Fear and Loathing.

[Attwo]

We all have our favorite makes of camera. Some of us may have a few depending on format and type of usage.

That's all completely normal, but why would anyone "hate", or have a "morbid fear" of a particular camera make or model?

Does anyone have "ill-wishes" for any camera company?

[Austerby]

I regard Canons in the same way as I regard BMWs - no doubt good at what they do but I could never imagine owning one. It's not a hate or ill-wish, but I do regard them as "bad" in a way that, say, Nikon or Audi are "good". Perhaps its down to the marketing but it's entirely unjustifiable - it's just that some brands and products put me off, others are very desirable.

[Sparrow]

I'm not that sure about Audi these days, a lot of them seem to have ex-BMW drivers behind the wheel ...

[capito]

I hold Canikon in similar regard as Microsoft. Mediocre products which everyone buys.

[jsrockit]

I just don't think about cameras that I don't like. I only worry about the ones I do like.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by Attwo

Does anyone have "ill-wishes" for any camera company?

Waht a weird question, but I'll play. NO.

[filmfan]

haha this is hilarious. Ill-wishes towards a camera brand? This is pure gearhead extremism.

[FrankS]

Anyone who has read camera forums over the last 5 years surely has read anti-Leica posts which range from the mild and rational (I prefer brand X more than Leica because...) to the extreme and irrational (Leica owners are more interested in buying bling/jewelry than photography, they are fondlers and posers, they have more money than brains to pay so much....).

The anti-Leica attitude was seen strongly in the strangest place: the Leica forum at PNet. The lovable late Al Kaplan, a life-long Leica user was chased and banished from Pnet for his defense of Leica use. The positive out of that was that he ended up here at RFF and found a friendlier place.

Anti-Leica attitude reached a crescendo with the introduction of the M8 and the issues it had. For some reason, an M8 thread at RFF released such strong emotions (pro and con) that moderators were busiest trying to keep M8 threads from getting out of control and disintegrating into personal attacks.

I'm not sure how anyone could not be aware of the anti-Leica attitude present on internet photography forums. This is what Roger is referring to.

[ruby.monkey]

I think it goes something like this:

• There are many people in the world.
• Some of these people are insane.
• Some of these insane people express their insanity by tying their self-worth to the brands they own.
• Some of these insane people who tie their self-worth to the brands they own, view a taste for different brands as an implication that 'their' brands are inferior.
• ... and therefore that they are inferior.
• ... and so they must attack these other brands (and the brands' adherents) in order to protect their own self-worth.
• ... and, having done so, they can bask in the glow of being the stalwart defender of their brands against the onslaught of the unwashed, ignorant masses.

Or maybe they just need to go out and get laid.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by FrankS

I'm not sure how anyone could not be aware of the anti-Leica attitude present on internet photography forums. This is what Roger is referring to.

Oh... that's the secret question???

Well, maybe I should re-consider my answer.

(hornets nest) <------ POKE

[Jamie123]

I don't necessarily hate them or wish them ill but I'm a little annoyed by the Impossible Project. The quality of their products, the prices and their marketing are almost insulting. It's like they think they can get away with anything because the people who are into instant film are suckers anyways.

[SimonSawSunlight]

Originally Posted by ruby.monkey

I think it goes something like this:

• There are many people in the world.
• Some of these people are insane.
• Some of these insane people express their insanity by tying their self-worth to the brands they own.
• Some of these insane people who tie their self-worth to the brands they own, view a taste for different brands as an implication that 'their' brands are inferior.
• ... and therefore that they are inferior.
• ... and so they must attack these other brands (and the brands' adherents) in order to protect their own self-worth.
• ... and, having done so, they can bask in the glow of being the stalwart defender of their brands against the onslaught of the unwashed, ignorant masses.

Or maybe they just need to go out and get laid.

this shall be written upon my wall.

[Jamie123]

Originally Posted by FrankS

I'm not sure how anyone could not be aware of the anti-Leica attitude present on internet photography forums. This is what Roger is referring to.

My grandmother is totally unaware of the anti-Leica attitude on internet photography forums. Just saying.

[John Lawrence]

[quote=Attwo;1393917]

That's all completely normal, but why would anyone "hate", or have a "morbid fear" of a particular camera make or model?

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... sometimes the 'hate' part is just down to jealousy.

John

[FrankS]

Originally Posted by Jamie123

My grandmother is totally unaware of the anti-Leica attitude on internet photography forums. Just saying.

The beginning of my post read "...anyone who has read internet photo forums over the last 5 years..."

It's a little frustrating trying to make a point when others are nit-picking, or adding nothing but "clever" remarks.

It's about as helpful as pointing out spelling mistakes.

[Gumby]

Originally Posted by FrankS

It's a little frustrating trying to make a point when others are nit-picking, or adding nothing but "clever" remarks.

[Mcary]

Originally Posted by Attwo

We all have our favorite makes of camera. Some of us may have a few depending on format and type of usage.

That's all completely normal, but why would anyone "hate", or have a "morbid fear" of a particular camera make or model?

Does anyone have "ill-wishes" for any camera company?

Just visit POTN and say something positive about any camera in the world but Canon and see what happens

[back alley]

this thread started off on a sour note, kinda negative...let's make sure it doesn't head further south...

[Paul Luscher]

Would have to say Canons, then Nikons. Not that these are bad cameras, but Canons have never had any appeal for me. Never thought much of the AE-1, and that determined my feeling about Canons.

Nikons: Have A NIkon F, but that's it. Probably because of the historical nature of the camera. Had Nikon rangefinders, but did not find them to be a good experience. And their SLRs & DSLRs have never had any appeal to me.

[Attwo]

Originally Posted by back alley

this thread started off on a sour note, kinda negative...let's make sure it doesn't head further south...

It certainly was'n't meant to be sour. Just trying to understand the zeitgeist.

Originally Posted by FrankS

Anyone who has read camera forums over the last 5 years surely has read anti-Leica posts ...

I'm not sure how anyone could not be aware of the anti-Leica attitude present on internet photography forums. This is what Roger is referring to.

This is my first and only experience of an photo equipment orientated forum, so this would explain that.

Originally Posted by jsrockit

I just don't think about cameras that I don't like. I only worry about the ones I do like.

This is exactly my own feeling too, so I can't understand the underlying angst and paranoia of what I read by another member.

[Rogrund]

I didn't like my first SLR very much, a Praktica super TL. I bought it in 1978, when I was eleven.

[Rogrund]

Originally Posted by back alley

this thread started off on a sour note, kinda negative...let's make sure it doesn't head further south...

I believe it's a spin-off to this thread...

[Joe Brugger]

I've always had an irrational fear of the Contarex, myself.

[Roger Hicks]

Originally Posted by Rogrund

I believe it's a spin-off to this thread...

Indeed it must be. Attwo seems determined to pick a fight, and to come as close to personal insult as he dares, because he has a problem with the word 'Leicaphobia' and prefers his own interpretation of the English language to that of the Oxford English Dictionary. 'Morbid fear' is his personal fantasy. Which is why I've put him on ignore.

Cheers,

R.

[Roger Hicks]

Originally Posted by Joe Brugger

I've always had an irrational fear of the Contarex, myself.

Or the twin-lens Contaflex. Anything that complicated HAS to go wrong sometime -- and probably expensively wrong at that.

Cheers,

R.