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What new Voigtlander RF or SLR product would you like to see?
Old 04-13-2008   #1
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What new Voigtlander RF or SLR product would you like to see?

OK, everyone seems to want a digital Bessa, but that is probably not close.

Besides the Digital Bessa, what NEW Voigtlander rangefinder or SLR lens would you like to see?

Cosina IS watching.

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50mm f1.2 in M-mount for under $500

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How about a Bessa R5 with RF/VF set up for 50, 90, 135mm lenses? To accompany the R4. And to go with it an LTM 135mm lens. Needn't be especially fast.
Or something really wild: a pellix(sp?) mirror , ahem, SLR able to use most LTM and M mount lenses. Not sure if that's really possible but if the mirror doesn't have to swing out of the way, I'd think the flange to film distance could be shorter.
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What about a 21mm metal brightline viewfinder similar to the existing 28mm and 35mm versions? (And optionally a 21mm f/2.8 lens to go with it).

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A fast rangefinder coupled wide angle lens in M mount, 18mm f2.8, 21mm f2.8 or 25mm f2.8
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The Nokton 50/1.5 in M-mount and MUCH better built body.
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The "Bessa RX": a Bessa M-mount RF body with a zoom viewfinder and electronically controlled brightlines. Zoom viewfinder: either discrete or continuous viewfinder magnification control. Continuous would be wonderful for determining the ratio of visibility inside vs. outside the brightlines, and for improving visibility for glasses wearers. Electronically controlled brightlines: a single parallax corrected brightline is displayed, selectable for any focal length from 15 to 135 mm, limited only by what's actually visible at the current VF magnification.

If they make it, I'd *love* a trip to Japan to meet Kobayashi-san and the Cosina engineering team. ;-)
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I would like a faster alternative to to the 75 Color Heliar, a 75mm f1.4 for around $500 would find a large niche in the RF world as the only current options are the CV 75 Heliar ($300) 75 Summarit ($1495), 75 Cron ($2995), and 75 Summilux ($5000).
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What about a 21mm metal brightline viewfinder similar to the existing 28mm and 35mm versions? (And optionally a 21mm f/2.8 lens to go with it).

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50mm 1.0 for under $1200, or 1.2 for under $1000.
75mm 1.4.

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Nokton 50mm 1.5 in Canon EF mount (with AF).

I'll not hold my breath, though.
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Solve the strap lug problem. Find a way to move the lugs so that the camera doesn't hang at that wierd angle when the wonderful, light-weight Voigtlander lenses are mounted. Its not right that we have to solve the problem by adding a side grip or trigger winder.

H.B.: Thanks for putting this thread up for consideration.

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Since we're dreaming...

Collapsible Tessar 50/3.5 in LTM, S & C mount versions. Uncoated preferable, single coated acceptable. A 50/2.8 would be acceptable as well, but historically the 3.5 lenses always have out performed the 2.8's.

I'd buy the C mount personally. The others would be to make enough for economic needs.

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#1) Right now my options for a 15mm are the 350$ CV 15 f4.5 or the 4,000$ Zeiss 15 f2.8. It would be very nice to have faster than the CV and cheaper than the Zeiss (like a 15mm 1.4 for 400$

#2) A fast, fixed lens, small rangefinder with AE, manual a TTL metering. Or a compact Bessa R2/3/4/a/m

Here's a few things that I like and dislike about current CV products:

Like:
- 1:1 viewfinder R3A
- AE on the R*A is accurate, and very easy to use
- Well-priced items
- On a superficial note, I love the look of the R*A cameras and the 40mm 1.4, 35mm 1.4, and 35mm pII

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- No AE on the Bessa L
- Bessa L meter only up to ISO 1600
- Meter in the R3a is impossible to read
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50mm f1.2 in M-mount
Yes - except in LTM.

Actually - I'd like to see more of their new lens offerings still in LTM. But alas, I doubt that will happen.
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Nokton 50mm 1.5 in Canon EF mount (with AF).
Actually, even though it's officially Zeiss, I'd changes this to a C-Sonnar 50/1.5. Mmmm.... I'd do many unspeakable things for this - E mount (i.e. no AF ) would be fine too

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Old 04-13-2008   #16
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28mm f/1.7 or 25mm f/2.5 on the wide end.

50mm f/1.2 as a fast normal.

75mm f/2 or 90mm f/2.5 short telephotos.

