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Lambo
01-10-2011, 11:38
Hi everyone !

I'm new to RFF and the Kodak Retina IIIC is my first RF camera.
I'm thinking about purchasing one of the 35mm lenses.
So which one would you pick ?

Schneider Retina Curtar Xenon 4/35mm
or
Schneider Retina Curtar 5.6/35mm ?

Is there a difference in image quality ?
Is it possible to close the camera door with the f/5.6 lens ?

Thanks !

Brian Sweeney
01-10-2011, 12:03
Even the F5.6 lens is too big to close the door on the IIIc, probably the same for the IIIC.

The 35/4 was better suited for the original Retina Reflex.

I have both 35/4 and 35/5.6. The latter is my favorite.

Gumby
01-10-2011, 12:05
I have both and have found all Retina accessory lenses to be cumbersome enough to use that I don't use any of them. So any difference in IQ isn't an issue for me. ;)

Lambo
01-10-2011, 12:07
I have both 35/4 and 35/5.6. The latter is my favorite.

Why ?
Because of its size/weight ?

Brian Sweeney
01-10-2011, 12:13
Size and weight, the F4 is a "Monster" that uses 58mm filters.

Lambo
01-10-2011, 12:20
Ok !
I see there are some variations of the F/5.6. Some are all silver with one distance scale and other with two distance scales. Some have a red triangle others don't. What does the triangle mean ? Which one do you have ?

Brian Sweeney
01-10-2011, 12:21
Just to add- The Retina IIIS with the Retina-Curtagon 35/2.8 is much easier to use. The Retina IIIc requires that you "refocus"- focus with the rangefinder, transfer the distance to a secondary scale. Usually, you will stop down and use it as a zone-focus. The F5.6 is more than practical for real use.

Brian Sweeney
01-10-2011, 12:26
Optically- probably the same. I will have to dig out the big leather case with a dozen Retinas in it, and lenses... Folding cameras can be stored densely.

Gumby
01-10-2011, 12:43
red triangle, if I recall correctly indicates "coated".

Lambo
01-10-2011, 12:50
Thanks Guys !
Gymby,
You voted for the other 35mm ? Why ?

Gumby
01-10-2011, 12:57
Thanks Guys !
Gymby,
You voted for the other 35mm ? Why ?

I didn't vote for either one. Both are too clumsy to use. If I voted, however, it would be for the f/5.6 since it doesn't require an acesory viewfinder.

Lambo
01-10-2011, 13:00
Ah sorry ;-). Good point the external viewfinder ! I guess The f/4 is too big and so one can see the lens in the built-in viewfinder ?

Gumby
01-10-2011, 13:31
I've used the 80mm with the accessory rangefinder. It's OK but only if you range focus like Sweeny suggested. So for the 35mm, it might not matter which one if one doesn't focus!

Brian Sweeney
01-10-2011, 14:36
My 35/5.6 has the one scale for determining DOF. The 35/4 has the 50mm to 35mm conversion scale on it.

The 35/5.6 is much longer than the 50/2 front module. The difficult accessory to find is the plastic lens case made to hold the 50mm front module when it is taken out.

JPD
01-10-2011, 14:38
Ok !
I see there are some variations of the F/5.6. Some are all silver with one distance scale and other with two distance scales.

Remember that it's just a depth-of-field scale. When you have focused with the rangefinder as usual, you then transfer the distance reading to the wide-angle scale on the under side of the camera.

crawdiddy
01-10-2011, 14:48
I recently purchased a IIc with the gorgeous 80mm f4 and 35mm f5.6 lenses. Yes, even the 35mm f5.6 is too large to close the lens cover.

I second Brian's comments about the cumbersome nature of focusing (determining distance), and then checking the conversion scale underneath and transferring the distance to that scale. It's not user friendly.

By the way, I have a IIIc (which has f2 Schneider lens) and also the IIc (with f2.8 Schneider). The extra lenses (35mm and 80mm) came with the IIc, and they WILL NOT fit on the IIIc. So, be very careful when acquiring lenses.

JPD
01-10-2011, 15:47
I compared the Retina lenses last summer:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

Lambo
01-11-2011, 00:15
By the way, I have a IIIc (which has f2 Schneider lens) and also the IIc (with f2.8 Schneider). The extra lenses (35mm and 80mm) came with the IIc, and they WILL NOT fit on the IIIc. So, be very careful when acquiring lenses.

You are sure about that ?
Some ebay sellers indicate that their lenses fit IIc AND IIIc...


I compared the Retina lenses last summer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/

Unfortunately, you didn't compare the two lenses i'm interested in. But these are still nice tests !
Thanks

Brian Sweeney
01-11-2011, 02:42
I do not have any problems switching front elements between the Schneider equipped IIIc and IIC that i currently have. i used to have a IIc, but sold it. again- no problems with front elements. The Rodenstock lenses are not compatible.

Lambo
01-11-2011, 04:41
I have an other question !
Is it possible to close the door with a filter mounted ?

