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Old 03-15-2010   #51
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I had both for a while. M7 was clearly better in some ways:
- lightmeter diodes of the Hexar were for me hard to be seen: they are small and there are a lot of these diodes. I like the bigger but fewer diodes of the M7.
- M7 lays better in the hand (M7 roundings).
- quieter shutter of M7.
- Most importantly: almost all my Leitz lenses + ZM biogon didn't focus tack sharp on the Hexar (thats why I sold the Hexar)
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- Most importantly: almost all my Leitz lenses + ZM biogon didn't focus tack sharp on the Hexar (thats why I sold the Hexar)
There is no magic. The bayonet is exactly the same, but your Hexar's rangefinder certainly needed an adjustment.
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There is no magic. The bayonet is exactly the same, but your Hexar's rangefinder certainly needed an adjustment.
No I checked that all, it is surely not the mount as such. If you followed discussions short after introduction of the Hexar, then you will notice that the Hexar is supposed to have a slightly different lensflange to film distance compared to the Leica standard. So in order to have your Leitz and other lenses (apart from the Hexanons) focusing tack sharp, you will have to get the Hexar adjusted. I read that many Hexars have been adjusted (in Germany), but apparantly not the one that I had.

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Old 03-17-2010   #54
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This is an old controversy, with some users experiencing focus errors, sometimes will ALL lenses, Konica or otherwise, and some having no trouble at all, and even doubting the truth of the others' statements. It can get vigorous!

I think the most likely explanation offered is that Konica used wider +/- tolerances for the lens flange parts and fitting, and that in some cases the errors were mostly stacked to one side of the allowed range, adding up to a problem with that particular camera body. (As I heard it, any competent repairman could bring it into spec) Some bodies were perfectly fine, as any dimensional errors were either minimal and/or canceled each other out. Konica took a lot of heat on this, and it may be that tolerances were tightened up at some point in production.

I have two Hexar RFs, both of which accurately focus Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander lenses. (Well, that was before one of them was "fixed" by Precision Camera, and now focuses ok with one CV lens and back-focuses with another) I don't have any Konica lenses...
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Old 03-23-2010   #55
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What?

You mean there are OTHER M-mount cameras besides the Hexar RF?



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Old 04-06-2010   #56
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out of the two, i would choose the Hexar for two main reasons:

1) it is more affordable
2) it is just as good, and better in some areas (shutter speeds esp) than the M7.

Honestly though, i would prefer an Ikon to either. I found my Hexar to be a wonderful camera, but it lacked personality.
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If I wanted an easy-to-carry camera, I would take the Hexar.

If I wanted image quality, I would take the Mamiya 7.

I own two Mamiya 6s and a Hexar AF. I like the Hexar AF. I do most of my work with the Mamiyas. Personally, I find the image quality of medium format makes 35mm unappealing and I am willing to put up with the limitations of the medium-format cameras because of that.

But this is a very personal choice. I would imagine a large number of photographers would make the opposite decision.
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The first question is whether you would really sink $2,000 plus into a 35mm film camera in 2010. That goes most of the way toward how I would answer a question like that.

But the more detailed answer is that the Hexar is lighter, smaller (than an M7 with a winder), easier to load, has a more logical control layout, faster shutter speeds (not a trivial consideration when you consider that many Leica lenses are past their optical prime at f/8), and immunity to shutter curtain burn-through.

But the one thing that always seems to be overlooked in a Hexar's finder is that the graph-style shutter speed demonstrates the number of stops' difference between the metered exposure and the manually set exposure. Leica viewfinders - even the one on my M8 - have information displays that are pretty deficient by comparison - in manual, you don't even know what speed the camera is set to - fairly hazardous with a shutter speed dial that spins all the way around.
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Well said, Dante.
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Hexar

A few weeks ago i finally got an m7, i sold it right away, always used an m6 and couldnīt find the m7 better enough than the m6!

Compared to the zeiss, no comments (at least here).

I decided at last to go for a hexar which i buyed yesterday, hope itīll be here on one week.

This thread was very very usefull!

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Old 05-09-2010   #61
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Noticing that this thread is in the konica area, I suspect that the poll biases a bit towards the hexar. Unavoidable, that.

