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Nikkor HC 50mm F2... Wow, I am impressed
Old 05-14-2010   #1
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Nikkor HC 50mm F2... Wow, I am impressed

So, my deal-hunting finally paid off on the auction site and I found a nice Nikkor HC. This lens has exactly the right OOF areas that I am looking for and has absolutely wonderful ergonomics. I took the following picture with my Bessa R2 a 1/500th of a second wide open with the Nikkor lens. It was shot on Fuji Superia 200. While I don't consider myself a particularly good nature photographer, I still love this picture:



And for those who are interested in how it looks on my recently reskinned Bessa R2:



Does anyone else have some examples from this great little lens?
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Beautiful picture and rendering, Brian. I am particularly excited to try this lens for portraiture (my main field of interest). If your results are any indication, I don't think the lens will be what limits my results...
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I have two Nikkors 50f2.0 and one 50f1.4. I love the shots with all three and I am tired of the haze, soft glass of Leica LTM lenses. I have been lucky to get the Nikkor lenses on Ebay with moderate bids.
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Old 07-06-2010   #5
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I have one just like this with a serial number a couple hundred off from yours. a great little lens. I like the bokeh of the f1.4 better because it's smoother and not as harsh. But this lens is still very sharp and good. One of my favorites.
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These are supposed to be Sonnar type lenses. Do they have the focus shift as you stop down like the modern Zeiss C-Sonnar 50/1.5 ?? I'd love to have a C-Sonnar but the focus shift puts me off. And, yes it is real, I've seen plenty of proof that it is not an 'internet myth' as some have dubbed it. Plus, the Nikon's are a hell of a lot cheaper than the Zeiss.
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yeah it's a great lens for the money. Well made too.
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Does anyone know if the Nikon LTM sonnar type lenses had the focus shift problem the modern Zeiss ZM Sonnar 50 has?
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Sonnars all shift Chris. For the ZM Sonnar it was very obvious, since it was optimized for f2.8, originally, and the contrast is much higher than with classic lenses.

The Nikkors 50/1.4 and 50/2 have lower contrast, are optimized for close up and wide open, and shift gets hidden behind the DOF when closing down. Meaning, at infinity and closing down, you'll get a little less resolution, even in the center, than an equivalent Planar type lens of the same period (like the DR Summicron). But hardly noticeable. We've done tests here, with a friend, and even the modern Nikkor 50/1.4 Millenium behaves like this at infinity, when compared to say, a Summilux or Noctilux (both a tiny bit sharper at infinity, but lower performance close up).

Other benefits of Sonnars are the small size, typically low distortion and flare resistance (few glass surfaces). Which is why they were so popular, IMO.

That's my take on it anyways. I've owned (and tested against each other) Nikkor 50/1.4 (different vintages), Nikkor 50/2, ZM 50/1.5, Canon 50/1.5, ZM 50/1.5 (early Jupiter 3). The only one I've kept is the Nikkor 50/1.4 NKT.

The Nikkor 50/2 is an outstanding lens. Unfortunately not as cheap anymore as it used to be.

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I used to own a Nikkor 50/2 LTM. In my first 50mm lens comparisons at RFF, it stood out as the top performer in the comparison. Too bad that the cost for such a lens has gone up.
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Very nice bokeh. Not quite my personal taste, with the "ring of light" bokeh, but, very nice.
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Oh, I have a 50/2 Nikkor SLR lens that might be going up for sale. I recall seeing this review, saying that it is a stunning lens.

http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_norm.html

Would you know if the optical formula between the SLR and RF lenses were the same?

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Oh, I have a 50/2 Nikkor SLR lens that might be going up for sale. I recall seeing this review, saying that it is a stunning lens.

http://www.naturfotograf.com/lens_norm.html

Would you know if the optical formula between the SLR and RF lenses were the same?

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Vicko, the 50mm f2 Nikkor SLR lens is a fine lens, in some ways preferable to the f1.8 version(s). But it is not optically related with the 50mm H.C. rangefinder lens, which is a Sonnar design.
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This is my one and only Sonnar type lens that I got from Roland a while back. I usually use slower, even smaller 50s but this is quite small for F2.0 and I like how it renders especially for portraits.



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Wow, it's been awhile since I started this thread. Since buying this lens, I still feel that it was a great value for the money. I have not noticed any "focus shift"; then again, I have not tested for it, since I am only using the lens on film. I do have out of focus pictures every now and then, but I usually assume that it is my error, paired with the short EBL of the R2. Overall, the number of hits vs. misses has been phenomenal, so I don't feel that it really warrants further testing on my part.
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The SLR 50/2 is a Biotar type. I like it better than the SLR 1.8's or 1.4's. No LoCA's, which bug me.

