Tri X slides here!

berci · 07-05-2005

Hi,

I was wandering if I copied my Tri X negatives with a slide copier onto Tri X, would I get Tri X slides?

Has anyone ever tried this?

Berci #:-]

onnovisser · 07-05-2005

well, wouldn't you get a negative? not a positive? You would have to make a internegative first.. it think.. Make tri-x out of tr-x and than a slide .. Wouldn;t b/w slides be easier?

berci · 07-05-2005

If you take a picture of a negative, it will be positive, wont it? That's the base of my idea, so the internegative would be a positive on ordinary bw film.

laptoprob · 07-05-2005

twice negative should be positive. Theoretically. Interesting, please keep me posted!

BJ Bignell · 07-05-2005

You would get positive copies of your Tri-X negatives, I guess. The dark areas (highlights) on your negatives would receive less exposure on the copy film, and therefore when developed would turn into clear areas (just like shadows).

Just might work. The only thing to be concerned about is the colour/density of the base. I've never seen a truly colourless, clear negative. This could cause lower contrast in the copy phase, and then again lower contrast and brightness in the projected image.

I suggest you try it, and shows us your results!

Nick R. · 07-05-2005

There are kits available to make B&W slides from ordinary negative film. There's a discussion on this subject going on over at pnet in the B&W film forum. This is done during the processing phase .

Pherdinand · 07-05-2005

interesting, keep us posted about the results! (I know you will try to do it hehe)

phototone · 07-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by berci

Hi,

I was wandering if I copied my Tri X negatives with a slide copier onto Tri X, would I get Tri X slides?

Has anyone ever tried this?

Berci #:-]

Yes, you would get positives, but they would not look very good, as Tri-x is not optimized as a positive film, and it has a tint to the film base.

The Professional way to get b/w slides from b/w negatives is to contact print the negatives onto "Positive Release Stock" made by Kodak for making release prints of black and white movies.

This is a blue sensitive material that can confidently be handled and processed in normal b/w safelite darkroom, and developed by inspection in a developer such as Dektol print developer. It is quite capable of making beautiful projection slides from well exposed b/w negatives.

I am not aware if this film is still available, but it used to be available in 35mm 100ft bulk cores, just like the bulk rolls of camera films such as tri-x. It was very economical, costing a fraction of what the average camera film cost, and it has an ISO of about 8. You can (as I stated earlier) handle this in a bright orange safelight, and cut off a strip of it, and using a contact printing frame, sandwich it and a strip of 35mm b/w negatives together, and then expose this, just like a proof sheet, to the light from your enlarger, then you can process the strip by hand in a tray of dektol, although for fixing you would want to substitute a fixer designed for film, rather than the weaker fix normally used for prints. Then wash for a few minutes, photoflo and hang up the strips just like camera film. (although shorter). Processed in this way, the result is a beautiful full tonality transparency of the original negative. The base of this film stock, when processed and dried, is crystal clear.

phototone · 07-05-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by berci

Hi,

I was wandering if I copied my Tri X negatives with a slide copier onto Tri X, would I get Tri X slides?

Has anyone ever tried this?

Berci #:-]

Yes, you would get positives, but they would not look very good, as Tri-x is not optimized as a positive film, and it has a tint to the film base.

The Professional way to get b/w slides from b/w negatives is to contact print the negatives onto "Positive Release Stock" made by Kodak for making release prints of black and white movies.

This is a blue sensitive material that can confidently be handled and processed in normal b/w safelite darkroom, and developed by inspection in a developer such as Dektol print developer. It is quite capable of making beautiful projection slides from well exposed b/w negatives.

I am not aware if this film is still available, but it used to be available in 35mm 100ft bulk cores, just like the bulk rolls of camera films such as tri-x. It was very economical, costing a fraction of what the average camera film cost, and it has an ISO of about 8. You can (as I stated earlier) handle this in a bright orange safelight, and cut off a strip of it, and using a contact printing frame, sandwich it and a strip of 35mm b/w negatives together, and then expose this, just like a proof sheet, to the light from your enlarger, then you can process the strip by hand in a tray of dektol, although for fixing you would want to substitute a fixer designed for film, rather than the weaker fix normally used for prints. Then wash for a few minutes, photoflo and hang up the strips just like camera film. (although shorter). Processed in this way, the result is a beautiful full tonality transparency of the original negative. The base of this film stock, when processed and dried, is crystal clear.

titrisol · 07-05-2005

YES, but I'd copy them in a slower film like TMAX100, but the base color tinge maybe objectionable.... but you can always use them as internegative

You can also use one of the clear base films, such as copex rapid, bluefire, macos or such.

You can use a lot of different exposure/color/filter combinations in there as well to copy color negatives.

Quote:

Originally Posted by berci

Hi,

I was wandering if I copied my Tri X negatives with a slide copier onto Tri X, would I get Tri X slides?

Has anyone ever tried this?

Berci #:-]

SolaresLarrave · 07-05-2005

You can always send your B&W film to David Wood (www.dr5.com) so it's turned into slides, with mount and everything. At least that's how I used up all the Tri-X and T-Max I had left before shooting only slide film.

Not bad results... but kinda pricy ($22 per roll of 36 exposures).

Kin Lau · 07-05-2005

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Originally Posted by phototone

The Professional way to get b/w slides from b/w negatives is to contact print the negatives onto "Positive Release Stock" made by Kodak for making release prints of black and white movies.

I am not aware if this film is still available, but it used to be available in 35mm 100ft bulk cores, just like the bulk rolls of camera films such as tri-x.

I think I might have ended up with a roll of this. I bought a bulk-loader which came with a roll of "white" film and someone wrote "POS" on the loader. I've got it stored in a light-proof bag for now.