Images Produced By Fujifilm X100

[bwcolor]

Does this camera produces a decent file/image? So much excitement over the form/ergonomics and so little information regarding end product.

I suspect that the camera has yet to reach the stage of development where Fujifilm feels comfortable with releasing pre-production samples of the camera for testing... duhhh.

Please post links here to actually images produced by the X100.

[Matus]

I fear we need to wait a bit longer. My understanding is that this camera is "being developed" and there are no working cameras yet, at least no "official" preproduction ones to my knowledge.

[rover]

Originally Posted by Matus

I fear we need to wait a bit longer. My understanding is that this camera is "being developed" and there are no working cameras yet, at least no "official" preproduction ones to my knowledge.

Correct, the announcement is a development announcement, not one of a new product.

I just read on Mike Johnston's site, The Online Photographer, that the models on display have a working viewfinder, but no sensor or any other worker parts.

[bwcolor]

That was my impression. The point being that all of this excitement is like a politician running for the first time with an unknown past. Everyone reads what they want and confuse their hopes and wishes for the real thing. Form certainly trumps the X1, but offerings from Ricoh, Samsung and by the time it is introduced, Sony must be considered in the mix. Also, Leica has plenty of time to come up with a counter. They don't need to introduce an attractive alternative prior to the Fujifilm being introduced. They just need to make an announcement and they can blunt the introduction of this camera, or force a reduction in price in the same way that the X100 will stall X1 sales. Things are looking up and competition should give us some large sensor compact alternatives to the DSLR, or the point and shoot.

[willie_901]

When we have no data (actual X100 images) our only recourse for making an estimate is our prior experience.

So, what is the probability that the X100's image quality will be competitive? Well the published MTF plots look good. So, based on Fuji's past performance with APS-C sensors, I would say the probability is quite high. A more pessimistic outlook is equally valid as long as long there is prior information to infer a mediocre IQ.

I am not convinced (based on Fuji's past performance) that X100 will ship as early as promised.

At any rate, my G1 and Lumix 20/1.7 will likely not be in my bag this time next year.

[semilog]

Originally Posted by willie_901

So, what is the probability that the X100's image quality will be competitive? Well the published MTF plots look good. So, based on Fuji's past performance with APS-C sensors, I would say the probability is quite high. A more pessimistic outlook is equally valid as long as long there is prior information to infer a mediocre IQ.

At this point, I don't think that there's a bad APS-C sensor on the market. And as you say, the MTFs that Fuji is showing are spectacular. We have every reason to think that IQ should be superb.

Certainly on par with, say, a D300 and 35/2 Nikkor. Significantly better, actually, if the MTFs are not hot air -- they indicate a substantially better optic than the Nikkor 35/2. Closer, in fact, to the new 35/1.4.

And that, really, is all I could want or require from a camera like this.

[Ezzie]

Coming early 2011 they say.

[shadowfox]

OT but relevant:

Why don't Fuji use this camera to launch an open sensor platform.
Sort of like Ricoh GXR system, but with a fixed lens.

This camera is good candidate because the styling and controls are classic, and the lens is excellent (Hasselblad ain't stupid when they choose Fuji to make lenses for them).

All that is missing is the sensor ... or is it sensors?

[semilog]

Originally Posted by shadowfox

OT but relevant:

Why don't Fuji use this camera to launch an open sensor platform.
Sort of like Ricoh GXR system, but with a fixed lens.

This camera is good candidate because the styling and controls are classic, and the lens is excellent (Hasselblad ain't stupid when they choose Fuji to make lenses for them).

All that is missing is the sensor ... or is it sensors?

This is a wish that we see on the web quite frequently. Frankly, I don't understand the motivation, not a bit.

[Santtu Määttänen]

Originally Posted by semilog

This is a wish that we see on the web quite frequently. Frankly, I don't understand the motivation, not a bit.

How about mechanically superb construction that wouldn't become obsolete the second sensors brakes down, specially after global shutter technology becomes available at affordable prices and there wouldn't be mechanical shutter to brake down.

Let's face it, those two things keep the milage on digital cameras rather low, shutters that brake and sensors that go bust. When talking about seriously well build cameras that is.

[Yashi]

See a working x100 at Photokina

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koelnmesse/5011219262/

Looks pretty real to me...there are some more pics from Photokina and some more of the x100. Also there is one shot where you can see the ext. flash, a nice brown carry bag...here it is...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/koelnmesse/5011219262/


price....

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_302063.html



+ I totally believe that the images will be top notch.

[Vince Lupo]

Alright, you guys wore me down -- I want one now!

[chris00nj]

This may be the best photo of the X100 so far:

[bwcolor]

Perhaps, it doesn't really matter in the long run how this camera works out. What is really positive is the overwhelming response and not just on this board. The other companies will not let this go unanswered.

[Tsai]

Based upon this price of 1000euro

roughly

1400 CND
1300 USD
850 GBP

1000 euro more then i have at the moment.
Time to save up

Originally Posted by Yashi

price....

