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Old 06-04-2010   #41
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It's not small or light, but it's quite manageable. I used to walk around all day with it. You might have trouble if you are what the old Charles Atlas ads in comic books used to call a "90 pound weakling." But as an overweight middle age guy with a bad back, I managed just fine.
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Old 06-04-2010   #42
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Agreed, Pablito! For not being small or light, it carries amazingly well over a shoulder, with a wide strap. I like "vertical" carry, using the two right-side strap lugs, and put it over the right shoulder. Then, reaching with the right hand gets a good grip right away as I bring the camera to eye level.

But, I like the accessory right-side wood grip (as shown above) even better, so instead the camera hangs from the left shoulder on the left side strap lugs and my first grip is with the left hand. This has been a good way to carry it.
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i'm sure it gets heavy if you hold it in your hands for half an hour, but it never came to that. i let it hang off my shoulder vertically with an upstrap. i used the new version of the 200/4, so that helped reduce weight further. that rig never strained my hands.
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I've never seriously considered Pentax 67 and I don't know why as Takumar lenses are amongst the finest I've used - I've got several for my Spotmatic. Judging by the results I've seen the 67 lenses are of the same standard. Great shot above Cyrille! You'd better stop this talk Keith...

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I'm also watching that 67ii system on Oz ebay to see where it goes ... and my Bronica RF645 is looking nervous along with some other gear that doesn't see the daylight too often!
Speaking of cameras in dark places, don't forget that you've got three Rolleis sitting here in a filing cabinet drawer if you need to fund a new purchase!
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I've never seriously considered Pentax 67 and I don't know why as Takumar lenses are amongst the finest I've used - I've got several for my Spotmatic. Judging by the results I've seen the 67 lenses are of the same standard. Great shot above Cyrille! You'd better stop this talk Keith...



Speaking of cameras in dark places, don't forget that you've got three Rolleis sitting here in a filing cabinet drawer if you need to fund a new purchase!


LOL ... I knew you'd mention those and what a good idea ... I know you're looking after them well Wayne!

I think I'm definitely a person who likes to have a camera at eye level ... I can't see myself ditching the Hassselblad but I'll definitely consider a prism finder because it's such a fine camera and I love that 80m Planar that's on it!

Meanwhile the 67ii on eBay torments me!
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Keith - if you'd like to try the Hassie prism finder I can lend you a PM viewfinder.
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I have a metered prism 6x7 with MLU ... wow, it's a brute of a camera. I find it heavy and not very ergonomic. But ... every time I develop my neg's I'm amazed at the picture quality. The 105mm F2.8 lens is an especially wonderful piece of glass. Excruciatingly sharp with wonderful, fluid bokeh.

The Mamiya7 is also a nice unit (never owned one) but it's probably considerably more expensive than a decent Pentax 6x7 + lens.

I've handled a Mamiya Super Press ... I'd dare say it's even bigger than a Pentax 6x7. It has the advantages of interchangeable film masks for 6x6 6x7 and 6x9 if I remember correctly. The lenses are supposed to be pretty good, but I've never heard anyone rave about them. These cameras are getting harder to find it seems, although they pop up on fleabay. My local antique camera vendor has one on his shelf right now, he wants $290 (Canadian), with a 90mm lens, I think. So they're cheaper than a Pentax 6x7, but you don't get metering or the same flexibility in lenses.
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I just done my switch last two months - selling M8, CV 101 T, Rollei T, ... to Pentax 67.

I did try and still have my old Hassey lens bought last year with 4 lens. The issue with Hassey is that even if 2 Prism, it is not easy to handhold on eye level. I even got the grip .... but even with it, it is much worst than Pentax 67 in handling.

I ended with now 7 lens (55, 90 both LS and non-LS, 135, 165LS, 200, 300 nonEDIF) and NII plus nearly 3 extension tube, Helicord and reverse adapter. I even have the one for using my Leica/CV screw mount. So far very happy. Even using some of these lens with my D300 and it is okish, especially the 55F4.

