And they say that film is dead =)

[chikne]

http://shutterbug.com/equipmentrevie...ome/index.html

[Al Patterson]

according to most posters over on www.dpreview.com.

On a related note, I found this NY Times article interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/bu...a/23steal.html

[jlw]

Originally Posted by From the article...

Landscape, stock, and editorial photographers relied on the 50 for its unique, expressive take on color, something digital photographers added using software like Alien Skin’s Exposure or by sliding the Saturation control to the right in post-processing. There was a warmth and rounded tonality to 50, somewhat akin to the sound tube amps and LPs brought to stereophiles, that digital photographers might try to emulate, but could never quite match.

This sounds like the film fanatic's version of all the metaphysical hype surrounding the fabled "Leica glow."

Yeah, Velveeta was/is a great film for fans of highly saturated comic-book color. But once the tranny has gone on the scanner, we're ALL digital photographers, and it doesn't matter how you get that "warmth and rounded tonality" (whatever the heck that is... how come nobody ever talks about "squared-off tonality"?)

There are still plenty of great reasons for shooting film rather than digital, personal preference being a perfectly valid one and the various technical advantages forming another. There's no need to resort to vaguely-defined rationalizations such as this.

[kshapero]

I left a roll of film on my dashboard during a hot Florida day. I think the film is dead.

[chikne]

Originally Posted by Al Patterson

according to most posters over on www.dpreview.com.

On a related note, I found this NY Times article interesting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/23/bu...a/23steal.html

"One of the most perplexing realities of a digital production like “Superman Returns” is that it sometimes generates more storable material than conventional film, creating new questions about what to save. Such pile-ups can occur, for instance, when a director or cinematographer who no longer has to husband film stock simply allows cameras to remain running for long stretches while working out scenes."

Sounds familiar?

[shadowfox]

Last week I have several days to do something unusual (for me), watching TV

I notice at least 3 commercials that featured vintage cameras, of course they all use it as a fashion prop. In one commercial, they use what looks like Kodak instamatic and later on they showed polaroid films hanging. It's hilarious

[lZr]

Akiva, please, send it to me. I have the resources for resurection of this film

[chris000]

Originally Posted by chikne

And they say that film is dead

Who exactly are 'they'?

All things change and all good things come to an end ..... but not yet I hope.

[rbsinto]

This "film is dead/ film is not dead" arguement has been going on for a while, and I for one find it tiresome. I shoot only slide film, and find it both easy to get and process, so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
My own belief is that this whole business was started by Digital people having doubts whether they made a good choice switching or not, and shouting about the "impending end" of film helps them rationalize their choices.
It is dead. It isn't dead. Who knows? First we'll see, and then we'll know.
In the meantime, just shoot with what you like, but please, just shut up about it and leave the other guys alone.

[gb hill]

I have family photos of my great grand parents taken in the early 1900s in a box that has been kept in a desk drawer for as long as I can remember. They havent faded in 48 of my years. Can digital do that I wonder?

[amateriat]

Originally Posted by kshapero

I left a roll of film on my dashboard during a hot Florida day. I think the film is dead.

The 20 or so rolls I have on the shelf are dancing a conga to Prince's "1999." They look reasonably alive to me.

And that Times article is a hoot. The pixel giveth, and the pixel taketh away.


- Barrett

[chikne]

Originally Posted by chris000

Who exactly are 'they'?

All things change and all good things come to an end ..... but not yet I hope.

Maybe the ones who say that film is dead =)

Originally Posted by rbsinto

This "film is dead/ film is not dead" arguement has been going on for a while, and I for one find it tiresome. I shoot only slide film, and find it both easy to get and process, so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.
My own belief is that this whole business was started by Digital people having doubts whether they made a good choice switching or not, and shouting about the "impending end" of film helps them rationalize their choices.
It is dead. It isn't dead. Who knows? First we'll see, and then we'll know.
In the meantime, just shoot with what you like, but please, just shut up about it and leave the other guys alone.

Hello sir,

you are indeed correct, who knows? But the fact of the matter is that Fuji introducing some old/new emulsions is actually the subject of the thread, though I noticed there were people (myself included) directing the topic towards a film VS digital, which is fine....

We do not know each other, and, for me to care about what you think, I would first need to care about you

My point is that if you are saying that I should shut up for being excited enough to start a thread on that matter, then I advise you to do the same and also not to frequent posts where it is apparent that this kind of subject might come up, unless of course you enjoy being in pain, a lot of people do.

Who knows?

[venchka]

Truth be known, Velvia 50 never disappeared. The new stocks and the old stocks overlapped a bit. Internet rumor has it that the film is the same.

