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Konica Fast Lenses: M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and 60mm f1.2
Old 02-06-2008   #1
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Konica Fast Lenses: M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and 60mm f1.2

I tried to find info on the M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and the 60mm f1.2 and usually, the info is in dribs and drabs. Compared to the other jewels like the UC-Hexanon 35mm f2 or the 50mm f2, information is scarce. So I decided to start a thread on these lenses and ask for everyone's input. Feel free to keep adding pictures, info, data, history or whatever you have.

With prices rising and sighs about soaring prices, especially the 50mm Summilux ASPH and the Noctilux, I think the M-Hexanons present good value a viable alternative.

A thread on the LTM 60mm is here: http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=53042

First off, size comparison:

L-R: Leica Noctilux f1, Konica M-Hexanon 60mm f1.2, Konica M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2, Leica Summilux 50mm f1.2 ASPH.



For the Konica M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2mm lens (62mm filter, 0.9m minimun focusing distance), it comes in a set together with the Millennium Limited Edition camera body. 2001 sets were issued to correspond with the year in which it was launched. According to the Wiki entry:

2001 Limited Edition
"Konica produced a chrome-finish Hexar RF camera, targeted for the year 2001 (the new millennium) in a limited release of 2001 units, supplied in a boxed set including a new M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 lens and HX-18 flash [1]. The lens was only manufactured for this set, so examples are unavailable except in conjunction with the limited-edition kit or the (apparently few) occasions where components of the kit have been separated. This means that most are held by collectors or those willing to pay "collectible" prices."

One reference to the 50mm is from Chasseur d'Image: "Compared to the Noctilux, the 1.2 wins and here noticably at every aperture, vigneting and distortion". However, I'm unable to verify the source (edition date). The diagram below is from an older design in LTM, not the modern M mount version.



The Konica M-Hexanon 60mm (58mm filter, 0.8m minimum focusing distance, 7 elements in 6 groups, 10 aperture blades) was introduced in 1999 at a selling price of US$1,600 for the Japanese domestic market, and 800 were produced. The design as follows:



Reference from Erwin Puts:

http://leica-users.org/v10/msg02766.html

"Through the Hexanon 1.2/60mm at full aperure flows less energy than through the Noctilux 1.0/50mm. In fact the Hexanon at 1,2 is equal to the Noctilux at f/1.4. When comparing the two lenses at their full aperture, one should be aware of the fact that it is a f/1.0 against f/1.4 game.

On test the Hexanon at full aperture produced medium to high overall contrast with excellent on axis performance. Very fine detail is clearly recorded, but tangentially oriented structured are recorded very softly. The overall effect of both orientations would be a softening of the contrast of fine detail. In the field chromatic aberrations can be detected as color fringes around the edges of outlines. Some curvature of field is also noticeable. The on axis performance extends over a circle with a diameter of about 8mm. Beyond this circle, image quality rapidly falls away, and in a small zone beyond the 8mm area, fine detail has good visibility with a low contrast. In the outer zones and far edges the outlines of bigger objects are quite fuzzy.

At a focus distance of 1 meter, this general behavior holds, but contrast drops over the whole image field. Some of the lens-elements of the Hexanon are large and have very thin edges. I could note some decentring. The report is based on the correct centring."

A page from the past in 1956:


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60mm samples wide open:










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Konica Fast Lenses: M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and 60mm f1.2
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Konica Fast Lenses: M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and 60mm f1.2

Forgot to mention that the 60mm is LTM, so it can be coded. I coded it as a Noctilux and it appears to help in some vignetting. For the 50mm, it is M-mount, and despite me not coding it, I cannot detect any vignetting in my photos.
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Old 02-07-2008   #5
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I can't add any information about the lenses, but can I say those are lovely sample images, and you have a lovely family. Keep posting!
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Konica Fast Lenses: M-Hexanon 50mm f1.2 and 60mm f1.2

60mm OOF shots.










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Wow, I want the 60mm!! Great shots, lovely kids.
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Love the pics - great lens performance! I gotta start saving up for one of those rare Hexanons!
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Forgot to mention that the 60mm is LTM, so it can be coded. I coded it as a Noctilux and it appears to help in some vignetting. For the 50mm, it is M-mount, and despite me not coding it, I cannot detect any vignetting in my photos.
Am I correct therefore, that these shots were taken with an M8? (Great shots, great kids, btw.)[left]

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Great photos, from both the 50 and 60. These lenses seem excellent.

Konica also made a 1.2 (50 I think) for their Autoreflex SLR line, does anyone know if these SLR lenses match their M/LTM ones, other than mount?
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Am I correct therefore, that these shots were taken with an M8? (Great shots, great kids, btw.)[left]

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Yes, taken with the M8. Context of my comments are all based on that.
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Great photos, from both the 50 and 60. These lenses seem excellent.

