait orientation shots, if I'm shooting from the hip. This also works for landscape orientation;
the other strap hangs loose when I am photographing from the hip, and also holds the camera if I let go so that it dangles from the wrist.The trick is to precisely set the length of the strap and the position of the loop around the wrist. I'm working on a 'wrist strap' design without a loop, but with a wrist sleeve that can be preset for the wearer's wrist thickness and position.

Here's what it looks like:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/33376/U33376I1297543505.SEQ.0.jpg

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/rffgallery/gallery/33376/U33376I1297545304.SEQ.0.jpg

Sorry for the poor picture quality, I just took these shots quick 'n dirty.

Roger Hicks
02-12-2011, 12:48
Actually, I'll go right along with the idea of the neck strap around the wrist. It's a much better bet than a wrist strap for me.

I'm really glad this post has spawned some debate. It's what my AP column and Short Schrift are for. People may think I'm wrong; they may think I'm the biggest idiot on God's earth. But as long as they think, instead of just reciting what 'everyone knows', I've succeeded.

Cheers,

R.

umcelinho
02-12-2011, 12:51
http://www.electricedge.com/gordy_s_straps/wrist-tripod/index.htm

I personally prefer a neck strap around my wrist too, it's more versatile: I can use it both ways. For when I need both hands it's useful. I use a gordy's neck strap with the strings on both ends, so when it's around my wrist it won't come in the way of the viewfinder. when used normally, it feels like a "naked" camera, which I like!

icamp
02-12-2011, 12:54
Gordys has 2 models of tripod mount straps, and they are REAL leather.

Jason Sprenger
02-12-2011, 13:08
When I'm carrying a gadget bag, I use wrist straps and the wrist straps I also prefer to use are the straps that mount to the tripod socket.

These sort are less in my way and allow my hand to be in a more comfortable position when I'm manipulating and carrying the camera.

I only rarely let the camera dangle, entirely supported by a wrist strap. Not that I worry over much about the socket, it's too easy to flail the camera into something.

However, with my Leica M2, I use a grip from PhotoEquip as I find the position of the tripod socket particularly ill-suited not only for a wrist strap, but also its intended purpose.

ruby.monkey
02-12-2011, 13:22
Gordys has 2 models of tripod mount straps, and they are REAL leather.
They're also a little annoying on a Leica, due to the daft positioning of the tripod socket. Personally I like one of his standard lug-mounted wriststraps as a last-chance insurance against dropping my M3 - it lies comfortably between index and middle finger when I'm shooting - but I know better than to let the camera dangle from the wriststrap. I'm fond of the Leica neckstrap but usually carry the camera in my coat pocket, so wrapping the strap round my wrist won't do.

Muggins
02-12-2011, 14:36
I have to confess that I have never ever worried that much about whether or not my wrist strap is going to give way. However that might be because it's attached to a Trip 35 that's price was quintupled by putting an orange filter on it... On the other hand, I've found out that the lower part of a Vitomatic II case makes a top notch half-case for a Trip, so I might just try that...

Adrian

wgerrard
02-12-2011, 15:39
I'm a camera-holder, too. Neck straps annoy me.

I have a couple "carpet thread" straps I use with small, light camera, because that's what is available. I've actually tried to snap the thread by sawing it back and forth against the lug, without success.

In any case, I never rely on the wrist strap to hold the camera. That's what my hand is for. Besides, having a camera dangling freely from your wrist is risky, and sounds even more annoying than having one bouncing around on your chest.

Now, it would be really nice if someone came up with a wrist strap that sensed when you had lost your grip on the camera and automatically contracted around your wrist, thereby protect the camera and alerting you.

mathomas
02-12-2011, 20:22
I started with a neck strap and heard of this "wrap it around your forearm" trick, but for the life of me could not figure that out. It would uncoil, fall down, and generally be a real nuisance. Can someone explain it to me like I'm a five-year-old? Or better yet, pictures (Arjay's are nice, but too close-up).