[Kent]

"Film is not dead, it just smells funny!" (Flickr)

[rbsinto]

chikne,
I appreciate your obvious deep concern for my emotional well being, but please let me assure you that stale arguments on meaningless topics such as this one, neither sadden nor pain me, and since they keep you occupied and focused, I suppose they do perform a useful purpose.

[jlw]

Originally Posted by lZr

Akiva, please, send it to me. I have the resources for resurection of this film

I can just visualize you and Igor with the roll of Velvia strapped to the table, waiting for a thunderstorm... :P

[Pherdinand]

Originally Posted by amateriat

The 20 or so rolls I have on the shelf are dancing a conga to Prince's "1999." They look reasonably alive to me.
[...]
- Barrett

Just put on "gett off" and u r up to a miracle

[chikne]

Originally Posted by rbsinto

they keep you occupied and focused, I suppose they do perform a useful purpose.

Hehe, you're damn right and must have a very acute sense of observation!

At least, the entire rest of the world can witness how those topics do not keep you occupied

[Dogman]

It hurts my eyes. Fuji Velvia, I mean.

I really think this stuff was the forerunner of tasteless digital manipulation with its oversaturation and insipid skin tones.

[giovatony]

So Fuji intends to be the Last man standing do they?
That in itself don`t sound all that promising to me.
John

[sjw617]

Originally Posted by rbsinto

I shoot only slide film, and find it both easy to get and process, so I really don't understand what all the fuss is about.

I am finding my choice of film VERY limited at local shops - usually Velvia 100 in 35mm only. I do not have another choice of films and can not buy 120/220. And I live only 20 miles outside of NYC.

Originally Posted by gb hill

I have family photos of my great grand parents taken in the early 1900s in a box that has been kept in a desk drawer for as long as I can remember. They havent faded in 48 of my years. Can digital do that I wonder?

Why would digital pictures fade when placed in a box in a drawer?

Steve

[cmedin]

Originally Posted by sjw617

Why would digital pictures fade when placed in a box in a drawer?

Steve

I think he's hinting at the inability (currently) to stick a CD, DVD or HD in a drawer and expect to read it fifty years down the road. Digital does require more 'maintenance' to keep alive though it's not that much work if you think about it; keep a couple of backups and once every decade or so transfer over to a new storage medium whatever it happens to be at the time.

If he's talking about the actual PRINTS, it seems like inkjet prints might well have an edge over traditional at least in color as far as archivability goes.

[NickTrop]

Cameras: It's so nice to be cable free, battery independent (for the most part), shoot with a fast fixed lens and a nice compact camera with a few easy controls. My Konica Auto S3, for example, is "expensive". Cost me $100 bucks w/ CLA. Got a deal, admittedly. But that's 1/2-1/3 the price of an average digital P&S. They're fun to collect and play around with. Tons of interesting samples from the golden age.

Film: It's so nice to play around with different film stocks. I really enjoy developing my own negs. It's so nice not to chase megapixels, having a "high" megapixel camera that's "full frame" - that digital always trys to compare itself to.

It's nice knowing I already have the standard, ranther than chasing the standard.

Prints: Still get a charge waiting for my prints to "see how they looked". Nice to drop off a roll or two and for a reasonable fee, get them back in an hour. It's an art and a craft the darkroom is... also a lot of fun. Gotten away from it this year (doing some work in the basement) but looking forward to getting back to it.


Ahhh... film. Love it. Everything about it.

[cmedin]

Originally Posted by NickTrop

It's so nice not to chase megapixels, having a "high" megapixel camera that's "full frame" - that digital always trys to compare itself to.

It's nice knowing I already have the standard, ranther than chasing the standard.

I know it's all subjective, but not all digital users are 'chasing' megapixels or 'the standard'. Personally, I think that when digital SLRs hit ~6 mpix (I had a 300D, a 10D and now a GX-1S, all 6mpix cameras) that was all I'd ever need. It suffices for any print I want to make, the files are a reasonable size, and just about any DSLR has decent autofocus, metering and whatnot. What else do you need?

Granted, a LOT of digital users suffer from upgrade-itis, but honestly, how is it different from pining for the next great Leica lens? Gearheads are gearheads whether using analog or digital. Just look at this forum; how many people are always on the lookout for a new camera, lens, case, whatnot?

I love film too, but that doesn't mean I can't like digital as well.

[kevin m]

I love film too, but that doesn't mean I can't like digital as well.

I'm sorry, but you're attempting to interject common sense into a religious discussion, and that simply can't be allowed.