Konica also made a 1.2 (50 I think) for their Autoreflex SLR line, does anyone know if these SLR lenses match their M/LTM ones, other than mount?
I often see that the SLR line does not compare to the RF line (all camera makers), even if the lenses are of the same design.
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At f5.6, the M-Hexanon 60mm is sharp like most lenses, with a medium-high contrast:

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I just received my new 50/1.2 M Hexanon. The instruction manual with block diagram shows the configuration to be similar to most modern 50/1.2 lenses, i.e. similar to the 50/1 Noctilux or 50/1.2 Nikkor with a 7/5 design. Also mentioned was the use of high index low dispersion glass to improve correction. As noted at the start of this thread, the block diagram is the LTM version of the Hexanon 50/1.2, not the M version.
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Old 08-15-2008   #16
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Great thread. As you mentioned very little info is on the web about the konica's f1.2s.
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Where is the best place to pick up these lenes. Most of the places that I normally check dont carry them
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Only place to find them is on the used market like Ebay or classifieds on sites like RFF, photo.net, etc. These lenses were made on a limited basis and Konica is now out of the camera business. One day, I might give up my sample if I really need to raise the funds.
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I've never seen an offered 1,2/60; the 1,2/50 seems to be more traded
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At f5.6, the M-Hexanon 60mm is sharp like most lenses, with a medium-high contrast:


This was from an M8? I never got anything this sharp from my M8.
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is the 60mm focal length easy to get along with?
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is the 60mm focal length easy to get along with?
Yes, as I use the 50mm framelines. The f1.2 I feel is easier to use and sharper though.
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I can't speak to the M8, but I have tried to use it on the R-D1. I think that one would have to use a magnifier to focus at 1.2. As far as LTM cameras, I'm testing it presently on various Japanese barnacks and a 3L as I suspect the P also has an inadequate baselength.
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Can any owners suggest with what LTM to M adapter the 60/1.2 will best focus on the M8.2?
Hi -- The main issue is quality machining on the adapter, with correct thickness. The ones sold by CameraQuest are very good.

You'll probably want to choose an adapter that brings up the 50/75mm framelines... just a matter of convenience as this has no effect on focus.
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Wow, those lenses, like all Konica lenses I've used are superb.
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I've also found that it's easy to front-focus the 60. I'm trying it out now with a megaperls on the hexar to see how much is me and how much is adapter....
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I should update this thread with the M9... .
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Finally, rounded up the usual suspects today and managed to fire off a few shots of the 60mm with the M9:







All shots at widest aperture....
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And a group shot....

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It's a fun lens and I dig the colors it presents. I only regret that most LTM cameras don't have a rf baselength to make me confident of focus at 1.2.
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Together with the 35 Lux, the 60mm Hex is the lens I use most on my M9. It fits perfectly the 50mm framelines at mid distances. Obviously, focusing must be very precise, but ones gets use to it and the short focus throw helps. Though it is 1.2, the 60mm result in a DOF that is about equal to the Nocti at F1.0. Here are a few shots taken with it :






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yanidel, what do you manually set the Hex 60mm as in terms of coding?
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While i'd like to try Hex 60/1.2 one day, I use Hex 50/1.2 now. Here are a few from it:






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Hacker, I love how you capture your children. Keep snapping away. They grow up fast.

Can someone remind me how much these lenses sell for these days? I'm considering the 50 lux asph.
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Hacker, mine is not coded and I don't use the manual lens selection option. I just like the look unaltered. When vignetting wide open bothers me, I correct it after the fact.

Wjlapier, th 60mm goes between €1600-€2000 on Ebay, basically the range of a used 50 Lux Asph. What you get extra with the Hex is the aberrations at F1.2 that make its great signature and a Depth of Field like the Nocti. Starting at F1.4, it is very sharp and modern. Probably very similar to the Lux.
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amazing pictures, i like your colors very much... i never shot digital, but this makes me want M9...

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Together with the 35 Lux, the 60mm Hex is the lens I use most on my M9. It fits perfectly the 50mm framelines at mid distances. Obviously, focusing must be very precise, but ones gets use to it and the short focus throw helps. Though it is 1.2, the 60mm result in a DOF that is about equal to the Nocti at F1.0. Here are a few shots taken with it :






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On the M8, I had a spare coded adapter set as the ASPH Lux (not that it needed much correction anyway). For the shots above, i set it as the Noct f/1.2. Cannot really tell much of a difference except in really low light. I assume the vignetting I saw under those conditions were due to the M8 (the few lenses that I have tested with the M9 had vignetting also).

Still struggling with using LR2 that came with the M9.

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Hacker, I see no discernable light fall-off / vignetting, particularly in this shot. Is your lens coded to the M9 or did you even out the corners in post?

Yanidel, I sense your style involves a deliberate increase in vignetting which works well for you.

Since August I have used the CV 35/1.2 and the Hex 60/1.2 together on a pair of M8.2's. This is my essential low light kit and has served me well on holiday this past week. I use the 1.25x VF magnifier with the 35/1.2 and the 1.4x version with the 60/1.2. Of late I have tried these lenses a few times with my M6's and I am also pleased with their performance on film.

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