I did miss leaf shutter lens as hand hold at 1/30 is a luck issue with 67 even with mirror lock ... I looked at Mamiya 67RZ, may be that is an even better option but once again the modular design frighten me after Hassey. Hence, no 1/15 like one taken with my Rollei T. Also, it is non-Zeiss, non-Leica, non-Rollei, non-..., only 1/30 sync speed for flash and it has no interchangable backs, ... But I think Pentax 67 is a good compromise especially NII Is such an advance camera - I like its spot meter, very good for my Velvia 50 picture taken.

The only one thing I really hate is it is very hard to load film to it. I started my film experience with medium format from 2004 with lots of these loading :-) Holga, Yaschica 124G, Bronica 6x6 and 645, 6x9 back on 4x5, Hassey, Rollei, ... a lot but nothing as bad as Pentax 67. I do not expect it would act like my autoload Fuji 645Zi but somehow I go through all the possible advice on the web and there is no good way to load it quick. I do not want to carry 2 body and someone said using 220 is hard on NII.

Hence, if you can survive the slowness to load film, I recommend 6x7 even if it is not a RF and full of limitations which I bet many of us can live with.
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After reading this I am inspired to get out my 67II and do some shooting. I used to shoot a lot of landscapes and used a 67 for a few years and then got a 67II. 67II was a nice improvement with less vibration and with the AE prism. I have a collapsed vertebra in my mid back so weight is an issue for me. I can’t say enough about the amazing image quality and size and lens quality. Even though I haven’t used the camera for several years I just can’t bare to get rid of it. I have some 120 b&w film that I purchased a few months ago so I guess I had better get it out and use it.
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Old 06-06-2010   #50
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Let the incentive continue! Used the 200mm f/4, braced but no tripod. Using 400 speed film allowed a short exposure. Big print looks awesome...(a jetliner in the center with some detail)
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Old 06-07-2010   #51
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I love mine too... and the 105/f2.4 has a beautiful bokeh and 3D effect...







I just do not use it enough!!
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I love mine too... and the 105/f2.4 has a beautiful bokeh and 3D effect...
I just do not use it enough!!
I have to agree, I wonder why the 105mm has this 3D look. This isn't mine but it also has that look (Tommy Oshima):

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Damn you...Damn you all!!!

I had serious gas for this rig earlier in the spring. This thread did it:

Just bought a 67 with metered prism on eBay.

Now for some lenses. Oh and I guess I've gotta sell some stuff!
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Damn you...Damn you all!!!

I had serious gas for this rig earlier in the spring. This thread did it:

Just bought a 67 with metered prism on eBay.

Now for some lenses. Oh and I guess I've gotta sell some stuff!
Be sure to look at the 'new' F4 55mm. Mine is really something
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Be sure to look at the 'new' F4 55mm. Mine is really something
My list (which I put together in the spring...GAS is hilarious really) is:

165/2.8

105/2.4

55/4 or

45/4

I have a project in mind (actually two) for this camera. I think the 55/4 will be just right for a lot of the work with the 105 for some of it. The 165 is for portraits which I would really like to work on a bit.

There's also the 200/4 which is cheap as chips, but I don't know that I'll need a third lens.
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I think the 165 has a built in leaf shutter so it can be used with flash at any speed. The 1/30 max shutter speed is a drawback for the Pentax 67. I have the 105 and the 55 and am happy. I'm not sure I'll get any more lenses. The 165 with leaf shutter is tempting though. I also have waist finder which is wonderful. You can probably find one cheap. It is very easy to use for indoor work with low light and portraits. Good luck.
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Gian definitely hasn't helped the cause here ... if I get a Pentax 67 I'll definitely want the 105mm f2.4 after seeing those!

The 67ii seems like quite a modern camera compared to the earlier versions and I do have a prefence for in camera metering ... when I have a meter with me I never seem to quite know what to do with it when I'm not actually using it.

Obviously a bit of a price premium for the later camera though!
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Come to think of it I'm amazed that 'venchka' (Wayne) hasn't made an apperance in this thread ... he's a big fan of the Pentax 67 from memory.

