Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > Rangefinder Forum > Image Processing: Darkroom / Lightroom / Film > Analog DarkRoom / Printing

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Exposure meter - or something else ??
Old 08-16-2008   #1
Joao
Negativistic forever
 
Joao's Avatar
 
Joao is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 38º.40.807´N 9º.09.499' W
Posts: 1,004
Exposure meter - or something else ??

Hello
I am currently ressuscitating an old Durst 606 enlarger, and now I need to ascertain that the light reaching the paper is homogeneous, I mean, that it has the same intensity in all the exposed paper. What is the best way to do this? Will a exposure meter (enlarger meter) be enough for this purpose? Any other way? Thanks in advance for your sugestions.
best regards
Joao
__________________
RFs: FED (2, 5), Zorki(1,4K,6), Sokol-2, Junost, Kiev (4 e 4AM)Yashica 35 ElectroGSN, Lynx , Seagull 205 , Great Wall and scalefinders: Cosmic 35, FED-50,Smena-8M, Voigtlander Vito (B and II), Kiev 35A,
Half-frame: Pentacon Penti, Fujica Drive, Canon Demi-S
MFs: Iskra, Estafeta, Agfa Isolette
TLR: Komsomolyets,Lubitel(2, 166),Flexaret,
SLRs: Kiev-10, Zenit (E, 3M, 122, 12XP,19, TTL,ES), Kristall, Praktica ( B200, BX20,) , Olympus OM-2n

The world is one country
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2008   #2
Roger Hicks
Registered User
 
Roger Hicks is online now
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Aquitaine
Posts: 18,260
Dear Joao,

'Waste' a sheet of paper exposed to give a light grey (no film in the carrier -- or a piece of tracing paper if you want a longer exposure.

Or put 5 pieces of smaller paper on the baseboard; develop all five to completion.

Bear in mind that some vignetting is normal.

Cheers,

R.
__________________
Now even more free photography information on www.rogerandfrances.com
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2008   #3
Joao
Negativistic forever
 
Joao's Avatar
 
Joao is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 38º.40.807´N 9º.09.499' W
Posts: 1,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by photomoof View Post
. I am just not sure what you could do to fix it if you find a problem, other than buy another enlarger.
Thank you for your input. This particular enlarger can have an uneven distribution of light not seen by the naked eye, depending on the position of the lamb. According to the manual the distribution of light can be corrected by slight changes in the lamp position. I may try to print some photos and check what happens (or maybe print from a blank grey negative??) but it would be easier and quicker if I could find a reiable way of assessing the light before printing.
Thanks also for the link; I believe can have a working meter of a different brand for much less than the price quoted in your link, so it may be worth trying it...
Best regards
Joao
__________________
RFs: FED (2, 5), Zorki(1,4K,6), Sokol-2, Junost, Kiev (4 e 4AM)Yashica 35 ElectroGSN, Lynx , Seagull 205 , Great Wall and scalefinders: Cosmic 35, FED-50,Smena-8M, Voigtlander Vito (B and II), Kiev 35A,
Half-frame: Pentacon Penti, Fujica Drive, Canon Demi-S
MFs: Iskra, Estafeta, Agfa Isolette
TLR: Komsomolyets,Lubitel(2, 166),Flexaret,
SLRs: Kiev-10, Zenit (E, 3M, 122, 12XP,19, TTL,ES), Kristall, Praktica ( B200, BX20,) , Olympus OM-2n

The world is one country
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2008   #4
Joao
Negativistic forever
 
Joao's Avatar
 
Joao is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: 38º.40.807´N 9º.09.499' W
Posts: 1,004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
Dear Joao,

'Waste' a sheet of paper exposed to give a light grey (no film in the carrier -- or a piece of tracing paper if you want a longer exposure.

Or put 5 pieces of smaller paper on the baseboard; develop all five to completion.

Bear in mind that some vignetting is normal.

