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Old 11-30-2013   #1
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Sony a7/a7r with Zeiss SLR, Leica R, Zuiko, and other SLR lenses

As folks start getting their a7 and a7r Cameras I hope we can start seeing some images from SLR lenses.
It seems the focus () on forums has been on RF glass which... likely is not the best choice for non native glass with this Camera.

Contax/Yashica, Leica R, Zuiko, and M42 Takumars have been in rotation for me on my 5D's for years now (I've used Nikkors as well but no longer).
Lets see some images from adapted SLR lenses on the new Sony FF bodies.
Thank you for posting your images!
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Having just gotten the A7 (and using it strictly to mount M-mount lenses so far) I must say that I'm impressed. I think I'll have to pick up a Nikon F to E mount adapter and try the few lenses I do have that will function on the A7.. this just opens up a world of possibilities ..

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Such a camera may be a less costly way for professionals to get the job done.
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Had mine for a week and been mainly trialling my M lenses. Have the Leica R PC28 2.8 and that works well. Have a project I am trying to finish for my daughter and once done I will post a couple of mine.
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Having just gotten the A7 (and using it strictly to mount M-mount lenses so far) I must say that I'm impressed.

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Zeiss 21mm, 35mm pre-ASPH lux, 50mm pre-ASPH lux, 90mm pre-ASPH Cron and a CV 12mm that's an LTM with the LTM-M adapter

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I discovered with the Fuji that buying (insert SLR mount) to Leica M mount to be the most economical way to convert these lenses.
For example now have a Hawks helicoid M-FX adapter for my Xpro1 and use a C/Y -M mount adapter.
It seems like a lot of extra bit's but in reality it works great and the C/Y to M adapter was very inexpensive compared to another Hawks C/Y to FX adapter.
ooops… I'm off topic

Images anyone ?
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if any one has tried the voigtlander slr lenses on the a7 I'd appreciate some comments.

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Would like to see samples from the Nikon 102/2.5 AI(s) (both Gauss AND Sonnar) as well as the Nikon 85/1.4 AI(s). Wide open would be nice.
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The point of a camera that small is to be light and compact. Throwing a huge SLR lens on it kinda defeats the purpose.
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The point of a camera that small is to be light and compact. Throwing a huge SLR lens on it kinda defeats the purpose.
Although I tend to agree with you. There are lots of threads for grumbling about shortcomings and goings…. this thread is for images and experiences!

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The point of a camera that small is to be light and compact. Throwing a huge SLR lens on it kinda defeats the purpose.
I'm definitely a rangefinder guy, but I have to point out that not all SLR lenses are big and heavy ;-) I just bought a Zuiko 21/3.5 and it's similar in size to the VC 21/4 I had. I was also quite interested in seeing some samples of the Zuiko 21 on the A7r compared to the VC, and I must say the Zuiko won hands down. Sharper across the entire frame.

Other small SLR lenses I have loved include the Contax 50/1.7 and the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro is stunning. The Contax 85/2.8 is a great performer too and pretty light/small.

I shoot film 100% but am looking for a video solution. I am interested in seeing how the Zuiko lenses work generally on the Sony.
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I'm definitely a rangefinder guy, but I have to point out that not all SLR lenses are big and heavy ;-) I just bought a Zuiko 21/3.5 and it's similar in size to the VC 21/4 I had. I was also quite interested in seeing some samples of the Zuiko 21 on the A7r compared to the VC, and I must say the Zuiko won hands down. Sharper across the entire frame.

Other small SLR lenses I have loved include the Contax 50/1.7 and the Zuiko 50/3.5 macro is stunning. The Contax 85/2.8 is a great performer too and pretty light/small.

I shoot film 100% but am looking for a video solution. I am interested in seeing how the Zuiko lenses work generally on the Sony.
The video I have seen ( I do not own one of these) doesn't look so hot. I think GH3 is probably still way ahead in that department - but of course it is micro 4/3...
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Such a camera may be a less costly way for professionals to get the job done.
Except for pros already using a camera that is less expensive than the Sony, of course.
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Except for pros already using a camera that is less expensive than the Sony, of course.
Of course. This is logical.
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This was one of the things I wanted to do with A7R which I just received.


