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Old 01-04-2012   #1
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Fujifilm X-Pro1 details leaked!!!

Fujifilm X-Pro1
- custom 16-megapixel APS-CMOS sensor incorporating a new filter array and EXR technology
- second generation hybrid viewfinder
- 18/2.0, 35/1.4, 60/2.4/Macro prime lenses

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Fujifilm Introduces First Compact System Camera

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The new models include the X-Pro1, X-S1 (shipping this month at an expected $800 suggested retail) and a new F series model in the F750EXR (shipping in March at an expected $350).

The highlight of the offerings is the Fujifilm X-Pro1, which is a highly featured compact system camera. Fuji-filim said it will build on the success of the X100 model, by adding a camera that features a custom-developed 16-megapixel APS-CMOS sensor incorporating a new filter array and the company's proprietary EXR processor technology.

The camera also includes a second-generation hybrid view-finder and takes three prime interchangeable Fuji-non lenses, all with fast apertures.

The lenses include: the 18mm (27mm equivalent) f/2.0, 35mm (53mm equivalent) f/1.4 and 60mm (90mm equivalent) f/2.4.

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A little disappointed at no 35/2 (if the specs are true), but I'll survive. 28/50 will work.
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Old 01-04-2012   #3
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I could want faster on the 60mm...but, this looks awful good.
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sounds expensive...
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No 35mm-equivalent field of view lens? Fail!
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There's still the x100 for the 35mm FOV, so that doesn't worry me so much.

I'm more of a fifty guy anyway though...

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No 35mm-equivalent field of view lens? Fail!
Unless the quoted focal lengths are already corrected to the equivalent of 35mm film :roll eyes:

In that case it would be AWESOME!
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If true I am more interested in this than the possible Nikon D4. The focal lengths will work for me alright. Fingers crossed.

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Old 01-04-2012   #9
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It makes sense that they'd avoid the 35mm equivalent length, so as not to cannibalize X100 sales.
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If there were a wider offering I'd be sold. 28mm never seemed wide enough to me, 21 equivalent and I'm sold 100%. It still looks to be a winner to me even without a wider lens in the initial offering, depending on the cost of the primes
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link seems bogus to me... Greg Tarr at Wells Fargo drafting/publishing press release for Fujifilm?

The Nikon D4 leak was also allegedly written by the same person and posted on the same 'Wells Fargo' website.

... Looking forward to the real info from fujifilm
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But How are the Colors?
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But How are the Colors?

I'm assuming this means 1.5x crop factor but with that named are all my images going to look like I shot them on slide film but developed for c41?
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link seems bogus to me... Greg Tarr at Wells Fargo drafting/publishing press release for Fujifilm?
I don't think it is bogus; there was a press release from Fujifilm embargoed until 1200AM ET; this story is 12:01. I haven't seen the PR yet but did see an alert from Fuji themselves saying it was coming.
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But will it zone focus or will this be another camera that is useless for street photography?
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But will it zone focus or will this be another camera that is useless for street photography?
guess you'll have to work around it with the distance scale in the VF and the LCD. I dont expect to see lenses with AF and mechanical rings from Fuji (or anyone for that matter)

I wonder if there's a chance for a manual focus lens.
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Can't get both the NEX-7 and the X-Pro1. I have the Hawks M adapter for the NEX-7, but if the viewfinder will allow.. an adapted Fuji will undoubtedly work better with the Biogons. I sure hope Fuji is quick to get some cameras out for review, but I'm not holding my breath. The Fuji system lenses will leave Sony in the dust.
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If its like the stuff Fuji's introduced in recent years, it'll cost 3 times what its worth and will be crippled by some serious flaw that makes it useless to serious artists. Sad, cause it looks like a cool idea.
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But will it zone focus or will this be another camera that is useless for street photography?
Eventually, some enterprising individual will create an adapter for mounting a Summitar on it, or imagine the Millenium Nikkor 50/1.4.

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Curious what the X100's crippling flaw to serious artists is.
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Poor autofocus and too much shutter lag, from what I've read. At the price of over $1000, I won't even consider trying something like that. Not when you can buy a Nikon or Canon D-SLR for half that with same image quality and a better camera.
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I dont expect to see lenses with AF and mechanical rings from Fuji (or anyone for that matter)
zuiko 12mm f2 for m4/3 - mechanical focus ring with distance scales.
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zuiko 12mm f2 for m4/3 - mechanical focus ring with distance scales.
As far as I know it's focus-by-wire, too, "only the wire is shorter".

Focus-by-wire is the norm now. It would be quite difficult nowadays to build a lens with a traditional mechanical focusing helical and focus ring, then have the autofocus motor turn the ring, and have the whole system feel good, because you'll be manually focusing against the motor all the time. If you want an idea what a good focus-by-wire system can feel like, look no further than the Carl Zeiss lenses for the Contax N system. They're so well damped that people don't notice they're focus-by-wire.
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I've never experienced noticeable shutter lag with the X100 - AF isn't great, no question. Arguably faster in a number of instances than a manual rangefinder, but other contrast systems seem faster.