I agree that money is better spent elsewhere, such as lenses.
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All the technical differences have been covered already in this thread, but the one difference that stood out most to me when I owned both a Hexar RF and M6 TTL's was that the Hexar was just plain fun! I loved my Leicas dearly, but fun is not a word that springs to mind when describing them.

The Hexar felt like a really cool point and shoot that just happened to mount the best lenses on the planet.
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I am waiting for the parcel with the Hexar RF in it and I am expecting much right now. Hope my lenses will work without a problem.
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Old 05-10-2010   #64
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Provided all is in working order, I believe you'll be quite satisfied with this camera.


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Great Camera Indeed!

Hi, today it arrived, new condition as advertised!

Great feeling in my hands, nice vf, bright framelines, 0.60 mag i guess is not the best at 1.2.

Itīs like my gone g2 but with 100% perfect focus!
The lock button although is a little ambiguous works fine, canīt tell as it goes older.
Grips firmly....Wow!
Beautiful black chrome, very thin camera, iīll say farewell to my CLE

Just loaded it with Portra 400 and gonna get some pics!

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Today my Hexar RF arrived.
The viewfinder seems to be totally misaligned. One of the two pictures I have to align in the viewfinder "hangs down". So if I align an object at infinity the two pictures match horizontally but not vertically.
Is it possible to repair this? Where? How much?

Bad start in this week.
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Missalignment

Hi Tom, it happened to me the same, thought it was out of alignment too, but after a while discovered i had to position my eye in a exact place, try this, since then i have perfect alignment.

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Hi Tom, it happened to me the same, thought it was out of alignment too, but after a while discovered i had to position my eye in a exact place, try this, since then i have perfect alignment.

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Hi, sorry to hear that! Hope you get it ok soon!

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Today my Hexar RF arrived.
The viewfinder seems to be totally misaligned. One of the two pictures I have to align in the viewfinder "hangs down". So if I align an object at infinity the two pictures match horizontally but not vertically.
Is it possible to repair this? Where? How much?

Bad start in this week.
Finally I decided to do the DIY focus adjustment. With the mail help of one RFF member and the description I did the operation and it looks not bad. The first film showed me that I am very close but it still needs some fine tuning that I did today. I hope with this it will be fully usable. Maybe the camera and I become friends at the end.

The camera has a good usability. Love the layout of the dials.
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Finally I decided to do the DIY focus adjustment. With the mail help of one RFF member and the description I did the operation and it looks not bad. The first film showed me that I am very close but it still needs some fine tuning that I did today. I hope with this it will be fully usable. Maybe the camera and I become friends at the end.

The camera has a good usability. Love the layout of the dials.
Hi, great you solved it by your own means.

After all i got the same problem. First i thought it was ok, but after developing. kaputt! completely out of alignment!

I searched in the forum and found very useful threads, so at last i performed the adjusting myself and now itīs ok!

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I have two Hexar RFs, both of which accurately focus Leica, Zeiss, and Voigtlander lenses. (Well, that was before one of them was "fixed" by Precision Camera, and now focuses ok with one CV lens and back-focuses with another) I don't have any Konica lenses...
I imagine if cameras and dogs could talk Hexar RFs and dogs have a lot to talk about when it comes to being fixed.
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I can't believe that people keep blathering Ikon or MP etc ... the OP made his question perfectly clear ... it's a poll for gawd's sake not a discussion on what may be the best rangefinder for you.

If you don't want to vote for either option just go away!

I'm with Krosya ... I like the Hexar!
Me too on all counts. The Hexar is a fine camera and it's a shame it got lost in the shuffle when Konica was absorbed by Sony.

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...everlasting reliability/quality is not an issue to consider...
I would choose hexar if this is the case..
If quality/reliability the same, why choose the more expensive one if the cheaper one is technically the same (IF quality and reliability is not considered as mentioned by OT)?

but, if those things are to be considered, I would choose M7, simply because it is more reliable and has a relatively better quality..

In real life, though, i would choose the Hexar, so i can utilize the rest of the money for other important resources..

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Hi, what can i say after months using my hexar iīm son happy!

1/4000 really lets you make a few things...




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