Hope he's OK ... haven't seen a post from him for a while!
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I love mine too... and the 105/f2.4 has a beautiful bokeh and 3D effect...
Nice shots. I suppose that's a pretty fast lens for that focal length/format & obviously gives very narrow DOF.
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There are two 165mm lenses, an f/4 with leaf shutter, and an f/2.8 without. Earlier on, there was a leaf shutter 90mm f/2.8, and the current no-shutter 90/2.8 as well.

A clue to earlier lenses is the Takumar name, which was given up sometime before the camera name change from Pentax 6x7 to Pentax 67. After Takumar, the lenses were called SMC Pentax 6x7. Newer lenses bear the Pentax-67 name.

Some lenses had optical differences between versions. The earliest 55mm was an f/3.5 Takumar with a very large front element, IIRC it used 100mm filters. The big Pentax 55mm lenses got a reputation for fine performance. About 1979 a new f/4 "Pentax 6x7" 55mm was introduced that used 77mm filters... much different in appearance and optics. The third and last version was "Pentax 67" 55mm f/4 which looked very similar to the previous model, but went from 9 elements in 8 groups to 8 elements in 7 groups. These are all excellent lenses, but it's useful to be aware of the different versions.

The 200mm f/4 also changed quite a bit... The S-M-C Takumar 6X7 200mm f/4 of 1971 is the same optically as the original Super Takumar 6X7 200mm f/4 of 1969 with 4 element design. Was redesigned in 1986 for lighter weight, a 5th element, closer focus, f/32, and filter size 77mm instead of 67mm... now "SMC Pentax 67".

There were also three different 75mm lenses... a regular 75mm f/4.5, and a larger manual-diaphragm Shift 75/4.5. Then one of the last lenses added to the 67 system (2001) was a smaller lighter Aspheric 75mm f/2.8 SMC Pentax 67 AL.

There are a couple of macro lenses to be aware of... First the original 135mm f/4.0 SMC Macro-Takumar 6x7 that had changes in the name and minor cosmetic changes over the years, easy to find on the market. With 5/3 construction it could well be a Heliar formula, like the small-format Pentax f/4 100mm macro. A bit confusingly, there's a later (March 1998) 100mm f/4.0 SMCP-67 Macro to replace the 135mm. This one has a front-screw-in "Life Size Adapter" allowing 1:1 magnification. It is a 6 element 4 group lens (obviously not a Heliar), and the Adapter is 3 elements.

There have been a lot of interesting lenses in the 6x7/67 lineup, as it's quite a rich system starting from 1969 but I think most didn't have optical changes (other than coating changes) across the various name and cosmetic changes.
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Damn you...Damn you all!!!
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I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps not Hell, but Purgatory yall do not deserve to suffer for ever.

That 105 quite frankly seems to paint light that jumps off the page (read screen).

Any posts from the 45 and/or 55?

I mean after all, I might as well explode!

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I was thinking the same thing. Perhaps not Hell, but Purgatory yall do not deserve to suffer for ever.

That 105 quite frankly seems to paint light that jumps off the page (read screen).

Any posts from the 45 and/or 55?

I mean after all, I might as well explode!

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I'm not sure what posts from the 45 and/or 55 means. As I've said I very much like my 55 F4:

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...Any posts from the 45 and/or 55?
I mean after all, I might as well explode!
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Here are a couple with the 45mm at the Ballard Locks, Seattle, very shortly after I picked up this eBay purchase from the seller. Couldn't wait to try it out...




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Here are a couple with the 45mm at the Ballard Locks, Seattle, very shortly after I picked up this eBay purchase from the seller. Couldn't wait to try it out...
I used to live close to those locks (Crightendon Locks??). When I went across the walk way that you show there was only one railing. You really held on to that one railing when you were 7. Nice shots.
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I used to live close to those locks (Crightendon Locks??). When I went across the walk way that you show there was only one railing. You really held on to that one railing when you were 7. Nice shots.
Thanks! The locks on the Lake Union Ship Canal were named for Hiram Chittenden of the US Army Corps of Engineers. My cousin lives in Ballard, but my closest residence was in Northgate.
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Here's an old one using my non-MLU 6x7 and early 55mm f/4 with Ektachrome 200
Black Rock at Kaanapali, Maui, November 1981.