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_302063.html

[robbert]

i can't understand why leica didn't include an integrated optical viewfinder with the x1

[Mcary]

Originally Posted by Tsai

Based upon this price of 1000euro

roughly

1400 CND
1300 USD
850 GBP

1000 euro more then i have at the moment.
Time to save up

I'm wondering if the estimated quoted price of 1000 euro's is with or without VAT plus other taxes? If its with VAT that would make the USD price much lower then 1300 due to the fact that most states have a much lower sales taxes (added to sale price at time of purchase) then the VAT rates of most EU countries. And of course some states don't even have a sales tax.

[Matus]

Originally Posted by robbert

i can't understand why leica didn't include an integrated optical viewfinder with the x1

My impression is that X1 is quite a bit smaller (especially height-wise). I would guess the idea was to make it significantly smaller than M9 and closer to P&S camera (what X1 is).

[wgerrard]

Originally Posted by Santtu Määttänen

How about mechanically superb construction that wouldn't become obsolete the second sensors brakes down...

Do sensors break?

No more incentive exists for camera companies to build cameras with replaceable sensors than exists for personal computer makers to build computers with replaceable chips.

That you can replace a CPU in a PC has every thing to do with design issues and nothing to do with the manufacturer's good will. In addition, they don't have to worry about optics.

For an insight into how corporate marketers think, consider this: Intel wants to introduce a CPU chip that is "upgradeable". That does not mean replacing the chip. It means buying a magic card of sorts that, when deployed, bumps up the CPU's speed and enables additional capabilities previously locked out. A moment's consideration will lead to the realization that Intel wants to market a chip with many of its capabilities disabled, and to charge its customers to get at those capabilities.

[thegman]

Originally Posted by wgerrard

Do sensors break?

No more incentive exists for camera companies to build cameras with replaceable sensors than exists for personal computer makers to build computers with replaceable chips.

That you can replace a CPU in a PC has every thing to do with design issues and nothing to do with the manufacturer's good will. In addition, they don't have to worry about optics.

For an insight into how corporate marketers think, consider this: Intel wants to introduce a CPU chip that is "upgradeable". That does not mean replacing the chip. It means buying a magic card of sorts that, when deployed, bumps up the CPU's speed and enables additional capabilities previously locked out. A moment's consideration will lead to the realization that Intel wants to market a chip with many of its capabilities disabled, and to charge its customers to get at those capabilities.

IBM has been doing this for some time in high-end servers, you get processors and memory in the box, and then you can pay IBM to enable them. You can even pay just a week or a month of use, basically rent hardware already in your computer.

[wgerrard]

Originally Posted by thegman

IBM has been doing this for some time in high-end servers, you get processors and memory in the box, and then you can pay IBM to enable them. You can even pay just a week or a month of use, basically rent hardware already in your computer.

P.T. Barnum was right.

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by bwcolor

Does this camera produces a decent file/image? So much excitement over the form/ergonomics and so little information regarding end product.

Well, I think most of us just assume the X100 will great image quality based on Fuji's offerings in the past.

[dazedgonebye]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

Well, I think most of us just assume the X100 will great image quality based on Fuji's offerings in the past.

Basically, there's no reason to assume it won't be capable.
They make good lenses. There pretty much aren't any sensors out there you might call "bad." So unless the drop the ball in a serious way and are stupid enough to release the camera that way...

Will it match the latest and greatest FF sensors for resolution and low light capability? I think we can assume a no on that.

So, somewhere between competent and awesome seems an easy prediction.

[semilog]

Originally Posted by Santtu Määttänen

How about mechanically superb construction that wouldn't become obsolete the second sensors brakes down, specially after global shutter technology becomes available at affordable prices and there wouldn't be mechanical shutter to brake down.

Let's face it, those two things keep the milage on digital cameras rather low, shutters that brake and sensors that go bust. When talking about seriously well build cameras that is.

1. The alignment and positioning of the image sensor plane are *extremely* critical. Much more so than most realise. Setting up a system where users can routinely remove and replace sensors without screwing up this extremely critical adjustment would be, at best, notrivial.

Such systems would also add mechanical complexity and weight.

2. Sensor storage, cleanliness, and damage would be major issues.

3. The hardware portion of imaging pipelines is for the foreseeable future progressing faster than sensor tech. A new sensor with an old imaging pipeline would be stupid. Maintaining interface compatibility with the camera's computational systems (storage, AF, UI, exposure, etc.) would be limiting (since these systems would not be modular, presumably) and, again, would impose major design and manufacturing penalties over time.

4. At the prices that would likely have to be charged for such a modular system, the market would be small, further increasing costs due to a lack of economies of scale.

IMO, modular sensors would create many more serious problems than they would solve.

You watch. If someone is dumb enough to introduce a system like this in anything but high-end medium format, they will take a bath.

And if the modular system is (as rumored) from Olympus, it will be the third major system camera that they abandon in less than two decades (OM, 4/3, modular). I do love Olympus optics (especially their microscopes), but this is an error that they cannot afford to make.

Canon could afford to make such an error, but they are not stupid enough to do so.

[nksyoon]

Originally Posted by thegman

IBM has been doing this for some time in high-end servers, you get processors and memory in the box, and then you can pay IBM to enable them. You can even pay just a week or a month of use, basically rent hardware already in your computer.

Intel has started:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/18/i...can-already-d/