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Old 12-22-2009   #1
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Curious? How do these cameras perform when mated to a manual focus lens of old; like an M mount or a Nikon lens?
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Very well, with SLR lenses or Olympus Pen lenses of any focal length, and rangefinder lenses of 50mm and up. Wide RF lenses tend to vignette and go soft in the corners but still work pretty well.
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I dunno. While these modern cameras are certainly functional, they just don't have the porn value of an old Leica or SLR, somehow.
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I dunno. While these modern cameras are certainly functional, they just don't have the porn value of an old Leica or SLR, somehow.
Agreed. I do think they look pretty good, though--the E-P1/2 are definitely the porniest.
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I dunno. While these modern cameras are certainly functional, they just don't have the porn value of an old Leica or SLR, somehow.
True, but that Olympus up top looks quite nice for a modern camera...that strap looks cool on it.
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Curious? How do these cameras perform when mated to a manual focus lens of old; like an M mount or a Nikon lens?

My personal experience is - "Ok". My photos with the Legacy lenses (Leica Zeiss VC) on the G1 never quite seem as sharp. However, some people seem to be quite satisfied. The Panasonic 14-45mm and the 20m F1.7 are so good that one doesn't seem to miss other lenses.
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Thanks folks. good info is always important in case GAS strikes.
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I've used the Leica 35/2 ASPH on my GF1 and I was amazed at how well the images looked on a Panasonic 42" Plasma HDTV.

Current kit less added 14-45 and 45-200.



Before I went with a wrist strap and dropped the case.

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How well does the tilt work on the mFT bodies? I have the lens and plan on having it converted to F-mount to use on my D700.
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There... just for completeness' sake.



My first m4/3rd adapter is en route. When it arrives, I'll have a report on how the excellent Konica Hexanon AR lenses perform on the E-P2.
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How well does the tilt work on the mFT bodies? I have the lens and plan on having it converted to F-mount to use on my D700.
Quite well. A few examples here. Shift is less effective, due to the longer effective focal length...
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Something I had not realised is that both the Olympus E-P2 and the Panasonic Lumix GF 1 have electronic accessory viewfinders (I cant recall seeing this advertised much I guess because its a bit of a niche market thing of no great interest to the great unwashed.) My main interest in the possibility of owning an M4/3 camera is to use my Leica M glass but would not consider trying this without a proper finder. The existence of finders makes this a reasonable possibility.

Has anyone here tried this on one of these cameras WITH the accessory finder? I would be interested in knowing how it works (e.g. does the finder show a focus confirmation mark and is it sufficiently high res to be usable ?

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That is INCREDIBLY good looking, as is the GF1 above this with the OVF.

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Something I had not realised is that both the Olympus E-P2 and the Panasonic Lumix GF 1 have accessory viewfinders (I cant recall seeing this advertised much I guess because its a bit of a niche market thing of no great interest to the great unwashed.) My main interest in the possibility of owning an M4/3 camera is to use my Leica M glass but would not consider trying this without a proper finder. The existence of finders makes this a reasonable possibility.

Has anyone here tried this on one of these cameras WITH the accessory finder? I would be interested in knowing how it works (e.g. does the finder show a focus confirmation mark and is it sufficiently high res to be usable ?

Thanks in advance.

The GF1 EVF is very small and just useable. The E-P2 OVF significantly higher resolution and about the same size as the canon 5d/olympus e-3 VF.
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Here is my ugly duckling, with Milich adapter, collapsable Elmar 50/2.8, heavystar hood and Gordy strap - quite an eclectic collection!



And here is what it does - I like the low contrast and "sharp but not bitingly sharp" aspects of the Elmar on the little G1:
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I was very interested in whether an e-p1 skin would fit on an e-p2. It turns out that it fits nicely and looks well also. Though I would share this pic from another forum. This is not my camera or photo but was found here :

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Brand new lurker with question... Looking for reasons to go for an EP-1 over GF-1, primarily on cost since an EP-1 kit is available for 200 bucks less than the panny body and lens. My rangefinder history is with a Contax G2, 28, 45 and 90mm lenses. Mainly shooting xprocessed Provia, TCN400 or even Kodak infrared. I used to pinch down the IR flare past the sprocket holes made by the Contax frame counter by placing a sliver of black electrical tape. An 89 filter which is nearly black was no problem when you use a rangefinder's separate VF.

Just being very frugal now... Would a leap from a panny mid range P&S to an EP-1 be worth going from $250ish to $679, given the AF issue, the screen issue (230K pixels), and the flash absence? Although I avoid using a flash 95% of the time anyway.
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Any of the m4/3s cameras will blow away any of the small sensor cameras by a large margin.

Just bs'ing here, but if a modern Pany small sensor P&S produces an image of a "3" quality out of "10", then the EP-1 and GF-1 produce "9"s. Maybe the GF-1 makes a "9.1" imho, but the vast majority of the jump in quality is coming from the larger sensor, not from the specific camera.

You're also experiencing the internet phenomena of only seeing bad press about a product's shortcomings. The GF-1 has plenty of shortcomings too. The results -- final images -- from either camera are going to be very close.

Personally speaking, the best deal right now is one of the used Pany G1s in red or blue with the kit lens -- about $500 for a clean used one. You can add the 20/1.7 for $350 and have a nice compact only a tad larger than the EP-1 or GF-1 but with a real viewfinder. You can even sell the kit lens for $250 if you really want to be sly about it (although it is a great lens in its own right). That gets you a better Pany solution for $600 -- less than an EP-1.

