0.95 Prices are amazing!

[gdi]

I saw a TV lens go for over $1100 and now this one:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=260358034624



Even though these are great lenses, finally getting their due, these are incredible prices to me.

[LeicaTom]

Well, as I`ve always said, these are $800 lenses tops.........I know some people personally who have bought these with both caps and film conversion rings and stuff STILL IN THE BOX!!!! for even cheaper than that (and he`s a passionate Canon collector so the lens WILL NEVER BE USED!!!!)

It`s a lens you DON`T buy online, (you try to find one privately)

I`ve always wanted one to convert to Leica M mount, but it`s not worth more than $600 to me and then tacking the conversion costs I`ll have nearly $1,000 into it.

That little bit of extra speed it just is`nt worth it for me and my shooting film, I`m sure for the work I do the Canon f1.2 will work just fine....the 0.95 is really just a novelity lens with a whole bunch of useless hype jacked up about it.

From all the examples out there, I`ve only seen a handful of photographers who can really shoot decent images with them, it`s not worth all that cash people throw at them. (but like anything else the market goes up and down, 6 months ago I saw mint/boxed Nikkor SC F1.4`s selling for $800 to $1,000 - now their back down to $400/$600 - the 0.95 will come down again as well)

I can buy almost (3 or 4) "wartime" Leica bodies with $2k or one really nice IIIC K Grey, that honestly to me is money well spent, but then again, to each his own....one man`s sirloin steak is another man`s poison.

Tom

PS: Ohh and why someone would pay $1,100 for a TV lens is beyond me, that`s a $450 lens, all the work and time that goes into the camera mounted conversion and in staying in it`s TV version it`s worthless untill it`s converted......

[gdi]

Originally Posted by LeicaTom

Well, as I`ve always said, these are $800 lenses tops.........I know some people personally who have bought these with both caps and film conversion rings and stuff STILL IN THE BOX!!!! for even cheaper than that (and he`s a passionate Canon collector so the lens WILL NEVER BE USED!!!!)

It`s a lens you DON`T buy online, (you try to find one privately)

I`ve always wanted one to convert to Leica M mount, but it`s not worth more than $600 to me and then tacking the conversion costs I`ll have nearly $1,000 into it.

That little bit of extra speed it just is`nt worth it for me and my shooting film, I`m sure for the work I do the Canon f1.2 will work just fine....the 0.95 is really just a novelity lens with a whole bunch of useless hype jacked up about it.

From all the examples out there, I`ve only seen a handful of photographers who can really shoot decent images with them, it`s not worth all that cash people throw at them. (but like anything else the market goes up and down, 6 months ago I saw mint/boxed Nikkor SC F1.4`s selling for $800 to $1,000 - now their back down to $400/$600 - the 0.95 will come down again as well)

I can buy almost (3 or 4) "wartime" Leica bodies with $2k or one really nice IIIC K Grey, that honestly to me is money well spent, but then again, to each his own....one man`s sirloin steak is another man`s poison.

Tom

PS: Ohh and why someone would pay $1,100 for a TV lens is beyond me, that`s a $450 lens, all the work and time that goes into the camera mounted conversion and in staying in it`s TV version it`s worthless untill it`s converted......

Yes, the TV lens really blew me away! The situation really amazes me - with the drop in Noctilux prices the spread between it and the RF version is as little as $1500....

[dexdog]

and to think that I was thrilled to sell one for $1100 late last year...

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by gdi

......with the drop in Noctilux prices the spread between it and the RF version is as little as $1500....

What drop in Noctilux prices?

Jim B.

[maddoc]

Noctilux lenses dropped from the $5K - $6K range last summer to $3K (with a little patience) - $4K (January this year).

[kbg32]

Please show me where the Noctilux prices have dropped!

[maddoc]

Originally Posted by kbg32

Please show me where the Noctilux prices have dropped!

Ebay, completed listings. Just out of curiosity I check from time to time and in January this year, three were sold in the $3.3K to $3.5K range, two or so around $4k and one (newest version with box, papers etc complete) for > $5K. Some listed for >5K or higher didn't sell.

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by maddoc

Ebay, completed listings. Just out of curiosity I check from time to time and in January this year, three were sold in the $3.3K to $3.5K range, two or so around $4k and one (newest version with box, papers etc complete) for > $5K. Some listed for >5K or higher didn't sell.

Back in 2002 or so you buy a used Noctilux for around $2,000, sometimes less if you found a beater.

Jim B.

[crawdiddy]

$1900 is crazy for this lens. I think something is fishy with this particular sale.

[maddoc]

I know .... prices went up steeply since then. I think they were still below $3000 two years ago (when I bought my first Leica), should have bought a Noctilux at that time

[gdi]

Originally Posted by kbg32

Please show me where the Noctilux prices have dropped!

As pointed out, prices in the mid $3000 range seem fairly common for what seem to be very nice lenses. Still very expensive but a good bit less than they were a few months ago

[gdi]

Originally Posted by crawdiddy

$1900 is crazy for this lens. I think something is fishy with this particular sale.

I don't think so - I know of another one sold recently for $2k - though converted to M Mount. And like I pointed out, even the TV has gone for over a thousand recently.

I think this is a case of a lens coming into its own due to digital, but these prices are surprising none the less...

[gdi]

Originally Posted by photomoof

Any truly mint boxed Nikkor is going to bring more money, since it then becomes of interest to collectors. 15 years ago that lens would have fetched $1500 easily if it was truly mint, and complete.

But you are right about TV lenses, they are really not worth much, but it seems the .95 is always in demand right now. The best way to buy one (.95) is with a body.

