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Old 09-20-2010   #81
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e22k = nearly US$28,600. I'm betting that doesn't include the holster either.
At a 500 pc run that $14.3MM in revenues for a product most of the people who buy it will seldom, if ever use. Not a bad business if you can get it.

I think its a cool looking camera, but I don't think its breaking much new ground. Stylish -sure. Groundbreaking - not so much.

Maybe we mortals could start a petition to ask if they could spend maybe $25k of that revenue for a decent firmware update to the M8 for which we would gladly pay for anyway. Sorry...I know that horse is long dead.
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M10 spy photos released at Photokina...

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/...423985d2_z.jpg


very similar design to an old Fuji F601 designed by Porsche Design
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Old 09-20-2010   #83
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My first assumption was that this was just a joke...

It turns out that I was wrong. .
Haha, me too, my first thought was "funny photoshop!"

When it gradually dawned on me that it was the real thing, I actually felt pity for Leica! Because they were once a great company which made nice cameras, now they're down to making this!

It's like they couldn't find anyone competent to design it, so they got their summer student to do it. From the looks of the camera, I assume the summer student is some 18 y.o. kid who likes The Matrix, Anime movies, and writes Transformer fanfics.

All that being said, titanium is so 1990's! If they really wanted to be cutting edge, they would have made it out of graphite or carbon composites.

(Maybe it seems worse than it really is, coming on the heels of the spectacular Fuji X100...)
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I like it, after looking at some gallery photos; I think it looks and feels better in person. And it has a mineral crystal LCD cover and a hard wearing unique finish.
The electronic framelines are notable.
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by POS, I don't think he means "point of sale"....

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If nothing else, the does show that Leica is willing to throw away a lot of the traditional elements of the RF mechanism. Mebbe we can expect the LED thingo in the M10? Or perhaps and LCD (has anyone else done that yet? )
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I think it's definitely technlogy destined for the M10 ... strange to try it out on the market in a camera that will probably get very little use.

I wonder what there thinking was there?

Actually ... looking at the M9t they obviously weren't really thinking on this occasion!
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I would love to see a good digital body that would use the Leica glass. Maybe an optical system for the split image on the cam of the lens. A much better review screen, which should have been implemented would be much appreciated, but shelling out another 7 or 8 thousand to get what should have been, would not be.
I'd like to think that would've been the Hexar RF-D, which apparently did exist in prototype form. I cringe to think how many light-years ahead we might've been in the dRF world if Konica (yeah, Konica-Minolta if you insist) had kept-on-keepin'-on in the photo biz. But that's mere Monday-morning-quarterbacking on my part.

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If nothing else, the does show that Leica is willing to throw away a lot of the traditional elements of the RF mechanism. Mebbe we can expect the LED thingo in the M10? Or perhaps and LCD (has anyone else done that yet? )
Yes. Contax did it, even in my lil' Tvs. Shows you how behind the 8-ball Solms has been...


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this is a cruel joke played by Leica on all it's supporters. Now, the DSLR guys will just have to show us a pic of this camera to shut us up... *sigh*
*memory erase*

I could see someone using that holster grip and using this as a battering device. repeated strokes to the designer might help cure him. btw, I think it was designed VW designer Walter de Silva (ref Steve Huff site - http://goo.gl/reDx).
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Do they work and are they reliable or does that not matter since no one will be using them...???
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I don't know if it's more funny or sad. THIS is what they spend their time on? It's OFFENSIVE. Pathetic. It's a bad, bad joke. Leica treats its customer base like an ATM.

The hand strap comes in two sizes! Lens shade looks like it belongs on the end of an electric drill. Or inside a blender. A holster! Thank you, ever so much! Fargin iceholes.

The douche who actually sports one of these in public should get noogies.
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Rumors are the M9T won't have a sensor, since they will all be vacuum sealed by Leica and sold to collectors. Imagine the margins for L
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I dont know why people are getting in ahuff about this, Leica has a History going back decades when they were making 'the old gooduns' of making once off limited editions of stupid extravagance, why is this any different?
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I dont know why people are getting in ahuff about this, Leica has a History going back decades when they were making 'the old gooduns' of making once off limited editions of stupid extravagance, why is this any different?
I guess because times and sensibilities have changed and they seem to have failed to notice which in itself doesn`t bode well.

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I don't like that weird leather-loop thing. Give me a 95% discount and I'll try to live with it.
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Ugly, waaaay too expensive and you have to use it with a holster, because it won't come with strap lugs? Did Hermes buy Leica back?
Of course it has to be used with a holster: that will hide more or less how ugly it is . As I understand, it's a limited editon (500), probably for the same reason.

I guess reactions on the M5 must have been the same, and I like that one, so maybe in 30-40 years, somebody, somewhere, while drunk, will like the M9 Titanium (and I hope I will not have to eat those words sooner or later ).
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I guess because times and sensibilities have changed and they seem to have failed to notice which in itself doesn`t bode well.

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Not really, there were recessions before. They still produced gold plated M3, M4, M6, they produced a gold plated Barnack in times of severe poverty.

Leica has always been a company that caters to a higher end market, people seem to have forgot that all of the M series were epensive cameras when new, yes their quaity control has gone down, yes they are not as responsive as they could be, but its not terribily out of line with their general history.

I'm sure photographers who loved their M4's we're writing to each other aghast at a gold plated M4 that was going to forever live in its box and never shoot a roll. Same for the Barnac, M3, M6 etc etc.

