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Old 05-20-2008   #1
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I'm starting to get the hang of the M8's files.
Jpegs are crap but the RAW files are outstanding!

It will take some time to shoot the M8 just like I do with M film cameras but I feel I'm getting there.










You can relate to what I said? If yes, then please post your M8 shots
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You are limiting yourself if you shoot your M8 "just like your film M's" one of the great advantages of digital that it has returned you darkroom to you-and more. High dynamic range, selective sharpening and selective coulour are but a few options to take your work to a new level.
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You are limiting yourself if you shoot your M8 "just like your film M's" one of the great advantages of digital that it has returned you darkroom to you-and more. High dynamic range, selective sharpening and selective coulour are but a few options to take your work to a new level.
The purpose of the M8, in my case, is to go back to the shooting experience just like with film (which I prefer to digital, anytime!). See with the heart, aim, capture.

For anythng else, I have my Nikon iDiot system
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The purpose of the M8, in my case, is to go back to the shooting experience just like with film (which I prefer to digital, anytime!). See with the heart, aim, capture.

For anythng else, I have my Nikon iDiot system
You left half of it out: Off to the darkroom. Or did youuse a 24 hour lab. No? In the digital age that means put in computer time post-processing and hone your skills. Of course, as you say, there are automated cameras out there, most of them in fact, that will do the thinking for you in this respect...
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You left half of it out: Off to the darkroom. Or did youuse a 24 hour lab. No? In the digital age that means put in computer time post-processing and hone your skills. Of course, as you say, there are automated cameras out there, most of them in fact, that will do the thinking for you in this respect...

Oooh... I see. You are in for a bout. No problemo. I happen to love bouts. The joy is, my opponents usually lose in this game. I think we're in for some great fun.

You please start with your 10 best digital images and I will follow, ok?

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I happen to love bouts. The joy is, my opponents usually lose in this game.
No, we all lose.

Stop to consider that perhaps he was making a friendly suggestion.
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By no means a masterpiece. Just a simple shot I had fun while shooting in a film way without chimping, by zone focusing and not really caring for the digital side of things.

Yes, the downsizing caused the jags and shooting at f8 Caused the dirt to show... The usual suspects. I won't go crazy over that
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Hum, I don't think so. You post your shots and I will post mine. And we'll talk about skill. A'right?
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No, we all lose.

Stop to consider that perhaps he was making a friendly suggestion.
I'm all for friendly suggestions. But if someone comes in saying the picture is badly composed and half of the subject is cut out, I'm sorry to say that person lost some serious credibility from the start
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You posted a "simple fun shot" by "zone focussing" and "not caring", then want to fight because of an honest critique?

You've already lost.
You don't even make me laugh anymore.
Pitxu, I never laughed at your very sad posts to start with.

Yes, simple shot, zone focusing ang not caring for the DIGITAL Jags nor Dust. Why would I care for Jags and dust? My Pixel peeping days are far and well behind me.
But please do share your thoughts on the picture. Shoot your honest critique.
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Now we're very far from my original intention of just having people post and talk about the film-like shooting sensation of the M8.

For the peepers and criticizers;
Here's the scene I was confronted to. As you can see, not much play composition wise. The shot I originally posted was underexposed due to the sky and I took care of the rest in PP to give it a twist it lacked.

I'm not sure what would you guys do in this case? Here's the original scene, uncropped of course.

Let's discuss. And Pitxu, your artistic vision is welcome. Don't let us down now.
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I wouldn't allow myself a harsh downsizing if I intented to post the picture on the Internet.

You must have a very dirty sensor. I shoot at f/8 and f/11 with my DSLR quite often and I never get that myriad of dust spots to cover an even blue sky. I have to stop down at f/22 to see them, and they're not that numerous.
I allow myself harsh downsizing because, obviously, this is not a money shot, it is not intended to a royal crowd of any sort and usually doesn't bother people. I allow this to myself because photography goes beyond a dust in the sky and a jag in an ugly phone line.

I have to say I'm astounded at the unconstructive pickiness, especially this being RFF.
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I have to say I'm astounded at the unconstructive pickiness, especially this being RFF.
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Here's another M8 shot of mine which I find appealing. This is my favorite missed shot so far.

Pichou, I miss you. Come back... I want your expert presence.

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And the point is? This is a weeeird place with weeeird people.

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Highway61, what's your point with those pics? Have you understood this thread (which is about the M8)?
You didn't get it all along and this makes me wonder why I even bothered answering your posts.



I'm totally confused.
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Okay. I get it. Time for that ignore user function.
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I'm starting to get the hang of the M8's files.
Jpegs are crap but the RAW files are outstanding!

