Leica MP "2005 Edition Leica 60th Jubilee Independence 1945-2005 ROK"

[rlouzan]

WOW

http://translate.google.es/translate...hl=es&ie=UTF-8

[Rayt]

Nice camera! Any Korean members here can elaborate on the significance of the hand and apparently some missing digits?

[kipkeston]

i like that summicron!

[rlouzan]

*Only 60 cameras worldwide.

Originally Posted by Rayt

Nice camera! Any Korean members here can elaborate on the significance of the hand and apparently some missing digits?

[naos]

I'm not sure about the weird handprint, but the chinese writing next to it says: "Tae Han Min Gook" which means "Republic of Korea".

[naos]

I talked to my Leica dealer in Korea and was told the hand print is of An Jung Geun; a famous Korean independence fighter. More pics can be seen here:

http://www.leicaclub.net/forums/show...0627#post80627

Info on An Jung Geun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Jung-geun

[rlouzan]

The most beautiful camera I have seen.

[Tuolumne]

Almost seems like a reasonable price by today's standards. I have a 50th anniversary Leica M4-P engraved with matching 50mm Summicron lens somewhere around here.

/T

[RdEoSg]

Originally Posted by naos

I'm not sure about the weird handprint, but the chinese writing next to it says: "Tae Han Min Gook" which means "Republic of Korea".

Soooo.. why does a camera celebrating Korea write Republic of Korea in Chinese on the top of it?!?!?!

Or did you mean it says that in Korean?

[ClaremontPhoto]

Originally Posted by Tuolumne

I have a 50th anniversary Leica M4-P engraved with matching 50mm Summicron lens somewhere around here.

Isn't it so easy to lose these things?

I have a month-old bread roll somewhere under the kitchen table also.

[rlouzan]

OK, Lets NOT start a WAR!!!

Originally Posted by ClaremontPhoto

Isn't it so easy to lose these things?

I have a month-old bread roll somewhere under the kitchen table also.

[ClaremontPhoto]

If you find your M4-P then I'll find my bread roll.

[rlouzan]

Jon,

I´m not Tuolumne, and my black M4-P is next to me - now find that bread roll.

Regards,

RLouzan

Originally Posted by ClaremontPhoto

If you find your M4-P then I'll find my bread roll.

[ClaremontPhoto]

I found the bread roll.

It's well 'brassed'.

[naos]

Originally Posted by RdEoSg

Soooo.. why does a camera celebrating Korea write Republic of Korea in Chinese on the top of it?!?!?!

Or did you mean it says that in Korean?

In the old days, only aristocrats could read and write in Korea using Chinese. The actual written Korean characters (Hanguel) didn't come along until the Joseon Dynasty created by Sejeong. Chinese characters are used because that's how it was written back then.

Chinese characters used today in newspaper headlines and when writing ones name on official documents amongst other things.

Even the Japanese use Chinese Characters (Kanji) in their writing system.

If I were in charge, I would have used the Korean spelling......

[RdEoSg]

Ah now it makes sense! I by no means can read chinese or korean, though I do have some chinese tattooed to my leg but thats another story, but usually you an tell the difference between the languages anyways. Korean has a different look to it and this didn't look korean to me either!

I didn't know that chinese was used in other langauges.

[Rayt]

In the ancient days Korean was a spoken, not a written language. The Korean written language was developed (correct me if I am wrong) around 800 years ago. Same for Japan. This is not unusual.

[shimo-kitasnap]

I've always wanted to try and learn it. I took Japanese in college and found the 3 different forms of written language difficult to remember. I heard Korean is all one phonetical system, with some Chinese charecters but they aren't used as much as in Japanese whcih use them almost all the time unless talking about foreign things.

[kemal_mumcu]

What's with the 35 asph? I like the lines actually. It seems more retro somehow. Is this a specially designed lens for the camera?

[rlouzan]

No, LEICA MP 0.72 LHSA 1968-2003 Gray Hammertone kit. The exterior is similar to the 35mm Summicron-m V.1

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[furcafe]

Yes, China played a cultural role in East Asia similar to that of the Hellenic & Roman empires in the West. Thus, the Koreans, Japanese, & Vietnamese all used Chinese characters for their written languages, just like the Russians adopted the Greek alphabet & the Latin alphabet was adopted by the countries succeeding the Western Roman empire.