Days of Future Past by Suguru Nishioka, on Flickr

Shot with Leica M2, Summicron 50/2 v5, TriX @ 400.
Scanned with Sony A7R, Micro-Nikkor 55/2.8 + Extension.

This was a quicky using my MacBook Air as light box and phone as remote shutter release. About 1:0.8 magnification (this setup can shoot 1:1), quick edit of small jpeg "digital negative" on Lightroom.

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This was one of the things I wanted to do with A7R which I just received.


Days of Future Past by Suguru Nishioka, on Flickr

Shot with Leica M2, Summicron 50/2 v5, TriX @ 400.
Scanned with Sony A7R, Micro-Nikkor 55/2.8 + Extension.

This was a quicky using my MacBook Air as light box and phone as remote shutter release. About 1:0.8 magnification (this setup can shoot 1:1), quick edit of small jpeg "digital negative" on Lightroom.

VERY CLEVER! Great idea
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The point of a camera that small is to be light and compact. Throwing a huge SLR lens on it kinda defeats the purpose.
The point of a camera is to do whatever you want with it, IMHO.

A7r+ Canon nFD 20/2.8:


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The A7 is not that small, in fact it's almost exactly like an early Olympus SLR, so the SLR lenses (which vary like RFs) feel very natural on it. The nFD 20/2.8 is superb and cheap. It's lighter and about the same size on the camera with adapter as the CV 50/1.1

No reason on earth not to use SLR glass with this camera. It loves them.

I do hope one day sony will make a FF the footprint of a nex-5. As it is the camera is quite similar in size and heft to my M6--though in truth it's 100 grams lighter: you just can't tell.

If one was trying to choose between a used M9 and the sony, I don't think size should be guiding you, because they are not that different. That did surprise me.


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I had the same take on size as Charlie; the A7r reminds me very much of my Contax 139 only it doesn't have the protrusion out the centre front to accommodate the mirror box a film SLR is saddled with.

A C/Y - E, or Nikon F - E mount adapter replaces that SLR protrusion. Overall I find the size works great with adapted SLR lenses. For me I found these lenses a little large on the NEX-5N; on the A7/r cameras they feel just right (disclaimer I've yet mounted the heavier glass... early next week fingers crossed).

I can't wait to throw my C/Y Distagon 28/2.8 or Planar 50/1.4 or the Nikkors 20/3.5, 134/2, 85/2, 28/2.8 etc on the front of the A7r. And some native Sony glass too.
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The point of a camera that small is to be light and compact. Throwing a huge SLR lens on it kinda defeats the purpose.
Unless you're someone that's been waiting, and WAITING, for a full-frame body at a somewhat reasonable price on which one can mount just about any lens in the cabinet! A7: $1700 and can mount everything from rangefinder to SLR to MF lenses! Everything else? A lot more expensive and unable to mount nearly as many lenses. Thus, for many of us, the A7 'idea' is VERY attractive!
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Sug.. that's BRILLIANT... great idea!!! Wow this is just opening up a ton of possibilities for me..

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Unless you're someone that's been waiting, and WAITING, for a full-frame body at a somewhat reasonable price on which one can mount just about any lens in the cabinet! A7: $1700 and can mount everything from rangefinder to SLR to MF lenses! Everything else? A lot more expensive and unable to mount nearly as many lenses. Thus, for many of us, the A7 'idea' is VERY attractive!
Agreed - I have found that this camera (a7 or a7r) is incredibly good as an M-Mount digital platform..

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Zeiss 21mm, 35mm pre-ASPH lux, 50mm pre-ASPH lux, 90mm pre-ASPH Cron and a CV 12mm that's an LTM with the LTM-M adapter

Cheers,
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I would b very interested to know how you find the 12mm on the A7 - I have an A7r on order and keep reading that is bad to unusable. The samples I keep seeing are pretty hard to truly judge performance. I may be willing to go A7 if the super wides are significantly better on it.
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I would b very interested to know how you find the 12mm on the A7 - I have an A7r on order and keep reading that is bad to unusable. The samples I keep seeing are pretty hard to truly judge performance. I may be willing to go A7 if the super wides are significantly better on it.
My opinion right now: the CV 12 has no more smearing on A7r than A7.

it most likely has more colorshift. The centers will be much better on A7r.