For now, when carrying my Ms, I'm a wrist strap convert (Gordy and Luigi, both with split rings), and do occasionally dangle a camera (I tend not to swing my arm at all when doing so). Shhh, don't tell anyone!

mooge
02-12-2011, 20:50
Fedka sells those things too. (http://fedka.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=39&products_id=505)

It seems a little awkward to me, if you let the camera dangle (I do), it'll hang upside down ish. I guess it doesn't really matter though.
it would be nice if they made one that screwed in the tripod socket and looped around to the strap lug. that might stick to your hand better.

ChrisN
02-12-2011, 21:17
Am I the only person that prefers to wrap the strap around my left wrist, to leave my right hand free for other tasks? (I am right-handed.)

Traut
02-12-2011, 21:41
The best attach point I've seen on a camera was the Rollei 35's dedicated strap hardware cci wish others copied it.

alistair.o
02-13-2011, 00:13
Am I the only person that prefers to wrap the strap around my left wrist, to leave my right hand free for other tasks? (I am right-handed.)

Trying to visualise this Chris ? How do you focus whilst your left hand is 'tied' and right hand used to focus and press the button?

I was always a neck-strap user and focused with my right eye (I am also right handed). Then, I found that focusing with my left eye was much better for me. Next ( quite recently) I started using a wrist strap on my right wrist, naturally. I say naturally because I always use my left hand to focus, always.

Al

bgb
02-13-2011, 00:37
Am I the only person that prefers to wrap the strap around my left wrist, to leave my right hand free for other tasks? (I am right-handed.)

Sounds interesting Chris ... is it a standard length strap? Regular thickness or a thin one?

I just wrap the strap around my right wrist it's not the perfect solution but it works for me most of the time.

some time later ..........

I just tried your idea and it work well, thanks mate :D I'm right handed and left eyed.

ChrisN
02-13-2011, 02:12
Trying to visualise this Chris ? How do you focus whilst your left hand is 'tied' and right hand used to focus and press the button?

...

Al

Sounds interesting Chris ... is it a standard length strap? Regular thickness or a thin one?

I just wrap the strap around my right wrist it's not the perfect solution but it works for me most of the time.

some time later ..........

I just tried your idea and it work well, thanks mate :D I'm right handed and left eyed.

I hang the camera so the right side is hanging down, and take several wraps around my wrist, then give the camera a spin to twist the two strands together - that keeps them tidy. I leave enough length free so I can easily focus and adjust aperture with my left hand.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=84629&d=1297591955

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=84628&d=1297591949

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=84630&d=1297591962

Of course the best camera for this technique is the Pentax LX, with two attachment points on the left end, with swivel clips. The M5 is almost as good. But the normal strap works fine if you just run it across the back of the camera. I like to keep the long strap so I can hang the camera around my neck for changing film, or to tie it to the leg of the table at a cafe.

alistair.o
02-13-2011, 02:15
^^ I get you - thanks Chris

Al

ChrisN
02-13-2011, 02:25
If you get the length of the strap just right, you have excellent control of the camera, and enough freedom to focus easily.

bgb
02-13-2011, 04:29
Very cool Chris sign me up as a convert and thanks very much you the useful tip.

Arjay
02-13-2011, 04:43
I started with a neck strap and heard of this "wrap it around your forearm" trick, but for the life of me could not figure that out. It would uncoil, fall down, and generally be a real nuisance. Can someone explain it to me like I'm a five-year-old? Or better yet, pictures (Arjay's are nice, but too close-up).
I don't have enough time to shoot more photos right now, but I found a description that can be applied to wrapping the strap around your wrist (http://www.electricedge.com/gordy_s_straps/wrist-string/index.htm) (scroll down to 'Attaching the strap to a post'). Follow the description for the red string. Your wrist goes in the place of the post in the picture.

Keith
02-13-2011, 04:52
I suffered from wrist strap envy briefly and was so affected by peer pressure that I bought two of Gordy's examples.

A year later I gave them both away which is no refection on Gordy's straps I'm just not a strap person .... wrist or neck!

Roel
02-13-2011, 06:12
So what do you guys think of the Sling from http://www.leicagoodies.com/

Did anybody try this one? You stick just your two fingers in it. Seems to me that it must give you an awesome grip.

dave lackey
02-13-2011, 06:31
Well, again, if you are right-handed, it present many problems when out for a day shooting, especially if you don't want/need to carry a bag with you.