All new lenses in M-mount and using aspherical/APO elements as needed.
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*) classic tessar-style 45mm lens
*) a fast lens in an unusual FL, like a 55 or 60/1.2 (with the unusual FL, it wouldn't conflict with the existing product lines of other makers)
*) a "generic" styled RF body (all black, with no lettering whatsoever and perhaps a fixed lens...)
*) a retake on the Leica Thambar: a portrait lens that is romantic and dreamy rather than sharp
*) a single VF that covers 21-25-28, or at least 21 and 28
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What I would BUY:

An R5 with a long EBL. A fast (f2) 90mm lens to go with that.

A really outstanding 50mm f2 to frighten the Summicrons of this world.

What I dream about:

Why not pull out all the stops for a record breaking 50mm? CV already has the fastest 28 and 35. Let's try for a f0.9 50mm at half the price of a Noctilux. Just to shut snobby Leicaphiles and Canon 0.95 owners up People won't exactly need one, and of course it will be compromised in size and performance. But people WILL want it.

On the shameless and unforgivably kitchy self indulgence side: Blue calfskin body covering.
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hmm....

update remaining lenses to m-mount, and maybe change the speed of some lenses:

12/5.6
15/4.5
28/1.9 (or f2.8)
50/1.5 (or f2 rigid)
75/2.5 (or f2)
90/3.5 (or f2.8)
(no focus tabs on the 75 and 90.)

i agree with jamie's strap lug suggestion. some other tweaks to the body could include automatic frameline adjustment and making the flash shoe flush with the top of the body.

they could always make the base length longer, too. guess i should update this pic, but anyway:
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I think blue would look good too.
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What I would BUY:

An R5 with a long EBL. A fast (f2) 90mm lens to go with that.

A really outstanding 50mm f2 to frighten the Summicrons of this world.

What I dream about:

Why not pull out all the stops for a record breaking 50mm? CV already has the fastest 28 and 35. Let's try for a f0.9 50mm at half the price of a Noctilux. Just to shut snobby Leicaphiles and Canon 0.95 owners up People won't exactly need one, and of course it will be compromised in size and performance. But people WILL want it.

On the shameless and unforgivably kitchy self indulgence side: Blue calfskin body covering.
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Old 04-13-2008   #21
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Maybe a 50 1.5 redone in M mount with smaller body OR figure out how to eliminate the wobbling lens cell problem, my zeiss 50 planar and 35 skopar pII both exhibit this problem.

Maybe even a remake of the 50 2.5 in m mount in a pancake style to scare leica's pants off.

Or the best accessory of all, a tab that can be installed on zeiss lenses....

And while we are at it, a 28 1.4
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Old 04-13-2008   #22
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A truly compact 50mm Collapsible Tessar 3.5 or 2.8 in LTM. A modern successor to the Elmar. Given that the Elmar-M has been discontinued, I think that this would find a ready market.

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There really needs to be a better meter readout on the R2A/R3A. It's almost useless in sunlight. I end up having to put my finger in front of the bottom of the VF to see what the reading is.

Ideally, the readout LEDs would be on a black bar at the bottom of the viewfinder so that they could be seen in any light. A needle would be nice too, but might be too hard to see in the dark.

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An affordable and small 28/2 in M-mount. Barring that, a 28/2.5 or 2.8.
A 75/2 for under $400.
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Old 04-13-2008   #25
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A compact RF like the Leica CL, with 1.0x magnification to compensate for the shorter base length. Or a pocket RF like the Contax T with a 40mm f/2.8 lens.
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A small 28mm lens with M-mount, no matter if 2,8 or 3,5.

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Old 04-14-2008   #27
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The current lineup (well bodies anyway) is pretty close to perfection given their price IMO, but I have a couple of minor wishes for an R5... Firstly I'd love a self timer. My second one is completely subjective but I'd really like to see some refinement in the body design. To me the Ikon is sooo much prettier! Is it because the R 'tank' design is just a little too utilitarian and angular? Could we also at least have a chrome version like the limited edition R2M? On pure aesthetics, I'd love to see the Voigtlander logo on the front in place of the boring lettering - or simply nothing for that matter. Put it on the top plate.

I could ask for a larger/brighter VF but hey, then I'd be asking for an Ikon ;-)

So there - one semi sensible suggestion and the other just aesthetics... but that's important too! :-)
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The current lineup (well bodies anyway) is pretty close to perfection given their price IMO, but I have a couple of minor wishes for an R5... Firstly I'd love a self timer.

My second wish is completely subjective but I'd really like to see some refinement in the body design. To me the Ikon is sooo much prettier! Is it because the R 'tank' design is just a little too utilitarian and angular around the VF? I liked the 'R' better. Could we also at least have a chrome version like the limited edition R2M? On pure aesthetics, I'd love to see the Voigtlander logo on the front in place of the boring lettering - or simply nothing for that matter. Put it on the top plate.