It's certainly not a perfect camera, if such a thing can ever exist, but crippled and useless for serious artists is absurdly hyperbolic.
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And as soon as the X-Pro1 is about to hit the shops another manufacturer will announce its next best camera in the 'mock rangefinder' arena, and a whole new round of dithering about what to buy will start. Should I wait for this, should I buy that? All those photographs waiting for just the right camera to come along, the world will be blessed. Or we could just buy an M8 or M9 now and get on with it

And lets not forget Leica themselves are going to be responsible for throwing a spanner in the works with their EVIL system. At some point one of the big boys, maybe even Fuji this time around, will throw their lot in with Leica and the battle will be won. As soon as any other system can take the new Leica EVIL system lenses (I don't mean via adapters, but fully functional) all other talk of what to get will be negated because it will be competing against the best. Leica and one other player will own the market.

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'Second generation viewfinder'

Still I think it would be feasable to have that viewfinder blind pop up with a square hole in the middle, have the EVF engage and then the photographer can manually focus the lens by lining up the optical image and the electronical image: a digital rangefinder concept!

It would work just opposite from a Leica rangefinder, the smaller patch would be OVF and always in focus and you would have to line up the electronic image that surrounds it.

It that would be a 'second generation viewfinder' and they have improved on manual focusing, it might be a pretty nice experience altogether!
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But is it as good as a Holga?
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'Second generation viewfinder'

Still I think it would be feasable to have that viewfinder blind pop up with a square hole in the middle, have the EVF engage and then the photographer can manually focus the lens by lining up the optical image and the electronical image: a digital rangefinder concept!

It would work just opposite from a Leica rangefinder, the smaller patch would be OVF and always in focus and you would have to line up the electronic image that surrounds it.

It that would be a 'second generation viewfinder' and they have improved on manual focusing, it might be a pretty nice experience altogether!

oh yes, please!
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Zooming hybrid-viewfinder!

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That pic in the lower right corner is a limited addition X100 in black?
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So, with my limited French, did I understand correctly that it is expected body with the 35mm lens to cost circa 1300 euros?
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Pretty much. Sound like a decent deal.
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Oh crap.. I may need to get this. A 50mm f1.4 and a 28mm f2 pancake is pretty much my ultimate lens setup on a small camera. The question is - do I sell my x100 to get it, and will they make more lenses for this setup - like a 35mm!
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Oh crap.. I may need to get this. A 50mm f1.4 and a 28mm f2 pancake is pretty much my ultimate lens setup on a small camera.
Same here!

I've regret to buy a X100 because of the electronic viewfinder, but if there is a real hybrid rangefinder it would be awesome.
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Oh my! And I was just convinced that I should by myself an Ricoh GR-D....
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Poor autofocus and too much shutter lag, from what I've read. At the price of over $1000, I won't even consider trying something like that. Not when you can buy a Nikon or Canon D-SLR for half that with same image quality and a better camera.
it's almost impossible to imagine where would you need a pro-dslr-lever autofocus in RF-like camera as an artist! The only possible use would be in sports, and X100, or "serious artist" is a bit out of place shooting skiing, football or F1 racing
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That pic in the lower right corner is a limited addition X100 in black?
That's what the article says. "Limited" to 10'000 units. Comes with leather pouch. Looks good to me but I'm afraid I'm so old that I prefer the classy chrome look

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Oh crap.. I may need to get this. A 50mm f1.4 and a 28mm f2 pancake is pretty much my ultimate lens setup on a small camera. The question is - do I sell my x100 to get it, and will they make more lenses for this setup - like a 35mm!
sooner or later, fuji will produce a 35mm for this, since this is a brand new system, I don't think it's fair to expect them to cover every focal length from the beginning, but over time... just like m4/3, or any other system that started from scratch, not everything is launched with the first camera
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I only hope that it will have at least AF or MF, not like x100 with no F at all.
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sooner or later, fuji will produce a 35mm for this, since this is a brand new system, I don't think it's fair to expect them to cover every focal length from the beginning, but over time... just like m4/3, or any other system that started from scratch, not everything is launched with the first camera
I'm aware of this, but it has an optical hybrid finder, which mean it will have set frame lines. what I was wondering is if they will expand the lens line or just keep it as-is...

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Poor autofocus and too much shutter lag, from what I've read. At the price of over $1000, I won't even consider trying something like that. Not when you can buy a Nikon or Canon D-SLR for half that with same image quality and a better camera.
My x100 focusses fine, even in low light. ISO 5000, wide open, 1/50th, just fine. And Chris - the x100 definitely has NO shutter lag. Mine probably has less than my 5d.
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