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ooh I ove my HC, nursed back to usability...checking the mail every day
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I now finally understand what "ugly bokeh" means.
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I now finally understand what "ugly bokeh" means.
To be fair to the little Nikkor-H, that first photo was taken under probably the toughest conditions for bokeh there is. I'd like to see a lens that *isn't* ugly under those conditions

Here's one taken at f/2 with my S-mount Nikkor-H.C 5cm f/2 mounted on an R-D1 via an Amedeo adapter. I prefer the bokeh of the Nikkor-H 5cm f/2 over its faster and more famous big brother, the Nikkor-S 5cm f/1.4. Big brother gets a lot funkier wide open.


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I prefer the bokeh of the Nikkor-H 5cm f/2 over its faster and more famous big brother, the Nikkor-S 5cm f/1.4. Big brother gets a lot funkier wide open.
Really? I love the Nikkor-S. I consider it to be one of the best 50's, to my taste.
Don't take my comment seriously though (even though it's true - I do find bokeh on most of these shots not very pleasing to my eyes, but then again, what is "pleasing bokeh"?)
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Really? I love the Nikkor-S. I consider it to be one of the best 50's, to my taste.
Don't take my comment seriously though (even though it's true - I do find bokeh on most of these shots not very pleasing to my eyes, but then again, what is "pleasing bokeh"?)
Millennium Nikkor-S 50mm f/1.4 (gauss formula) or Nikkor-S 5cm f/1.4 (sonnar formula)?

The Millennium is nice but the big brother to the Nikkor-H, the sonnar formula Nikkor-S, has got to be the champion of harsh ni-sen bokeh

But its all subjective anyway ...
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Millenium formula. But I agree, it's all subjective.
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Here's one taken with my S-mount Nikkor-H.C 5cm f2 on a Nikon SP earlier today.


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I love it's lgiht blue coated lens : )

Small but quite nice performer, I think overall performances are better than Nikkor-S.C 5cm F1.4 except the aperture.

Here are first 2 shots when I got the lens from her seller.






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Heck, even Ken Rockwell likes the Nikkor-H.C 5cm f2

http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/rangefinder/5cm-f2.htm
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Fixed! Thanks to Brian's nimble fingers.
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Truly FABULOUS !!!!
what a lens...what a Great EYE !

Is that or is there : a Screwmount / ltm Version ???
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Now THAT picture makes a kitchen table hobbyist very proud. And who would have thought that the screws in an F-Mount Nikkor-Q 135/2.8 parts lens would fit a 1950 5cm F2 Nikkor-H...

Alex's lens is LTM.

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I had a PreAI Nikkor H 5CM/2 on my Nikon F, a superb lens
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The F-Mount Nikkor-H 50/2 is a Planar formula lens, very different from the Sonnar formula RF lens. The first F-Mount "50" was the Nikkor-S 5cm F2, which was a planar formula lens with a negative element, slight retro-focus design. Very different rendition from the Sonnar.
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Thanks Helen and Brian for your kind words. It's LTM. Still learning how to use it and loving the results so far.
It's always set to f2.8. Lovely pop, great shadow details, tone and gentle fall from focus.
Can't decide if I prefer the HC or my Summar... but the HC is the current live-on lens.

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Kick my butt. I had one of these welded to my Waltz Envoy in 1958and did not appreciate it. The film transport went, and the first camera became landfill.

Now have one for my Nikon D3 digital. Damn good digital lens too.
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What is the filter thread of the Nikkor 50mm f2 H-C in ltm?

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40.5mm, same as the S-Mount version.
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Truly FABULOUS !!!!
what a lens...what a Great EYE !

Is that or is there : a Screwmount / ltm Version ???
Yes Helen, there are LTM/screwmount versions of the 50/2 and 50/1.4 RFer Nikkors. I just picked one up fo next to nothing--the 50/2 that is. I also have a Tanar Tanack Kogaku 50/2 similar to the Nikkor 50/2 in everyway, including sharpness.
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Helen, if I hadn't found the Nikkor 50mm f1.4 ltm I just found last night, I'd have bid on this one on the bayE. (the seller didn't list this as well as he should have)>

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...=STRK:MEWAX:IT
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40.5mm, same as the S-Mount version.
Thanks Brian: I've got one 'on the way' and wanted to get a hood and a UV filter for it.
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In my experience, The Nikkor-HC is a faithful reincarnation of the Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm f2 Sonnar "T"- except in the proper focal length for a Leica and available in LTM. I remounted a wartime CZJ 5cm f2 Sonnar "T" in LTM, and have used both with film and with the M8. The coating on the Nikkor is harder and less prone to damage than the Zeiss, especially the inner surfaces. The threads used for the retaining ring of the Nikkor is the same as that used on the Zeiss optics module, also the same as the I-61. If I decide to remount the latest CZJ 5cm f2 Sonnar "T" in LTM, it will be with a Nikkor mount. Right now, it is shimmed for S-Mount and on the Nikon SP. I do not have a Collapsible S-Mount lens, my collapsible Nikkor is in Leica mount.
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Here are some BW shots - Kodak 400CN (C-41) - with the 'HC, hood and skylight filter.... great separation and pleasing backgrounds as usual... I think I need a yellow filter though.
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