I could ask for a larger/brighter VF but hey, then I'd be asking for an Ikon ;-)

So there - one semi sensible suggestion and the other just aesthetics... but that's important too! :-)

Sorry for the duplication - newbie alert!!! Just realized the question asked about lenses not bodies... I'm an idiot! I will crawl into my corner then and ask for a rerelease of the 50mm Heliar!

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two types of r5 metal and plastic (plastic would be something like a new generation of r - low price like r also) but with long rf base in 2 versions m and ltm mount. mechanical shutter of course. if it lowers the price it could be without meter. it would be great camera for use and available for everyone. and some decently fast 50 lens which go with it - it can be based on some old design - sonnar (like jupiter 8 for example - everyone would love to have brand new sonnar type lens) lens could be offered also in 2 versions - one with nicer finish and barrel made of more expensive materials, and other can be more expensive but also more quality made. if they could keep price low enough - i think they would sell really a lot.
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Considering how often I drool on the Matsuiyastore website over the Hexanon 50 1.2 (priced over $2000 bucks,) an all metal 50 1.2 M as compact as possible and for about $1000 please and available in a high quality chrome finish.
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How about a 25-35-50 Tri-Skopar? But only if it's compact. Doesn't even need to be f2-f2.8, if it's f4 is fine. Just make it the ideal travel solution. Complete with a matching multi focal length finder to get it to work on a Bessa-T... Wouldn't that be nice?
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An accessory finder for multiple focal lengths should be welcomed by many RF users.
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A truly compact 50mm Collapsible Tessar 3.5 or 2.8 in LTM. A modern successor to the Elmar.
Seconded; this was my first thought too.

I found it depressing how many people specified prices for their 'want' lenses: usually, unrealistically low prices. I'd rather have it made right than made cheap.

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How about a 25-35-50 Tri-Skopar? But only if it's compact. Doesn't even need to be f2-f2.8, if it's f4 is fine. Just make it the ideal travel solution. Complete with a matching multi focal length finder to get it to work on a Bessa-T... Wouldn't that be nice?
A humbler request: a dual lens 21-35mm/f4 (though the faster the better). It would be fine on a R4, but I admit I am cheating here since I would use it on a R-D1... It doesn't need to be particularly compact, the size of the Hexanon dual lens 21-35mm/f3.4-4 is a good start.
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A 25mm M mount lens with a more realistic speed ... f2.8 would be nice, to match the Zeiss ... but maybe a couple of hundred dollars cheaper!
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Seconded; this was my first thought too.

I found it depressing how many people specified prices for their 'want' lenses: usually, unrealistically low prices. I'd rather have it made right than made cheap.

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I don't think it's unfair that people state a 'want' price, even if it's 'cheap'. If you want perfect, there's always the red-dot brand..

Besides, so far, I haven't seen anything that's completely off limits, as long as you take the smilies into account.. Ok, a $500 50/1.2 is pushing it, but is it really impossible if the only goal is 1.2 and we'll accept at what ever other limitations it comes?

I'd consider these 'want' prices as cross-over points, where affordable and sensible start to lose from prestige and perfection..
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How about a 25-35-50 Tri-Skopar? But only if it's compact. Doesn't even need to be f2-f2.8, if it's f4 is fine. Just make it the ideal travel solution. Complete with a matching multi focal length finder to get it to work on a Bessa-T... Wouldn't that be nice?
I was just going to suggest a 35-50-90 equivalent to go on my M2.
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I also like the Tri-Skopar idea, but would prefer 28-35-50, as they're more standard focal lengths. If there is a multi focal length finder, make sure that it is purchased separately. Regarding speed, f/4 would probably be realistic, f/3.5 would be great and I would buy one in a second at f/2.8. Again it would have to be a reasonable size. If three focal lengths is too much to ask, I'd go for a 35-50 f/2.8.

Such a lens might not be a very good seller though. If CV wants to make something that people will drool over, I'd suggest a 50mm f/1.2 lens similar to the 35mm ASPH Nokton. At under $1000 (like the Nokton), I think that it would sell very well. The build quality would have to be high.
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I think a 75/2 lens is in order (although I secretly wish that cosina would make an exact copy of the infamous leica 75/2.4 prototype).

An affordable 50/1.2 would also be a step in the right direction seeing as though all the modern versions of these lenses go for silly money.
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Second this but would want a Nikon S mount and LTM.

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Collapsible Tessar 50/3.5 in LTM, S & C mount versions. Uncoated preferable, single coated acceptable. A 50/2.8 would be acceptable as well, but historically the 3.5 lenses always have out performed the 2.8's.

I'd buy the C mount personally. The others would be to make enough for economic needs.

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