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06-29-2009
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After looking at these and than at Tom A's pics from the Nokton 50/1.1 - they seem to be so very different. I wonder why? Is it digital vs film? These seem to be much smoother. Or did Cosina tweak the lens from pre-production to production models? Or maybe its just different subjects? Any thoughts?
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I think I remember reading that Tom used a developer for his black and white film that accentuated edge effects and it looks as though his contrast was a bit high, probably to accentuate sharpness. More exposure and less development would have given a smoother look. |
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06-29-2009
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I for one definitely like what I see. If someone 12 months ago would have said a 50 1.1 was going to hit the market place for $1100 or there about I would have said "you have to be dreaming'. Just once in my life I'd like to own a super fast lens and I think this is going to be it. If the 35 Nokton 1.2 is $2-300 cheaper in comparison as some are suggesting then may be we should just say isn't it great to have a quality fast 35 at such a give away price. Thanks Mr. K.
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06-29-2009
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Holy **** that looks gooddd.
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06-29-2009
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Did you have to align your R-D1's focus mechanism in order to get that lens to properly focus? At 50mm and higher, my R-D1 can't nail anything at any distance.
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06-29-2009
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You sure there's nothing wrong it your RD1 Kevin ? I got a 100% hit rate with my RD1 and Noctilux
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06-30-2009
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06-30-2009
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Nice night shots, on film, and M3 ...... very, very, nice
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06-30-2009
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Thanks for that.
Turns out that the new 50/1.1 neither has a unique signature like the Noctilux, nor is it as sharp and well corrected like the Noct-Nikkor.
Think Cosina missed a chance to build something with more character here. (Take the the Zeiss 50/1.5 for example.)
I´ll pass! |
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06-30-2009
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Very cool test shots. It looks like a GREAT lens, enjoy!
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06-30-2009
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Thanks for that.
Turns out that the new 50/1.1 neither has a unique signature like the Noctilux, nor is it as sharp and well corrected like the Noct-Nikkor.
Think Cosina missed a chance to build something with more character here. (Take the the Zeiss 50/1.5 for example.)
I´ll pass!
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But can't deny it is an "affordable" piece of high speed glass. Thanks for sharing the link Issa918.
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06-30-2009
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Still my question? Should I forget about mating this lens with my CV Bessa R3M? I am hoping for a definitive answer.
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06-30-2009
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If I were to be buying one, I'd buy from Chiif in Singapore, who I think has posted early in this thread? Great to deal with - I've bought two viewfinders off him and he's fun to correspond with over email. Plus I like his web shop and the lovely stuff about his family. Very good prices too.
http://www.chiifcameras.com
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Chiif also supports APUG by advertising there. That's how I found them.
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06-30-2009
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You sure there's nothing wrong it your RD1 Kevin ? I got a 100% hit rate with my RD1 and Noctilux
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I am now fairly certain there is something wrong with my R-D1 but I don't know how to calibrate the focus. I've calibrated the vertical and horizontal rangefinder patches easily enough but how is focus supposed to be fixed and verified?
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06-30-2009
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Originally Posted by kshapero
Still my question? Should I forget about mating this lens with my CV Bessa R3M? I am hoping for a definitive answer.
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This *might* be a great reason for you to get a M3  Seriously, though, any M mount camera with a higher effective base length will make it more straight forward to focus a faster lens. And for a fast 50, the M3 is a smashing fit. |
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06-30-2009
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Originally Posted by kshapero
Still my question? Should I forget about mating this lens with my CV Bessa R3M? I am hoping for a definitive answer.
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At 4ft it’s the same DOF as a 75 at f2.5, personally I wouldn’t hesitate
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akiva, use your zi.
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06-30-2009
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Thanks guys for sharing the photos from Voigtilux (I like to call this guy like that
It seems like this lens is a good blend of old look with new technology giving it a sharper character than noctilux...People who finds noctilux too smooth may like nokton a lot. I would like to try both but I dont have enough budget for those guys. So far I am happy with my canon 50mm 1.2! |
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06-30-2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kshapero
Still my question? Should I forget about mating this lens with my CV Bessa R3M? I am hoping for a definitive answer.
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The R3M would work fine with the 50f1.1. I use mine for the 75's (f2 and when I still had one , the 75f1.4 @ wide open). As with any fast to superfast lens - rangefinder base is less important than holding still and checking focus. Subject movement is also important - if he/she moves even the lsightest - focus will shift. When I still used Nocti's - I used them on 0.72 Leicas and also on Bessa R2's - no difference in the success rate. It is simply a matter of getting used to the camera/lens combination. When you use a high speed lens in low light - several other considerations come into play, subject contrast, shutter speed etc.
I would say, go for it. I used the 50f1.1 on a ZM when in Japan in March. solely because I did not bring the R3M with me at that time. If I had, I would have put the 50 f1.1 on it and I would have been confident that it would have worked fine. Once I get mine - iI will try it out with the production lens. |
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06-30-2009
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Some of these other shots are looking really good, although I still think the OP are by far the best. Maybe it's just the R-D1 :-)
I don't think it has the definitive signature of the noctilux or sonnar, but it's shaping up to be damn fine fast lens. It's got some of that buttery smoothness of the 35/1.2 but mixed with the slighltly edgier/contrasty 50mm nokton look.
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06-30-2009
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Some images shot this afternoon...
Some were wide open. Some, simply can't be wide open. Lens is too fast for day time use wide open. Furthermore on a M6... this lens is just too fast...
Hope my limited photography skill do justice to this wonderful lens...
Click on image to browse set. |
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Chiif, you need a 6-stop ND (gray) filter if you want to shoot it wide open mounted on the M6 in daylight.
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Or just pick up some Fuji Minicopy II - rated at 6 asa, but it can be pushed to 20 in a pinch. Soup it in Rodinal 1:200 stand development for 2 hours (this will give you around 20 asa).
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06-30-2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiif Ho
Some images shot this afternoon...
Some were wide open. Some, simply can't be wide open. Lens is too fast for day time use wide open. Furthermore on a M6... this lens is just too fast...
Hope my limited photography skill do justice to this wonderful lens...
Click on image to browse set. |
Nice shots! |
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06-30-2009
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Just got notice from mainline that my lens has been shipped out today |
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