OK you got yours ... now where's ours?

[Keith]

It seems that the rangefinder user minority has been catered for finally which says a lot about the power of whinging ... they now have their compact full frame digital rangefinder and good luck to them.

But what about us ... the SLR users ... when do we get our go?

To get a full frame DSLR I have to buy a monstrocity of a camera that looks more like a cut down PC that's been painted black! I want something about the size of an OM-1 or Nikon F with manual focus and I don't give a damn if it can't shoot eight frames per second. I'd like to be able to set the ISO and shutter speed with a simple twist of a dial and not have to dive into some menu ... or have to hold down button X while I rotate dial Y attempting to still maintain a grip on the camera.

I also don't want a sh!tty litle micro 4/3 with a crop factor of two or so that produces images that can't really seem to decide whether they are square, landscape, or somewhere in between. I also don't want an overpriced point and shoot with a five minute shutter delay and more noise than a teen party at ISO settings above 400!

Come on guys (canikon)... Leica has shown the lead here in sticking their neck out ... give us a small uncomplicated full frame DSLR we can actually use!

[Dave Wilkinson]

You're rattling a few cages today Keith!...must be nearly bedtime - down there?

[Mark Wood]

Sony seem to be getting the right idea, having declared that "Live View" and "Video" modes are "Entry Level Features."

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_288932.html

A (very small) step in the right direction.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Dave Wilkinson

You're rattling a few cages today Keith!...must be nearly bedtime - down there?

It's been a boring day ... just finished an eight day stint in the city yesterday but no work today!

I did finally manage to get my Hasselblad system together and I'm ready to take photos ... that thing makes some sound when you press the shutter!

[Sparrow]

a full frame d70 would be nice, that way the meter switches off with my old lenses too … perfect

[Dave Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Keith

It's been a boring day ... just finished an eight day stint in the city yesterday but no work today!

I did finally manage to get my Hasselblad system together and I'm ready to take photos ... that thing makes some sound when you press the shutter!

If you put all that antique stuff in a big box, and take it for trade-in......you're halfway to Leica's new Fed 3 copy!

[kshapero]

Originally Posted by Mark Wood

Sony seem to be getting the right idea, having declared that "Live View" and "Video" modes are "Entry Level Features."

http://www.amateurphotographer.co.uk...ws_288932.html

A (very small) step in the right direction.

I am sorry that is in the exact wrong direction. Read Keith's intial post. We want the equvilant of a FF Digital Om-1 or Nikon FM with NO frills. Video and live view are frills if I get Keith right.

[ruby.monkey]

All you need is a Nikon F, a Digital Module R, and a big enough hammer...

[ZeissFan]

When I want full frame, I just use a film camera. No chromatic aberration. No crop factor. No shutter lag. I get a "live view" -- it's called the viewfinder. No idiotic scene modes.

I just don't have instant gratification. If I wanted that ... oh, never mind.

Win some, lose some.

Personally, I'm tired to chasing the digital holy grail. Too much of my money has been spent on digital cameras that underwhelm. However, they do seem to work well for photographing my real cameras.

[ZeissFan]

Originally Posted by kshapero

I am sorry that is in the exact wrong direction. Read Keith's intial post. We want the equvilant of a FF Digital Om-1 or Nikon FM with NO frills. Video and live view are frills if I get Keith right.

What the article says is that Sony's most recent camera -- a full-frame dSLR doesn't have video or Live View, as the company sees those as entry level features.

Sony is on the right track -- the body just needs to be smaller. We're tired of having to buy a tank when a subcompact will do just as well.

[Sparrow]

My OM1 has "live view" all the way back in 1973

[mabelsound]

I kinda like my crop sensor DSLR, as it extends my tele lenses, and I don't think I really want a FF DSLR. But I'd like to think that Leica's innovation will spur the manufacturers to action.

[Keith]

Even the small DSLR's are a joke ... I was wandering around at a job the other day taking a few pics with my OM-2 and the very pleasant woman who was managing the project I was helping my friend Adrian with spotted my Oly. She was taking pics for the Brisbane City Council's project blog with a D40 which she handed to me while she had a look at the OM-2. I looked through the viewfinder of the D40 and was shocked ... it was a dark little tunnel and the camera itself had more buttons than you could poke a stick at. Admittedly the viewfinder of an OM is pretty darned good but this Nikon was horrible ... when she looked through the beautiful bright viewfinder of the Olympus, I saw the surprise on her face!

[Kin Lau]

The Canon 5D, Nikon D700, Sony A900 and A850 don't come with a grip, and they're not any larger than a film slr.