I predict the TV lens will continue to sell in a much higher range than previously and should become worth very close to the RF version. There are two reasons:

• It is now possible to get one converted to M for only about a $30 more than the RF conversion
• Also, the TV will work with no modification on the G1 - you just need a C-Mount to G1 adapter that can accommodate its rather large diameter C mount rear cap. Strike the above - I do NOT think it will be possible to use a TV version withou modification!

And for the record, my predictions are rarely correct.

[cmogi10]

I think everyone should just buy a ZM Sonnar then realize it's fast enough and looks better(IMO), is smaller (NOT IMO) and is more versatile and then put an end to all this fast/bokeh overpriced shenanigans.

[gdi]

Originally Posted by cmogi10

I think everyone should just buy a ZM Sonnar then realize it's fast enough and looks better(IMO), is smaller (NOT IMO) and is more versatile and then put an end to all this fast/bokeh overpriced shenanigans.

Fast enough??

No such thing!

[Abbazz]

Originally Posted by kbg32

Please show me where the Noctilux prices have dropped!

Here on Keh, you can have a Noctilux from a reputable seller for $3520. It has been quite a while since the last time the Noctilux had reached this price point.

Furthermore, I have never seen so many Noctilux for sale before: they are now everywhere. There has been too much speculation around this lens recently and its price had reached insane levels. The release of a faster successor is bringing back the price to more normal levels, so the speculators are getting them out of the vaults.

Cheers!

Abbazz

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by Abbazz

Here on Keh, you can have a Noctilux from a reputable seller for $3520. It has been quite a while since the last time the Noctilux had reached this price point.

Yeah, but this is for a "bargain" version. Five other Noctilux's on the KEH website, in excellent or better condition, are going from between $5,000 - $5,800. I still see no evidence that Noctilux prices have dropped.

Jim B.

[gdi]

Originally Posted by Mackinaw

Yeah, but this is for a "bargain" version. Five other Noctilux's on the KEH website, in excellent or better condition, are going from between $5,000 - $5,800. I still see no evidence that Noctilux prices have dropped.

Jim B.

Of course they have dropped. It only makes sense they would, they were run up in the summer before the economy tanked ( remember when a dealer was buying every one in sight and then trying to get $10k for them?) and now there is a correction.

It was pointed out that several have gone in the mid $3k range on ebay recently and then there is the one on KEH - which has been there for weeks. Note that the later more expensive ones at KEH are not moving quickly either, as far as I have noticed. A KEH bargain rated lens would have gone for significantly more than $3500 six months ago.

Here is a very nice late E60 that went for $3688

http://cgi.ebay.com/Leica-Noctilux-M-50mm-F-1-Lens-W-Caps-Bag-Filter-EX_W0QQitemZ320336462443QQcmdZViewItemQQptZCamera_ Lenses?hash=item320336462443&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14& _trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A16|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Again, my surprise is not at the drop in Noctilux prices, but the runup of Canon...

[Abbazz]

Originally Posted by gdi

Again, my surprise is not at the drop in Noctilux prices, but the runup of Canon...

That's the G1 effect. People are beginning to realize that the Canon is a much better lens than suggested by its reputation. With the accurate focusing allowed by the G1, the Canon Dream delivers pictures which are actually quite good for an equivalent 100mm F/0.95 lens. I bet prices will increase even more when Olympus releases its compact EVIL camera with built-in stabilization.

Cheers!

Abbazz

[cmogi10]

Originally Posted by gdi

Fast enough??

No such thing!

Bah!

Hmph!

I can't think of a smart retort.
I like my Sonnar.

[LeicaTom]

Originally Posted by Abbazz

That's the G1 effect. People are beginning to realize that the Canon is a much better lens than suggested by its reputation. With the accurate focusing allowed by the G1, the Canon Dream delivers pictures which are actually quite good for an equivalent 100mm F/0.95 lens. I bet prices will increase even more when Olympus releases its compact EVIL camera with built-in stabilization.

Cheers!

Abbazz

Where are all these G1 shooters with f0.95`s?????

Please have them come over to my thread and post some of these "100mm f0.95 pix"

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=69932

I really want to see what all this "hype" is about, (about using the f0.95 on the G1) and if it`s all there and really worth what it`s cracked up to be, I`ll offer one of my very rare 1945 Leica IIIC K (non stamps) up for a trade for one. That`s a tempting morsel for anyone out there who`s wants a rare Leica.

Who`s actually using a f0.95 TV on a G1 now????
Let`s see photos and what the performance looks like (post at my thread please)

I`ve been sold on the Canon f1.5 and CZJ and Japan Zeiss Sonnar`s, but I`m still not all that convinced yet that the f0.95 is worth all this money.....so someone convince me!

Tom

PS: I`ve seen how good the modern Ziess Sonnar looks on a G1, I hope I can get to see what some other lenses look like used on that thing, especially the f0.95 - I really want to see if this G1 is worth all this hype???

[whitecat]

Check this one....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=220357894623

[cam]

Originally Posted by gdi

Fast enough??

No such thing!

+1

as an owner of the Sonnar and the Noctilux i so agree.

i am now completely broke and will never know if that extra .5 makes even more of a difference. the rise in the price of the Canon actually drove me to get the Nocti -- whose draw i preferred and wanted all along.

[Olsen]

I bought my Noctilux, the then latest version with the built-in sun shade, for - what was then equal to 1,600 - 1,700 US$ (NOK 15.000). This was back in 2006. I thought the seller was a greedy devil since I had just missed buying a 2.hand Noctilux (older version) in Singapore for 1,500 S$ - which equalled something like 1,100 US$ back then.

I bought a Canon EF 50 mm 1,0L even cheaper; 1,000 US$ back in 2001. Neither the seller or I had a clue to what it was worth.

No more Noctilux bashing, but I think that 3-4,000 US$ should be a fair price - for the new Leica 50 mm 0,95. The Noctilux is not all that good, but it is special....