Cheers,

R.
Thanks, I supposed that a grey negative (or someting like that) was needed (see my previous post). I will give it a try - and maybe I could use my money in something other than an exposure meter...
Best regards
Joao
__________________
RFs: FED (2, 5), Zorki(1,4K,6), Sokol-2, Junost, Kiev (4 e 4AM)Yashica 35 ElectroGSN, Lynx , Seagull 205 , Great Wall and scalefinders: Cosmic 35, FED-50,Smena-8M, Voigtlander Vito (B and II), Kiev 35A,
Half-frame: Pentacon Penti, Fujica Drive, Canon Demi-S
MFs: Iskra, Estafeta, Agfa Isolette
TLR: Komsomolyets,Lubitel(2, 166),Flexaret,
SLRs: Kiev-10, Zenit (E, 3M, 122, 12XP,19, TTL,ES), Kristall, Praktica ( B200, BX20,) , Olympus OM-2n

The world is one country
  Reply With Quote

Old 08-16-2008   #5
Roger Hicks
Registered User
 
Roger Hicks is online now
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Aquitaine
Posts: 18,260
Dear Joao,

Bear in mind that the eye is a VERY good comparator, so you should be able to 'eyeball' the most even illumination if (as with most enlargers with movable bulbs) you can move the bulb while it is on.

Then test it as suggested.

Cheers,

R.
__________________
Now even more free photography information on www.rogerandfrances.com
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-09-2009   #6
Nicholas O. Lindan
Registered User
 
Nicholas O. Lindan is offline
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
Bear in mind that the eye is a VERY good comparator
Well, yes and no. If the areas are adjacent with a clear demarcation between the areas then they eye can see small differences.

But, if the areas being compared are separated then the eye is easily led astray:

http://web.mit.edu/persci/people/ade..._illusion.html

The eye (my eye, at the least) can't reliably sense 1/2 a stop of fall-off on an enlarging easel.

--
Nicholas O. Lindan
Darkroom Automation

Last edited by Nicholas O. Lindan : 03-09-2009 at 19:03.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-09-2009   #7
maddoc
... likes film.
 
maddoc's Avatar
 
maddoc is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: 調布市
Age: 47
Posts: 6,466
Interesting thread ! I just recently started wet-printing again (using an old Durst M601, with both condensor and CLS66 color-head) and asked myself the same question: How to adjust the bulb (when using the condensor) to get really homogeneous illumination ?
__________________
- Gabor

flickr
pBase
blog
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-10-2009   #8
titrisol
Bottom Feeder
 
titrisol's Avatar
 
titrisol is offline
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Rotterdam / Quito
Age: 42
Posts: 1,305
Get an Ilford EM10, excellent enlarging light meter.
You can assert differences of 1/4 stop
__________________
When I think back of all the crappy pictures I've taken, it's a wonder I can see at all......
APX It gives us the nicer grays/It gives the cleanes whites/Makes you think all the world’s a sunny day, oh yeah/I got a nikon camera/I love to take a photograph
MAMA DON'T TAKE MY APX AWAY........
Sorry Paul Simon


My gallery
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-10-2009   #9
maddoc
... likes film.
 
maddoc's Avatar
 
maddoc is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: 調布市
Age: 47
Posts: 6,466
Quote:
Originally Posted by titrisol View Post
Get an Ilford EM10, excellent enlarging light meter.
You can assert differences of 1/4 stop
Thanks !! Just started looking for one !
__________________
- Gabor

flickr
pBase
blog
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-10-2009   #10
Nicholas O. Lindan
Registered User
 
Nicholas O. Lindan is offline
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 3
Quote:
Originally Posted by titrisol View Post
EM10...You can assert differences of 1/4 stop
1/4 of a stop is 1/2 of a Zone-system zone/tone when it comes to paper. You may find you want to be able to measure evenness of illumination to a finer degree.
__________________
Nicholas O. Lindan
Darkroom Automation
http://www.darkroomautomation.com/da-main.htm

Last edited by Nicholas O. Lindan : 03-10-2009 at 13:37.
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 13:06.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.