[chris91387]

i want a DSLR that's the size and simplicity of my Nikon FM. manual focus; iso dial...hell, call it "asa" just for fun; no menus to have to sift through; 60/40 meter with maybe a spot option; mirror lockup might be cool; easy to read with minimal info presented in the viewfinder.

[kshapero]

Originally Posted by Kin Lau

The Canon 5D, Nikon D700, Sony A900 and A850 don't come with a grip, and they're not any larger than a film slr.

By Film SLR, you must be referring to the monster Nikon F5, not an OM-1 or a Nikon FM or a Pentax MX.

[Mark Wood]

Originally Posted by ZeissFan

What the article says is that Sony's most recent camera -- a full-frame dSLR doesn't have video or Live View, as the company sees those as entry level features.

Sony is on the right track -- the body just needs to be smaller. We're tired of having to buy a tank when a subcompact will do just as well.

I thought I'd read and interpreted the article properly!!!

[Mark Wood]

Originally Posted by kshapero

I am sorry that is in the exact wrong direction. Read Keith's intial post. We want the equvilant of a FF Digital Om-1 or Nikon FM with NO frills. Video and live view are frills if I get Keith right.

Err, I did read Keith's post and the AP article! Sony are saying that these frills are for "entry level users" as partial justification for missing them off their new full frame SLR.

[jarski]

been waiting a while Nikon to expand use of FF-sensors to next category after D700, namely successor of D90. I had same sized D200 (vs. D700) earlier, and its just too large and heavy for me, so am awaiting lighter alternative to use my old Nikkor primes on FF.

Canons recent launch of 7D as APS-C camera does not promise good, if its a wider tend that Nikon also follows.

[gnarayan]

Originally Posted by Keith

Come on guys (canikon)... Leica has shown the lead here in sticking their neck out ... give us a small uncomplicated full frame DSLR we can actually use!

Small would be great. Fullframe is great because I want the VF. I love my OMs.

But uncomplicated...

Leica has certainly taken the lead in producing $7k digital cameras that are exactly like their 50 year old film cameras and "uncomplicated". Good for the people who want that. I'm poor - I've no desire to spend that sort of money.

I can deal with buttons thanks very much. Give me features if that means you can sell more of them - I can turn them off and I like many of them on anyway. Give me small. Give me cheap. Not $7k. I can get a 5D for about 1K USD now and that is about as barebones as a DSLR gets but it is big. Cram it into an E400 size thing and you are halfway there.

Cheers,
-G.

[Pickett Wilson]

A 5D is not a big camera. Not as small as an OM, of course, but fits my hand much better. I have to add a winder to the OM before I can handle it comfortably.

[Kin Lau]

Originally Posted by kshapero

By Film SLR, you must be referring to the monster Nikon F5, not an OM-1 or a Nikon FM or a Pentax MX.

Most film SLR's made in the last 20 years.

My 350D is only a bit larger than my OM1. Put the MD1 on the OM1, and my 350D is _smaller_ and _lighter_.

BTW, I have an OM1 and Pentax MX and Nikon FG (same size as FM), and Canon 20D, 350D, 1D & 1Ds. Only the last two are monsters. My 20D which is larger than the 350D, is still smaller than _many_ of my film cameras, including some of the 70's full-size RF's.

[gnarayan]

Originally Posted by Pickett Wilson

A 5D is not a big camera. Not as small as an OM, of course, but fits my hand much better. I have to add a winder to the OM before I can handle it comfortably.

A 5D remains one of the largest DSLRs without an integrated vertical grip so I'm not sure what you are comparing it to when you describe it as not big.

You get a choice with the OM - you can remove the OM winder if you want it smaller. I have a winder 2 and don't use it because it just adds bulk for me. I can't make the 5D smaller than it is.

[giellaleafapmu]

Originally Posted by kshapero

By Film SLR, you must be referring to the monster Nikon F5, not an OM-1 or a Nikon FM or a Pentax MX.

Well, the D700 is larger but not dramatically so than a "standard" film camera.

D700 sizes: 147x123x77, weight almost 1 Kg,
F3 sizes: 148x101x69, weight 760g,

so the two have the same width, the D700 is 2cm taller and marginally thicker (but the real thickness is given by the lens). Not too bad I would say...

GLF

[AJShepherd]

Maybe now that Leica have shown that it is possible to make a full frame digital camera the same size (roughly) as a 35mm film camera, Olympus could continue their retro theme and produce the OM-D. Give it the same lens mount as the OM, and give it the same BIG VIEWFINDER, and they'd make a lot of people very happy.