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Old 09-16-2009   #1
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Compatibility of Nikon-S / old Contax lenses mounted on M-mount bodies using an Amede

Disclaimer: I thought about starting this thread in the Nikon forum, but decided to start it in this forum so it can be a combined resource for both Nikon and Contax mount lenses.

Background: Lately, there's a lot of interest in Amedeo type adapters for mounting Nikon S-mount lenses and old Contax mount lenses on M-mount bodies, so its about time we had a registry of what lenses can/cannot be mounted and used on M-mount bodies via these types of adapters. Feel free to add more information and fill in any gaps, especially concerning Contax lenses as I have no experience there.

Compatibility: Generally speaking, all internal mount 5cm/50mm lenses, and I think most external mount 5cm/50mm and longer lenses, work fine (although confirmation is needed on some lenses). It's the wide angle lenses with large rear elements that create problems. Below is a list of Nikon S-mount lenses (I may have missed some so please add them if I have) with a comment on compatibility for each lens.


For reference, here's a list of the Nikkor lens designations. In the case of the Nikkor wides, "W" just means "wide".

T= three elements
Q= four elements
P= five elements
H= six elements
S= seven elements
O= eight elements
N= nine elements
U= ten elements
UD= eleven elements

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NIKON S-MOUNT COMPATIBILITY LIST


S-MOUNT NIKKORS

Nikkor-O 2.1cm f4 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
W-Nikkor 2.5cm f4 (NO - will mount but cannot be focused)
W-Nikkor 2.8cm f3.5 (YES - will mount and focus from infinity to 6ft, but may come into contact with focus cam between 6ft and 3ft)
W-Nikkor 3.5cm f3.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
W-Nikkor 3.5cm f2.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
W-Nikkor 3.5cm f1.8 (vintage/reissue) (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)

Nikkor-P 5cm f3.5 Micro (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-H 5cm f2 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-S 5cm f1.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-S 5cm f1.4 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-S 50mm f1.4 (Olympic/Millennium) (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-N 5cm f1.1 internal mount (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Nikkor-N 5cm f1.1 external mount (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)

Nikkor-P 8.5cm f2 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-S 8.5cm f1.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-T 10.5cm f4 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-P 10.5cm f2.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-Q 13.5cm f4.0 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-Q 13.5cm f3.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)

SC/S-MOUNT VOIGTLANDER/ZEISS

Voigtlander SC Skopar 21mm f4 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Voigtlander SC Skopar 25mm f4 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Voigtlander SC Skopar 28mm f3.5 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Voigtlander SC Skopar 35mm f2.5 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)

Zeiss S-Sonnar 50mm f1.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Voigtlander S-Nokton 50mm f1.5 Aspherical (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Voigtlander S-Skopar 50mm f2.5 (should work - confirmation needed)
Voigtlander S-Heliar 50mm f3.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)

Voigtlander S-Apo-Lanther 85mm f3.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)

S-MOUNT LENSES BY OTHER MAKERS

Fujinon 5cm f/1.2 (should work - confirmation needed)

W-Komura 35/2.8 (should work - confirmation needed)
Komura80/1.8 (should work - confirmation needed)
Komura 135/3.5 (should work - confirmation needed)

Soligor 135/3.5 (should work - confirmation needed)

W Tanar 35mm f/2.8 (should work - confirmation needed)
Tele-Tanar 13.5cm f/3.5 (should work - confirmation needed)

Zunow 50/1.1 (should work - confirmation needed)

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Here's the list for Contax mount lenses (help me out here guys!).

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CONTAX C-MOUNT COMPATIBILITY LIST


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ZEISS CONTAX (C) MOUNT LENSES

Zeiss Opton 21/4.5 (confirmation needed)
Carl Zeiss 21/4.5 Biogon (confirmation needed)
28/8 Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar (YES - will mount, not focus-coupled)
35/4.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Orthometar (YES - will mount and focus properly)
35/2.8 Carl Zeiss Jena Biometar (YES - will mount and focus properly)
pre-WWII Carl Zeiss Jena 35/2.8 Biogon (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
post-WWII Jena ("E. German") coated version (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
35/2.8 Zeiss-Opton (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
35/2.8 Carl Zeiss ("W. German") Biogon (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
35/3.5 Zeiss-Opton (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
35/3.5 Carl Zeiss Planar (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)