JPD
01-11-2011, 07:11
Unfortunately, you didn't compare the two lenses i'm interested in. But these are still nice tests !
Thanks

I thought the f:4 wide angles were too big, so I didn't buy them. :)

Gumby
01-11-2011, 07:22
I have an other question !
Is it possible to close the door with a filter mounted ?

With the 50mm... yes.

Gumby
01-11-2011, 07:23
(Ther are) not any problems switching front elements between the Schneider equipped IIIc and IIC. The Rodenstock lenses are not compatible.

This is fact!

JPD
01-11-2011, 08:27
With the 50mm... yes.

As long as they are the thin original Retina filters. I use them. Good quality filters.

Gumby
01-11-2011, 09:13
Yes, I was making that assumption. Thanks for the clarification!

kitaanat
01-11-2011, 19:26
I've both lens and already compared. The Schneider 5.6/35mm always give me surprising result! but it worth to have both lens in your Retina set.

I'm with Brian, Gumby and other member here that the lens can be switch to another Retinas.

:)

Lambo
01-18-2011, 02:31
Hi guys, thanks agan for all your answers !

Here i am with an other question :
I found a " 32mm push fit / slip on lens hood "

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/3/3/6/6/2/5/webimg/424280293_o.jpg

there's this one too
http://cgi.befr.ebay.be/Voigtlander-310-32-32mm-push-fit-chrome-Lens-hood-/230567980524?pt=UK_Photography_VintagePhotography_ VintagePhotoAccessories&hash=item35aeec2dec#ht_532wt_754


Do these things can be used on my Retina IIIC ?
Is "32mm push-on" a standard ?

Gumby
01-18-2011, 06:58
No, the IIc and IIIc take a bayonet-mount lenshood for the 50 and 5.6/35. The f/4 lenses take special slip-on hoods that are sometimes a part of the protective case.

Lambo
01-18-2011, 07:07
I found an answer on http://kodak.3106.net/index.php?p=216&cam=911

Another feature of these cameras, indeed of most of the Retinas since 1954, is that the filter thread on the 50mm (and 35mm f/5.6) lens is not a "standard", the only commonly available alternatives to the factory original 29.5mm thread being 32mm push-on items, though just to confuse matters, Kodak refer to their filters for these cameras as "32mm". The factory lenshood, suitable for both 50mm lenses and the 35mm f/5.6, fits in the bayonet mount around the lens and as such is unique to the range, though a 32mm push-on hood will usually prove satisfactory for the 50mm lens.

JPD
01-18-2011, 08:09
Hi guys, thanks agan for all your answers !
Here i am with an other question :
I found a " 32mm push fit / slip on lens hood "

Do these things can be used on my Retina IIIC ?
Is "32mm push-on" a standard ?

The IIc/C and IIIc/C have a small piece sticking out a bit around the lens, so a push-on lens hood needs a cut-out to fit. The round one on the picture will fit as it already has a cut-out. You may need to file it down a bit.

Lambo
01-18-2011, 08:19
But if I have a filter mounted on the lens, do i still need a cut-out ?

JPD
01-18-2011, 10:41
But if I have a filter mounted on the lens, do i still need a cut-out ?

No, but the filter mount is thin, so the cut-out will let you push the filter on all the way in.

Last year I removed one of the slitted "clamps" on a 32mm Voigtländer lens hood to use it on my Retina IIc. It works, but doesn't look good, becuase it has a bit of a square shape that will not mount straight on the camera. I wish I used a round lens hood instead. Later I bought the original plastic Retina lens hood with bayonet mount, so now I only use the push-on hood on the 5,6 wideangle.

Lambo
01-18-2011, 10:50
I'm thinking about cutting it like you but I won't cut at the clamp area. I'll try to have it fitted at the good angle. I just wonder if it isn't too hard to do...
You do not have any vignetting with this hood on the 35mm lens ?

JPD
01-18-2011, 18:02
I'm thinking about cutting it like you but I won't cut at the clamp area. I'll try to have it fitted at the good angle. I just wonder if it isn't too hard to do...
You do not have any vignetting with this hood on the 35mm lens ?

Sorry, I got confused. I also have a rubber lens hood that works ok with both 50mm and 35mm. I haven't used the Voigtländer hood on the wide angle.

I personally think you should but the round lens hood, as it already has a a cut out. The Voigtländer is of higher quality, chromed brass, and I regret altering it.

But, on the other hand, if you always use filters maybe the hood can be used without a cut out. You can try and see.

Lambo
01-19-2011, 07:29
I just bought this for 2€ + 4.40€ for shipping :)

http://nsa25.casimages.com/img/2011/01/19/110119043237457284.jpg

A lot less expensive than the Voigtlander and no cut-out necessary. Not as beautiful though.

I'll buy a Voigt one the day I'll have a Vitessa :p

JPD
01-19-2011, 09:44
Perfect! :D It looks pretty wide, so it might work on the 5.6 wide angle as well.

Many front cell focusing lenses have a ptrotruding pin for the infinity stop. Some filter and lens hood manufactures took that into account when they made their mounts, like B+W did here.

Maybe I will try to find a lens hood like that in 27mm for my Balda Baldina. I have a soft plastic 27mm hood, that fits the old 3.5 Retinas, that I don't want to cut. :p

Lambo
01-19-2011, 10:11
Do you know what's the purpose of this little piece of metal on the Retina ?