Leica has a history of special editions, and people who pay 22k for a camera are not particularly touched by current situations to be honest, yes they have lost money, but not enough to effect their lifestyle. So I would say Leica has perfectly placed itself to raise 14 million in additions capital through the sale of 500 cameras. Makes good business sense to me.
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Yep. Works. And much cheaper. Also allows you to look at the lens scales ...



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this is a cruel joke played by Leica on all it's supporters. Now, the DSLR guys will just have to show us a pic of this camera to shut us up... *sigh*
*memory erase*
Why not these:

http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography...unei/index.htm

Even more ostentations than Titanium which at least has a theoretical value in hardness etc, and dont forget the M9T has some of the first innovations in the leica rangefinder design in 50 years.
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I hope thats the secret camera they were talking about and they are going to give away 10 in that facebook contest.


in a more serious note:
ugliest leica ever.
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I hope thats the secret camera they were talking about and they are going to give away 10 in that facebook contest.


in a more serious note:
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the Sultan of Brunei begs to differ
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Seems like a clever move by Leica for a number of reasons:

a) great free marketing by association for the standard M9 and rest of the brand
b) gets its name back into the billionaire's fashion pages
c) handily funds some R&D into LED framelines
d) testbed for new design concepts / manufacturing techniques
e) will establish links with a new set of ultra-rich customers who, a la Sultan of Brunei, may not be averse to commissioning bespoke versions, as such people can with their Bentley or Bugatti

Looks like the smart people are still in charge and I don't think they've lost the plot in the slightest.
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Yep. Works. And much cheaper. Also allows you to look at the lens scales ...



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Gonna go to Ace Hardware and buy me some a big tub of JB Weld. Led frame lines ... woohooo!!!
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The Nikon DL-1 provided a Lamp for illuminating the meter window. I replaced the burned out Lamp in mine with an LED, had to up the voltage. Lower Voltage LED's are around now.
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I don't believe we, ie users, are the target market. Start reading Hello magazine in a few months and I'll bet we see one draped on some film or rock star. A fashion accessory that has no place here.
On the subject of the D-lux 5, how can they be so blatant about it being the same as the LX5, rebodied and throw in some software we've probably already got and charge ££££££ for the red logo. Total scam and exactly the same as the lx3 v dlux 4 affair. I bought an lx3 and spent the difference this week on a Billingham 445.
There are obviously still plenty of people who don't mind being ripped off! IMHO of course
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Am I imagining things, or is the M9T godawful ugly?





I have a 'top of the line Audi' w/leather interior, but the leather is totally different to this....
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I have a 'top of the line Audi' w/leather interior, but the leather is totally different to this....

I was intrigued by that report ... apparently VW who own Audi were involved in this camera.

Maybe they meant the leather on the strap!
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Oh, and they have a black X1, too. Whee.
That's actually quite beautiful... but I'm already an X1 fan. Thank god for fuji on the "rangefinder" front...
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That's actually quite beautiful... but I'm already an X1 fan. Thank god for fuji on the "rangefinder" front...
Oh, it's nice. But it's not interesting. An X2 similar to the X100, that's interesting.
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I'm not going to lie, I don't dig that m9t at all. It's rather unharmonious looking to my eyes. Also that it costs £19,000 probably has something to do with it..
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Special edition Leicas have always been scorned. Remember the king of Thailand gold edition? They are not about functionality, they are purely about profit for the company, which is a GOOD thing isn't it? We all want Leica to survive.
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Good point. Aren't some of the reasons that many of us are so loyal to our Leicas the combination of ...

quick, sure handling ... extreme reliability in extreme conditions .... ? will this camera have those traits?

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This is a camera designed for the show case. No one will run even one roll of film through it...the new design details are irrelevant.
hahaha. Heard it comes with an 8gig roll that can hold all the pictures you'll ever shoot with the camera!

Hmmm, so what's the point of introducing the lit framelines now, if they won't be used? So much for 'field tested' improvements.

Why not make a limited run of M9's with the LED illumination and finger strap, and see if these things hold up in the real world?
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Not really, there were recessions before. They still produced gold plated M3, M4, M6, they produced a gold plated Barnack in times of severe poverty.

Leica has always been a company that caters to a higher end market, people seem to have forgot that all of the M series were epensive cameras when new, yes their quaity control has gone down, yes they are not as responsive as they could be, but its not terribily out of line with their general history.

I'm sure photographers who loved their M4's we're writing to each other aghast at a gold plated M4 that was going to forever live in its box and never shoot a roll. Same for the Barnac, M3, M6 etc etc.

Leica has a history of special editions, and people who pay 22k for a camera are not particularly touched by current situations to be honest, yes they have lost money, but not enough to effect their lifestyle. So I would say Leica has perfectly placed itself to raise 14 million in additions capital through the sale of 500 cameras. Makes good business sense to me.
Oh well ,put like that it is ,as you say, very much in context with their previous products.
Lets hope that it works out for them.

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Special edition Leicas have always been scorned. Remember the king of Thailand gold edition? They are not about functionality, they are purely about profit for the company, which is a GOOD thing isn't it? We all want Leica to survive.
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Innovation can lead to profit, I hear.
We're talking about the Leica M series here, a camera whohc has only had slight variations over the last 60 years, Leica ain't an innovator, nor do I persoanlly want them to be, I want simple uncomplicated reliable gear, not innovation.
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Found this image on the official M9T page - wonder if those models on the right were rejected M9T design models or ideas for the M10?

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