Think I might try out the left-hand approach mentioned by Chris... seems like I did try it when I first got the Gordy's strap but forgot why I switched.

dave lackey
02-13-2011, 06:50
A short while later...

Holy cow, just tried the Gordy's strap on the left side and it has enough slack to work very well! I can carry without getting my thumb on the rangefinder windows, there is a large gap on the right side of the lens where my thumb naturally falls), AND I can focus.:)

I love the Gordy strap as it is quite strong, loose fit and I can hardly even tell it is there.

Another advantage of the left side... with a shoulder bag hanging on the left, it is simple to stick the camera into the bag without having to go across your body.

Wonder why I didn't do this before? Musta been scared I would drop the camera when I first got it.:rolleyes:

wjlapier
02-13-2011, 06:56
I'm really liking the Leica X1 wrist strap. Cut off the string loop. There is a small enough hole that you can thread a split ring through it. Very comfortable, compared the Luigi one's I've tried. Never tried a Gordy though.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5203/5373385403_b0465b4bc3.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5373385403/)
BDWetzlarM635Cronv4 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5373385403/) by wjlapier (http://www.flickr.com/people/[email protected]/), on Flickr

sar-photo
02-13-2011, 07:52
I use diver's wrist lanyards - like the one at the bottom of this page:
http://www.roho.co.uk/acatalog/Lanyards.html

They're cheap, strong and you can use the toggle to secure it around your wrist.

They also come in colours other than luminous yellow!!

Cheers
Simon

rbsinto
02-13-2011, 08:27
I also just wrap the neck strap around my wrist a couple of times.
But if I ever do want one of those razzle-dazzle wrist straps, I'll take a length of narrow nylon strapping, and sew one up using 25 lb braided nylon fishing line to close the loops and a heavy-duty key ring to secure it to a strap lug. I did that to make my SLR hand straps and they've all worked just fine for years.

Matus
02-13-2011, 08:29
I got a Gordy's strap myself for my Konica Auto S3. It is very strong (would hold much larger camera) and it just fit the cute little S3 :)

I ordered the strap with a little black "bumper" that keeps the small key ring from scratching the camera.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5044/5246692693_f68e12aeca.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5246692693/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5161/5246692899_5a98b86859.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/5246692899/)

please note that in real life the red thread on the strap is not so saturated. I worked in PS on these images a bit for "artistic purposes" ;)

_larky
03-09-2011, 03:43
Just ordered myself a Gordy for the X100, looking forward to not having to wrap my shoulder strap up.

Bill58
03-09-2011, 03:56
So what do you guys think of the Sling from http://www.leicagoodies.com/

Did anybody try this one? You stick just your two fingers in it. Seems to me that it must give you an awesome grip.


I've got about 12 slings and frankly don't think anything is better, faster, more secure......and cheaper.

rodt16s
03-09-2011, 05:14
The only issue I have with the wrist strap style, is when using more than one body swapping is awkward and slow.
but still.. +1 for the Leicagoodies.

stickdude
03-24-2011, 14:36
I tried using the leica neck strap that came with the camera around my wrist and I found it too much hassle and time to wrap it securely.

Got a gordys wrist strap in the past few weeks and love it, very secured comfortable.

I like the idea of changing it over to the left though.
Will give it a go next time I'm out.

Mark

Chris101
03-28-2011, 13:17
I'm with ChrisN on this. I use a standard neck strap and then tie the strap with a slipknot to make a comfortable and secure loop that my hand can slip through (it's ambidextrous - fits left or right wrists.) As it connects to two lugs, it is so much more secure than any single point connection.

Pardon my use of a dslr for illustration purposes, but here are the steps to tie my magic knot:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=85457&stc=1&d=1301343326

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=85458&stc=1&d=1301343348

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=85459&stc=1&d=1301343367

taskoni
03-30-2011, 10:23
Here's what I found today :D Feels very comfortable and secure

http://img860.imageshack.us/img860/9486/p1000812.jpg

http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/1851/p1000811q.jpg

Regards,
b.

pschauss
03-30-2011, 13:01
I discovered that attaching a wrist strap to the strap lug on some of my FSU cameras can cause the lug to loosen resulting in mysterious light leaks.