Originally Posted by RdEoSg

Ah now it makes sense! I by no means can read chinese or korean, though I do have some chinese tattooed to my leg but thats another story, but usually you an tell the difference between the languages anyways. Korean has a different look to it and this didn't look korean to me either!

I didn't know that chinese was used in other langauges.

[capitalK]

Originally Posted by naos

I talked to my Leica dealer in Korea and was told the hand print is of An Jung Geun; a famous Korean independence fighter.

He must have had incredibly small hands.

That camera is pretty darn gorgeous.

[Roger Hicks]

Originally Posted by furcafe

Yes, China played a cultural role in East Asia similar to that of the Hellenic & Roman empires in the West. Thus, the Koreans, Japanese, & Vietnamese all used Chinese characters for their written languages, just like the Russians adopted the Greek alphabet & the Latin alphabet was adopted by the countries succeeding the Western Roman empire.

Can o' worms here. SS Cyril and Methodius drew heavily on the Greek alphabet for Cyrillic (wouldn't Methodical have been a nicer term?) but hardly adopted it wholesale, and Tibetan letters seem (very loosely) based on Sanskrit, as do those of a number of Indian languages. I don't know enough to comment on the relative influence of Sanskrit on other Asian alphabets, but I do know that any claim the Chinese can make for superiority, suzerainty or dominion, they do, regardless of historical justification.

I'm 99% sure you're right about Korean but I'm at least a little suspicious of Viernamese. Not saying you're wrong; just that I never trust the Chinese! (Or, to be fair to my Chinese friends, their governments.)

Cheers,

R.

[furcafe]

I was making no claims of Chinese (or Greek & Roman) cultural "superiority," nor was I trying to say that the Greek alphabet was adopted wholesale by the Russians, et al.; I was merely attempting to draw an analogy to Western examples of linguistic borrowing/imperialism. FWIW, I don't believe there is any dispute that the Vietnamese, Korean, & Japanese all used Chinese characters (or variations on those characters) to represent their written languages (& the Koreans & Japanese still use them on occasion), though Japan & Korea later developed their own scripts & modern Vietnam uses a variation on Latin script promulgated by the French. My understanding is that the use of Chinese characters was mostly imposed on the Vietnamese by direct imperial rule (though retained for centuries after they regained independence), but was voluntarily adopted by the Korean & Japanese kingdoms (along w/Confucianism, models of gov't, etc.).

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Can o' worms here. SS Cyril and Methodius drew heavily on the Greek alphabet for Cyrillic (wouldn't Methodical have been a nicer term?) but hardly adopted it wholesale, and Tibetan letters seem (very loosely) based on Sanskrit, as do those of a number of Indian languages. I don't know enough to comment on the relative influence of Sanskrit on other Asian alphabets, but I do know that any claim the Chinese can make for superiority, suzerainty or dominion, they do, regardless of historical justification.

I'm 99% sure you're right about Korean but I'm at least a little suspicious of Viernamese. Not saying you're wrong; just that I never trust the Chinese! (Or, to be fair to my Chinese friends, their governments.)

Cheers,

R.

[Rayt]

Originally Posted by Roger Hicks

Can o' worms here. SS Cyril and Methodius drew heavily on the Greek alphabet for Cyrillic (wouldn't Methodical have been a nicer term?) but hardly adopted it wholesale, and Tibetan letters seem (very loosely) based on Sanskrit, as do those of a number of Indian languages. I don't know enough to comment on the relative influence of Sanskrit on other Asian alphabets, but I do know that any claim the Chinese can make for superiority, suzerainty or dominion, they do, regardless of historical justification.

I'm 99% sure you're right about Korean but I'm at least a little suspicious of Viernamese. Not saying you're wrong; just that I never trust the Chinese! (Or, to be fair to my Chinese friends, their governments.)

Cheers,

R.

Don't let hatred blind you. The current Chinese government is only 60 years old, a mere pimple in the vast 3000 years of recorded Chinese history.