Carl Zeiss-Opton 5cm f2 Sonnar (rigid) (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Carl Zeiss-Opton 5cm f2 Sonnar (collapsible) (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Carl Zeiss-Option 5cm f1.5 Sonnar (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Post-war Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f2 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Pre-war and Wartime Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f1.5 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Post-war Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f1.5 (MAYBE - large ring around rear element, may interfer with the rangefinder mechanism on some cameras)

pre-WWII 85/4 Triotar (YES - will mount and focus properly)
super-rare direct mount 180/2.8 Olympia Sonnar (YES - will mount and focus properly)

OTHER CONTAX MOUNT LENSES

Nikkor-P 8.5cm f2 "C" (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-S 8.5cm f1.5 "C" (should work - confirmation needed)
Nikkor-T 10.5cm f4 "C" (should work - confirmation needed)
Nikkor-P 10.5cm f2.5 "C" (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Nikkor-Q 13.5cm f4.0 "C" (should work - confirmation needed)
Nikkor-Q 13.5cm f3.5 "C" (YES - will mount and focus properly)

Voigtlander SC Skopar 21mm f4 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Voigtlander SC Skopar 25mm f4 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Voigtlander SC Skopar 28mm f3.5 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)
Voigtlander SC Skopar 35mm f2.5 (NO - rear element too large, interferes with rangefinder mechanism)

Contax-mount J-3 (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Helios-103 53/1.8 works fine (YES - will mount and focus properly)
Kiev 85/2 Sonnar (YES - will mount and focus properly)

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Old 09-16-2009   #3
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wow, great job Jon. Thank you for sharing.
I have used the older amedeo adapter with 50/1.4 millennium on leica m bodies. It works very well and focus is perfect.
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Jon,

As always great work.

Sad to see the 35/1.8 will not work, one of the true jewels of the Nikkor line. I wonder if he took a somewhat different approach and abandoned the internal mount for only an external if an adapter could be made? Just a thought as I am FAT DUMB AND HAPPY with my S3-2000.

What about the ZI 50 that came out last summer or so? Wouldn't that be on the list too?

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thanks for the great reference!
what about industar lenses? or russian make lenses?
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thanks for the great reference!
what about industar lenses? or russian make lenses?
yup, if anyone has info on these lenses, please add it!
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I (and others) can confirm that the CZJ 50/1.5, CZO 50/1.5 and 50/2, and J-3 Contax-mount lenses work perfectly on the Contax-to-M adapter.
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.....Oh, and the Zeiss 50/1.5 works fine. I snuck it into the Cosina/Voigtlander list
That you did, oooopppss. Never Mind......

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I (and others) can confirm that the CZJ 50/1.5, CZO 50/1.5 and 50/2, and J-3 Contax-mount lenses work perfectly on the Contax-to-M adapter.
Thanks I just added them to the list.
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I'm going to try this with an M4-2...
Thanks for the confirmation on the Nikkor 35/3.5. Looking forward to hear how the M4-2 project works out!
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> CONTAX (C) MOUNT LENSES

> CZJ 50/1.5
> CZO 50/1.5
> CZO 50/2


I can confirm that the Post War Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f2 works with an adapter. It is Rigid mount, the optics are larger in diameter than the pre-war version.

The Pre-war and Wartime Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm F1.5 lenses are a different construction and dimensions than the PostWar Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm F1.5. The latter lens does not have ears on the aperture ring.

I have a Post-War Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm F1.5. The ring around the rear group is larger than the Opton and pre-war F1.5 Sonnars, and it can interfere with the RF pickup wheel of some cameras when used with an adapter.
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Jon: I have been using some of these lenses on my M8. I have two amadeo adapters (1 Contax, 1 Nikon). I can confirm:

Zeiss-Opton 50/2 Sonnar (rigid) s/n 707611 works fine
CZJ 5 cm/2 Sonnar (collapsible) s/n 2207904 works fine
Zeiss-Option 50/1.5 Sonnar s/n 713519 works fine
Nikkon-S.C. 5cm./1.4 works fine
Millenium Nikkor 50/1.4 works fine
Helios-103 53/1.8 works fine
Kiev 85/2 Sonnar (eternal mount) works fine
Voigtlander S-Heliar 50/3.5 works fine

Voigtlander 28/3.5 does not work
Voigtlander 35/2.5 does not work
(both due to rear element blockage)

I have a WA adapter coming from Amadeo. My 50/2 Sonnar collapsible is out in the car -- if the s/n will tell you something special, let me know.

Good idea to start a list.

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[Edit: my collapsible is actually a Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f:2 Sonnar]
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Brian, Ben, thanks for the new information! I've just updated the lists.