JPD
01-19-2011, 12:46
Do you know what's the purpose of this little piece of metal on the Retina ?

I don't know and can only speculate. Maybe it's for some accessory device where it's important that it's mounted in a specific way, or maybe it's just there to make it easier to see where the red dot is making it faster to put the lens on. Maybe someone here knows the true answer?

The front part of the Xenar on the Retina Ib/IB also have the bayonet, but here the small tab is thinner and bent to lock the lens in place (the wide and tele lenses can't be used on the Xenar cameras) One can easily lift it up with a fingernail to unlock the bayonet if the lens needs cleaning.

Lambo
01-19-2011, 14:04
Is it possible to remove the 50mm without the plastic case for it ?
I have some dust there.

JPD
01-19-2011, 17:09
Is it possible to remove the 50mm without the plastic case for it ?
I have some dust there.

I put the 50mm in the case for the 35mm when I use the wide angle, but any clean surface or small box will do.

Lambo
01-20-2011, 01:23
I didn't mean to store the 50mm lens but to unscrew it ;-)
I don't have the 35mm yet.

Gumby
01-20-2011, 07:42
I didn't mean to store the 50mm lens but to unscrew it ;-)
I don't have the 35mm yet.

Yes, use your fingers.

Gumby
01-20-2011, 07:43
Twist left.

Gumby
01-20-2011, 07:45
Counter-clockwise, or if you are British... anti-clockwise.

Lambo
01-20-2011, 07:53
Thanks ! No wonder it was hard clockwise :p
My lens is dust free now :D

JPD
01-20-2011, 09:12
Thanks ! No wonder it was hard clockwise :p
My lens is dust free now :D

Check out the Retina booklets and manuals here: http://www.butkus.org/chinon/kodak.htm

So YOU is the IIIC guy on Youtube. The World is a small place. :D

Lambo
01-20-2011, 09:29
:D
The was no video on youtube when I was looking for one. So I did one myself :p
I don't think there are a lot of people interested in this camera in the world. :-)

JPD
01-20-2011, 09:47
:D
The was no video on youtube when I was looking for one. So I did one myself :p
I don't think there are a lot of people interested in this camera in the world. :-)

We must change that. I'll make Retina and Rollei videos some day too. :cool:

Lambo
01-20-2011, 10:10
That's right. There are almost no rolleiflex video.

Lambo
01-24-2011, 06:03
I just received one of the filters I ordered (an orange one, others are green and yellow, a red would be sweet). It is about as thick as the lens. So I could have picked the voigtlander hood. Maybe Later, I'm still waiting for the B+W.

Lambo
01-25-2011, 05:28
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5216/5387519150_948f73ebfc_z.jpg

I got all my filters and the hood.
You were right about the thickness of filters. The orange one is thicker though. But I still can close the door with it on the lens. I also got 2 little transparent boxes for yellow and green filters.

Thanks for all your replies !

JPD
01-25-2011, 07:35
Nice. I use the yellow filters (light and medium) most of the time, and the green (actually yellow-green) sometimes in the summer. :)

Gumby
01-25-2011, 07:42
Well that looks like it works just fine!

crawdiddy
09-14-2011, 07:46
You are sure about that ?
Some ebay sellers indicate that their lenses fit IIc AND IIIc...

Thanks

Well, I tried again, and I have a different result.

I was able to fit the f/2.8 front element (from the IIc) on the IIIc. Tight fit, but it works.

I placed the f/2 front element (from the IIIc) on the IIc, but it's not snug. There's a little wobble. I'll have to see if I can find the appropriate spot to firm it up (duct tape, toothpick, etc.).

The reason I originally concluded they didn't fit, is that it required more force than I'm usually comfortable with. Perhaps the manufacturing tolerances were a bit off between the 2 cameras.

Anyone else experience this issue? Perhaps Brian Sweeney, the lens whisperer?

markjwyatt
02-18-2019, 18:04
I have the 35mm f2.8 Curtagon and the 50mm f1.9 Xenon (non-rangefinder versions). Both are DKL lenses without the rangefinder cam mechanism, and are not specified as "Retina".

Curtagon

https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4884/46695663172_cc07ab9cfa_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2e9ktNU)
Pepper Corns (https://flic.kr/p/2e9ktNU) by Mark Wyatt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/markjwyatt/), on Flickr

Xenon

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1944/44935911054_15acedfb58_b.jpg (https://flic.kr/p/2bsQhP9)
bougainvillea (https://flic.kr/p/2bsQhP9) by Mark Wyatt (https://www.flickr.com/photos/markjwyatt/), on Flickr

I use them on a Retina IV (both the above were taken with the Retina IV), my Fuji XT-2, or I also have an adapter that allows me to use them on some M42 cameras (works on my Praktica LTL3 and MTL5, and Fuji ST605, but not on Spotmatics nor on Zeiss Icarex 35S TM).

Anyone know of any slide-on filters for the f2.8 Curtagon? It has no threads for a filter and there is no bayonet either.