CV 15 is not optimal on either, but many are using it.

zm 18 must be stopped down to bring in the landscape edges.

best RF 28 is Elmarit v3 on both cameras.

cv 35/1.4 is spectacular on A7r. I could not believe it.
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Sug.. that's BRILLIANT... great idea!!! Wow this is just opening up a ton of possibilities for me..

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Glad you liked the idea.

When you actually do this, I think you'll feel how familiar this is, in a strange way, to darkroom printing process. Actually getting this setup is encouraging me to shoot more film as I just couldn't like the conventional scanning process.

My current setup is quite laid back with no precision work, but I'm kinda liking the fuzzy logic, each scan can be slightly different and unique like darkroom prints.

Another film snap scanned with the setup.



Here is a snap with the 55mm Micro-Nikkor.

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model shots from Fujiwara Katsuya, 藤原克也 w A7R, using Canon 24-70 L lens
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Glad you liked the idea.

When you actually do this, I think you'll feel how familiar this is, in a strange way, to darkroom printing process. Actually getting this setup is encouraging me to shoot more film as I just couldn't like the conventional scanning process.

My current setup is quite laid back with no precision work, but I'm kinda liking the fuzzy logic, each scan can be slightly different and unique like darkroom prints.

Another film snap scanned with the setup.
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I would love to see a full resolution sample to compare to my current scanning system, though I completely understand if you're reluctant to share!
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CV 12mm LTM (with an LTM-M adapter... then mounted on the voigtlander M-E adapter.. onto the camera *LOL*)



SOOC Jpeg - full size (at 6000x4000) is on my Flickr - there's a few others up there as I've been learning how to effectively use the Focus Peaking.

What I've noted so far is that there's not a lot of difference b/w the time it takes to use the RF vs the time it takes to use the EVF for focusing - the experience is completely different mind you and I would not try to say that the EVF can replace the RF (ovf) - it's just a different method of manual focusing.

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NIkon 300 AIS ED in very overcast weather wide open. Note this is not always a great lens.


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Dave, the 12mm looks pretty good.......not bad at all.
Maybe I should keep it.
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I would love to see a full resolution sample to compare to my current scanning system, though I completely understand if you're reluctant to share!
Will try to get a bit more decent scan and post some 100% when I get time. I really need a better tripod. My aluminum/plastic travel tripod is just not stable enough for 1:1 "darkroom" macro shots...
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I ordered an a7 and won't have it until next week. My plan is to use a 35mm Summicron V3 as my "normal" lens along with a 24mm Minolta Rokkor MC as my wide and a 58mm f1.2 Minolta Rokkor MC as my fast/portrait lens. From what I've seen, the Summicron should be great on the a7, but I haven't seen anything regarding old Minolta SLR lenses yet. Anyone have any ideas?
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Well, i think i am finally ready to buy a digital camera an use with my legacy zuikos, contaxes, hexanons, nikkors and, of course, leica... But will wait a few months to see if there are any bugs to be fixed...
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Well, i think i am finally ready to buy a digital camera an use with my legacy zuikos, contaxes, hexanons, nikkors and, of course, leica... But will wait a few months to see if there are any bugs to be fixed...

A 5Dii is a nice option for reflex lenses. I have yet to jump on the A7 wagon.
Still curious to see a few more images and try converting some RAW files plus, I like a reflex finder for long lenses
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Today's LUG (Leica User's Group) digest included several B&W photos made with a Sony A7R camera and Leitz 19mm/2.8 Elmarit lens. Suffice to say, the combination worked flawlessly.
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I am looking to get a short tele for my A7r. My day to day kit is Leica PC28 2.8, Leica 50 Summicron and have a Zeiss 15 2.8 ZF.2. Would like something small. Am bouncing around between CV75 1.8, Rokkor 90/4 and Leica TE 90 2.8. Anybody have any thoughts on these or anything else for that matter.
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CV 12mm LTM (with an LTM-M adapter... then mounted on the voigtlander M-E adapter.. onto the camera *LOL*)




Cheers,
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Oh God, I wish I'd never seen this image from an A7r with a wide angle lens.....tell me there's some problem with color shift and I can go to bed content tonight.

What do you think would happen with a Summicron 35 or a Voigtlander 15mm....?
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