Ben, I don't know enough about Carl Zeiss lenses yet to know if I should also be noting serial numbers. Hoping you Carl Zeiss/Contax guys can help me out on this one!
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Jon, thanks for the list!
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I have a Post-War Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm F1.5. The ring around the rear group is larger than the Opton and pre-war F1.5 Sonnars, and it can interfere with the RF pickup wheel of some cameras when used with an adapter.
I sold this lens to Brian, and I can confirm his story! It did not focus correctly on my R-D1 with Amedeo's adapter--it was correct at minimum distance and increasingly front-focused towards infinity. According to Brian's tests, it DID focus correctly on an actual Contax. The CZ 50/1.5 I now have does focus perfectly with Amedeo's adapter on both the R-D1 and M7.
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Second variation to that list, BTW--my Helios-103 did not fit comfortably into the adapter at first, and I actually had to file down the edge of the barrel to make it fit. It works perfectly now, though. I chalked this up to the probably wider tolerances in its manufacture.
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As you wrote, the only inherently problematic lenses are the wides w/large rear elements, the main ones on the Contax side being the pre-WWII Carl Zeiss Jena 35/2.8 Biogon & its post-WWII Jena ("E. German") coated version (plus their Soviet progeny) & the 35/2.8 Zeiss-Opton or Carl Zeiss ("W. German") Biogon & 35/3.5 Zeiss-Opton or Carl Zeiss Planar. All of the 50mm lenses & longer should fit; if they don't, it's caused by differences in tolerances & workmanship between individual lenses (this is particularly true of wartime & immediate postwar Jena lenses & their Soviet progeny) + differences between individual adapters themselves. The tolerances can be pretty tight: an analogous example is that I have 35/2.8 CZJ Biogon that fits fine on my original Nikon SPs, but doesn't quite mount on the S3 2000 or SP 2005, I think because of a slightly thicker area around the shutter in the modern Nikons. IIRC, you had a similar problem w/mounting the CV 50/3.5 Heliar on your S3 2000.

Same goes for all the telephotos (the only 1 I don't have personal experience with is the pre-WWII 85/4 Triotar & super-rare direct mount 180/2.8 Olympia Sonnar).

Other wides that should work:

28/8 Carl Zeiss Jena Tessar (though it isn't focus-coupled anyway)
35/4.5 Carl Zeiss Jena Orthometar
35/2.8 Carl Zeiss Jena Biometar

I haven't tried it, but my understanding is that the Zeiss-Opton or Carl Zeiss 21/4.5 Biogon may work if the rear element protection ring is removed (same goes for the Orion & Orion copies).
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thanks for the extra info. i'll update the lists accordingly.

chris, the problem i had with my heliar 50/3.5 not mounting on my SP 2005 and S3 2000 was caused by a slightly thicker locking tab on the lens. just another one of those problems caused by slight differences between samples.
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The photos are very helpful for illustrating what the problem is w/some of the wides. You could have substituted the Zeiss-Opton/Carl Zeiss 35 Biogon or Planar for the Nikon 35/1.8 & you would have the same situation, i.e., the rear element poking beyond the adapter cam.

FYI, on your list of lenses that work, you can add these specific telephotos:

85/2 Carl Zeiss Jena, Zeiss-Opton, & Carl Zeiss Sonnars
85/4 Zeiss-Opton or Carl Zeiss Triotar
135/4 Carl Zeiss Jena, Zeiss-Opton, & Carl Zeiss Sonnars
180/6.3 Carl Zeiss Jena Tele-Tessar

On a persnickety nomenclature note, all the lenses made in Jena, both pre & post-WWII were marked w/the focal length in cm, so 5cm rather than 50mm. For some reason, after WWII, the reestablished CZ in the west decided that all the Zeiss-Opton (always hyphenated) & Carl Zeiss lenses were to be marked in mm, which is what I've used in my thread posts. Nippon Kogaku obviously kept w/the pre-WWII standard.
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Of course, the 5cm marking is more "accurate" as none of the Zeiss, Leica, or Nikkor lenses are actually 50mm focal length. Zeiss lenses are ~52.4mm, Leica and Nikkor lenses are closer to 51.6mm. The 5cm is a nice way of stating this.

My Wollensak Raptar F1.5 is marked 51mm.
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I confirm that the prewar orthometar works fine
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Just FYI -- I received my Amadeo wide-angle adapter. CV 28 and 25 in S-Mount won't work -- the rear element housing is just too large.
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The 5cm f/1.1 will not work with the Amedeo adapter.
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The 5cm f/1.1 will not work with the Amedeo adapter.
That's too bad. Maybe the head bartender has been fooling us all along with this photo below (found here)...

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I could mount it for sure, just not turn it to focus, unless mounted with the lens set to MFD. Then I could rotate between about .9m and 1m. I suspect with a bit of filing it might work.
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