It will take some time to shoot the M8 just like I do with M film cameras but I feel I'm getting there.

You can relate to what I said? If yes, then please post your M8 shots
Very funny Ned.

So you are posting your worst M8 shots (if they really are M8), saying how much you like them,

just daring someone to say the truth, ie "The Emperor has no clothes."

OK Ned. The two shots you posted in the thread are remarkable only in being so ordinary. If that is the best you can do with the M8, time to sell the M8 and go back to film.

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(what the hell is going on here?)
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Hmmmmm, was it shot with a noctilux too?
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Though one might notice that the bokeh isn't very sharp.....
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I'm starting to get the hang of the M8's files.
Jpegs are crap but the RAW files are outstanding!

It will take some time to shoot the M8 just like I do with M film cameras but I feel I'm getting there.

You can relate to what I said? If yes, then please post your M8 shots

I can't relate to that not having an M8 but I understand you have a Noctilux - have you tried the M8 with that? I would be interested to see some samples please, whether B/W or Colour, if you have some at hand of course.

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Hi Highway 61,

I can't see the image you've linked your post to.

I just wanted to see some samples from the O.P. or whoever who has them, out of interest, that's all.

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Hum, I don't think so. You post your shots and I will post mine. And we'll talk about skill. A'right?
Not quite my style. I leave the fisticuffs to others.
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Not quite my style. I leave the fisticuffs to others.
Too bad. So I guess I'll never know how brilliant or how bad you are at post processing digital files. So if you don't want to play, please don't give lectures and lousy advice.
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Good. So to end this digital debate on a good note, here is what I came up with. The processing is mine. Also, note the lack of dust and no jaggies. And the composition is not made by a 1 hour lab. I made it myself. No noise. How fantastic.
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Too much noise. Try a D3 instead.
What's wrong with noise?
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Jaapv, the M8 has too much noise for that kind of photography, don't you think? Plus it would help to have 8 frames per second.
I agree for web use. In print, it is another story. I do not like the SMOOOOOOOOTh look. I fear I cannot think at 8 frames per second. I never use continuous mode. If I needed it I would not use an M8.
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Very funny Ned.

So you are posting your worst M8 shots (if they really are M8), saying how much you like them,

just daring someone to say the truth, ie "The Emperor has no clothes."

OK Ned. The two shots you posted in the thread are remarkable only in being so ordinary. If that is the best you can do with the M8, time to sell the M8 and go back to film.

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Are you saying film is for creating ordinary images and digital for more then ordinary images?

No Stephen. I enjoy shooting the M8 for its simpleness. I was only trying to stir a conversation.

As we all know, shooting film and shooting digital are entirely different. Different philosophies. I thought it would be interesting to know what people think about it. How they shoot theirs. Are they after exactness such a DSLR or are they persuing a more liberal approach, the rangefinder way?

But if you insist that people only post extraordinary images in your forum, I'm afraid you'd end up with no participants.
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My darkroom is fully operational. I print my own for the past 17 year now (started around 15). Took a 2 year or so break when I first got a D100, some 5 years ago.
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Fred,
I agree if I put my purist hat on. But I've shot many BW films lately and I just scanned the negatives and retouched in photoshop with results that, sometimes, I couldn't dream on achieving in my darkroom. Dodging and burning in places I can't normally reach. Contrast layers, masks...

Also comes to mind Andy Summers' exhibition I visited 6 months ago. All his BW prints we're all scanned negatives from the 70's and 80's and printed on HP scanner. The photos we're great. I guess all depends on the output paper. Cotton rag usually erases digital flaws...

I consider myself a purist but I have achieved enough good results by scanning my negs so I can't really jusge digital Versus film shooting in regards to print alone. For me, the main difference is in the shooting stage.
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Hey John!

Have you left the country? How are your plans going through?

Yes, this thread is weird. Happens... :-)
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ned, this thread is sad. it smells so much of jealousy, hate and satire here. RFF is gone completely crazy!!!

I dont really think that most people here recognize how good your two m8 shoots here. So it is okay to continue to be a misunderstood artist and have fun for while. Shoot for fun sake, it is what one says.

First photo is special. I thought at first that face in the car could be more visible but when I look at your original file, so I think you did good PP. Is it not boring to process that much for every file? It feels like the digital process is quite more time consuming than you believe. I guess one can always use script/action instead. Digital is not only the positive thing, also devilish
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I like my the first shot and this is why I posted it. It's strictly my taste so I can't talk for others. I also like the second shot which is, like I already said, my best M8 missed shot so far.
I'm not sure what happened in this thread, including me, but I have to thank Stephen Gandy for letting us express ourselves. This is a very cool place after all.
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