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Light, portable and quiet... are three words that have nothing to do with this camera, but I love my 6x7.





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Sikario, 3D, 3D, 3D! Very nice.
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You'll have to forgive the hyperbole to follow, but it is impossible to overstate the difference between what you see on screen with the (admittedly excellent) photos in this thread and the detail and richness of the negatives and prints possible with this camera. The internet is the great leveler in this respect, as there is little perceivable difference between the output of a 5mp digicam with a sensor the size of a lentil and the output of a Pentax 67, when presented here. A 6x7 cm B&W negative can capture a mind-boggling amount of detail over a tonal range that will leave gob-smacked HDR practitioners witless and crying for their mommas. Also, the shutter has a satisfying thunk. Consider a tripod for exposures lower than 1/60 with this bad boy and savor each exposure like an oenophile swilling the last drop of a vanishing, great vintage. My own lenses: 55/3.5, 90/2.8, 105/2.5 and 165/2.8. Personally, I hand meter. For macros=extension tubes.
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@Sikario:
Which lens(es) and film(s), please?

Actually, i probably shouldn't ask. I've owned Pentax 67IIs twice before, and am looking for any excuse to acquire another.... I prolly should try the Mamiya 7, though....
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All were taken with the 105mm f/2.4, it's the only lens I own for the 6x7.

From top to bottom the films used were Kodak E100GP, Kodak Ektar and Fuji Velvia 50.

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Which lens(es) and film(s), please?

Actually, i probably shouldn't ask. I've owned Pentax 67IIs twice before, and am looking for any excuse to acquire another.... I prolly should try the Mamiya 7, though....
I went through this arc. The Mamiya is a fine camera, but the lenses don't focus close enough for the kind of images I like. It is the antithesis of the P67, quiet where the Pentax is loud, hand-holdable where the P67 really wants a tripod. But I just kept wishing I could take a half-step forward all of the time. In the end, of all the cameras I have sold, I missed it the least.

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gian: tremendoes black and white portraits! I have been eyeing this for camera for a while, but can't justify it as I already have a 6x6...

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Here's an old one using my non-MLU 6x7 and early 55mm f/4 with Ektachrome 200
Black Rock at Kaanapali, Maui, November 1981.
Awesome! Must have been one heck of a fun trip.
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the pentax 6x7 was a great machine. the one thing that i didn't jive with is that most of the time you have to hold the base of the lens with one hand (if shooting handheld) and all the lenses i tried had sloppy aperture rings. i am sure age had something to do with it and perhaps folks can offer up their experiences with it. maybe having the lenses cla'd or having a repair shop work some magic and sort that out.

the 105 was something to behold really. a lovely, lovely lens.
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I should get a 6x7 pretty soon

So you'd be making regular vists to the gym in preparation?

I look forward to some pics!


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it comes with a 55 and 90 mm plus metered prism

I will get then, in a few month (if I get the job I applied for) , a 135 macro i think
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That 105 sure looks nice! Where Pentax trumps the competition is the great lens selection- and for cheap. You can get a whole P67 kit for the cost of a Mamiya 7 50mm! Sometimes I regret getting a Mamiya 7 for this reason, but its ease of use is damn endearing!
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I meant to add something here that I find interesting!

Sometimes when you get gas for a particular camera and start a thread as I did here and go through the motions of discussing it to death and absorbing all the opinions and adulation within the thread ... you get over it and move on ... the gas seems to disipate naturally and you suddenly realise that the last thing you really need is another camera for the collection that already contains cameras that don't get enough use! Well it never happened with the big Pentax ... the more I thought about it the more I wanted one.

The 67ii that I subsequently bought from 'barnwulf' is not a camera you use without having a plan in mind ... you don't casually pick up a 5lb (with lens) medium format SLR and wander off to take some pics ... it's not that sort of camera. Often though I will take it out of the cupboard and sit it on the desk in the evening and just stare in awe at it ... that part will never change!

I intend spending the day with it next week in the dry valley behind Brisbane where the old abandoned farms and bleached winter grasses are just begging to be photographed.
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