Why buy a GF-1 or EP-1 only to buy an additional expensive EVF that is a PITA compared to one integrated into the body?

Of course I went back to film compacts so I am just Bs'ing. I just gave up on digital compacts -- too many small buttons for my big hands, hard to read with my 50-yr old eyes. A full-sized Nikon DSLR or a butt simple 35mm P&S seems to fit me better, ymmv.

I do wish Panasonic would just scale everything up 33% -- then they'd be perfect!

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Just being very frugal now... Would a leap from a panny mid range P&S to an EP-1 be worth going from $250ish to $679, given the AF issue, the screen issue (230K pixels), and the flash absence? Although I avoid using a flash 95% of the time anyway.
There is seriously no AF issue - the AF is better than most compact cameras, namely the canon g11, sigma dp1/2 and the ricoh grdIII (I played with and compared all of them to my e-p1 in Yodabashi camera, tokyo)

There is no screen issue either - it has a really nice screen. Who cares if you can't magnify the image on your lcd a million times and see the pixel structure - the AF is super super reliable so you don't really need to check.

The IQ is significantly better than any other point and shoot bar maybe the dp1/2. It's at the same level as the entry/mid level dslrs.

As Frank rightly said, the G1 is the bargain right now if you like the form factor and the viewfinder. The e-p1 is so sweet in use though.
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Any of the m4/3s cameras will blow away any of the small sensor cameras by a large margin.

Just bs'ing here, but if a modern Pany small sensor P&S produces an image of a "3" quality out of "10", then the EP-1 and GF-1 produce "9"s. Maybe the GF-1 makes a "9.1" imho, but the vast majority of the jump in quality is coming from the larger sensor, not from the specific camera.

You're also experiencing the internet phenomena of only seeing bad press about a product's shortcomings. The GF-1 has plenty of shortcomings too. The results -- final images -- from either camera are going to be very close.

Personally speaking, the best deal right now is one of the used Pany G1s in red or blue with the kit lens -- about $500 for a clean used one. You can add the 20/1.7 for $350 and have a nice compact only a tad larger than the EP-1 or GF-1 but with a real viewfinder. You can even sell the kit lens for $250 if you really want to be sly about it (although it is a great lens in its own right). That gets you a better Pany solution for $600 -- less than an EP-1.

Why buy a GF-1 or EP-1 only to buy an additional expensive EVF that is a PITA compared to one integrated into the body?

Of course I went back to film compacts so I am just Bs'ing.
I agree strongly with Frank about the G1 and what a great deal it is. I use mine happily. I like the looks of the GF1, but I would want to use the electronic viewfinder all the time, so the G1 makes more sense in addition to being much cheaper.

Also the Panasonic cameras have significantly better autofocus performance than the Olympuses.
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I'm hopefully biased toward the G1, being an early adapter (it's been a year already) but if you forsee needing an EVF and onboard flash, the G1 does it in a more compact size than either other solution.

As for the side grip, I find it essential to the ergonomics of cameras this size; there are folks adding makeshift side grips to their GF-1s and E-P1s. And with the 20mm-f/1.7 pancake lens attached, it protrudes beyond the side grip just a tad, so the side grip doesn't add enormously to the bulk of the camera body at all.

It tells you a lot about how good of a design the original G1 is, when subsequent models haven't yet surpassed it in functionality. No wonder it was Pop Photo's camera of the year for 2008.

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I just wish the G1 wasn't so damn ugly!
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The looks of the G1 are just right. I don't want subjects noticing it.
I think this is a myth... people notice cameras completely, they just think photographers are wackjobs and choose to ignore them. I notice all cameras on the street. My GF notices cameras as well and she's not a photographer.
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i'm curious about neck/wrist straps for the GF-1, and which half cases are available for it.

anyone have experience with this? the only cases i've found (other than ebay) are from Panasonic (out of stock) or from JapanExposures ($200).
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i'm curious about neck/wrist straps for the GF-1, and which half cases are available for it.

anyone have experience with this? the only cases i've found (other than ebay) are from Panasonic (out of stock) or from JapanExposures ($200).
I don't have a case, but I bought a Gordy wrist strap and it's just right.
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I've been looking at the Gordy Straps, but can't decide on the actual attachment type. I'm leaning towards the string mount, but the split ring seems more stable to me. Which would you recommend?
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Of course I went back to film compacts so I am just Bs'ing. I just gave up on digital compacts -- too many small buttons for my big hands, hard to read with my 50-yr old eyes. A full-sized Nikon DSLR or a butt simple 35mm P&S seems to fit me better, ymmv.

I do wish Panasonic would just scale everything up 33% -- then they'd be perfect!
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I'm going the opposite route, going digital. I'll hang onto a couple film cameras cause they are fun to use. I've been all over the place regarding "THE" camera to buy and looks like the E-P2 will be the one. The X1 looks to have great IQ but is too limited form me, the GXR is almost like buying a whole new camera with each lens/sensor unit. I'm tired or doing resarch and want to take pictures....
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Thanks for the replies about my noob question concerning an EP-1 or some other economical micro 4/3 camera; I couldn't get to a computer for a couple of days. Any thoughts about macro lenses for such a system? That will make everything more expensive, and almost makes me want to downgrade to an LX3 P&S or something similar. If only there were some digital body that could accept the Contax G rangefinder lenses, but the mount and drive are very odd. I adore that 28mm Biogon.
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If only there were some digital body that could accept the Contax G rangefinder lenses, but the mount and drive are very odd. I adore that 28mm Biogon.
There is...

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