Stop my from buying a DSLR, please.

anandi · 11-14-2007

Yes a *******ization of that old "take my wife, please joke"

Recently got a *ist DS and you know what as my first DSLR I really like it. My problem is that the K10D has dropped in price significantly (and into my 'wife won't kill me' range). So I need talking out of it. Really.
Tell me the Shake reduction is a gimmick and that it's noisy high ISO and the 10 MP vs. 6 MP doesn't mean anything in the real world. If this forum can whip up GAS it should help those in need of support too.

peterm1 · 11-14-2007

Nope I cant help. Sorry! I have just done almost exactly the same thing but with a Panasonic L1. To paraphrase an old quotation "All time is wasted thats not spent messing about with cameras."

RF-Addict · 11-14-2007

Sorry, can't help you - all the features you mentioned REALLY do make a difference. Go and get that K10D for Xmas.

photogdave · 11-14-2007

Sorry, but it's a fantastic camera. If you twisted my arm and forced me into a DSLR it would probably be the K10D and two or three of those sweet Limited primes.
You really can't beat this stuff for the price. I don't know about back east but here in Van the K10D is just over $700 - very tempting! My local shop stocks and even rents most of the Limiteds and the new fast zooms too!
Tough luck buddy.

RayPA · 11-14-2007

I can't help either. I have a DSLR and I like it. I like my RFs, too. You can co-exist with both. You won't vaporize if you have both. If there's one you want, and it is in that "special" range. Go for it!

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nextreme · 11-14-2007

Dropped in price eh.....
BTW, in body anti shake technology works very well. I have a minolta 7d.

KEH · 11-14-2007

Here is a link to the dreadful image quality you get with the Canon 40D

:

http://www.pbase.com/kirkh/40d&page=all

I had an istDS2 and liked it a lot. The 10D has a lot more to offer. Sean Reid will be reviewing it some time soon, so you might want to check it out.

Cheers,
Kirk

anandi · 11-14-2007

Geez,
I guess I should stop going to the pub to ask for help with my drinking problem, too. Yeah $700 CDN is a pretty nice price for something close to a Nikon D200...

crawdiddy · 11-14-2007

Recently got a *ist DS and you know what as my first DSLR I really like it.

Hate to be dense, but what is a *ist DS ?

anandi · 11-14-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by KEH

Here is a link to the dreadful image quality you get with the Canon 40D

:

http://www.pbase.com/kirkh/40d&page=all

Cheers,
Kirk

Very nice, though methinks the photog has as much to do with it as the camera in this case. Pretty stunning IQ as well as composition there. If I got a 40D I wouldn't be able to get glass to do it justice. All those 'L' lenses would ruin me

anandi · 11-14-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by crawdiddy

Recently got a *ist DS and you know what as my first DSLR I really like it.

Hate to be dense, but what is a *ist DS ?

It's Pentax's 2nd DSLR. 6 MP body that's sort of an entry-level to mid-range camera. It's about 3-4 years old. Maybe in Canon FD terms it was sort of the Canon A-1 of it's time?

Steve Bellayr · 11-14-2007

That is $700 w/o the lens. You are buying it because the price came down? If you don't own a Leica M6 then I'd put my money towards that camera. Why do you need shake reduction if you shoot at 125. Don't need it at 60. Buy a soft release for $15 and go down to 30 or even 15.

tedwhite · 11-14-2007

I have used the hell out of my Pentax istDS and it still works flawlessly after 3K images. As a photographer trained with film, I refrain from snapping away, as many will do with a DSLR, which accounts for the low count after nearly three years of use.

Will I get the K10D? Probably, though many Pentax aficionados tell me that with more megapixels you get more noise at higher ISO settings.

Seems like the solution is to keep the istDS for use in low light settings and use the K10D for everything else. I think the price for the K10D now is under $600?

Plus you get RAW and in-body image stabilization with the K10D.

And hey, CRAWDIDY - as an owner of a *istDS I can say without equivocation that it's the stupidest name ever given to a very, very good camera.

Ted

JoeFriday · 11-14-2007

lately I've been seeing the K10D with kit lens at around $650.. and yes, the shake reduction makes a very big difference in some situations

I've been looking very hard at that same Pentax and keep talking myself into buying it (then talking myself out of buying it.. it's in and out, all night long sometimes)

Kim Coxon · 11-15-2007

No can do! The K10 is a quantum improvement over the DS. I have the D and wasn't sure about the K10. I now have 2 K10 bodies. It is worth keeping the DS though. It has the pentaprism and is more compatible with some of the older Pentax kit such as TTL flash. (The K10 will only do P-TTL)

Kim

Quote:

Originally Posted by anandi

Yes a *******ization of that old "take my wife, please joke"

Recently got a *ist DS and you know what as my first DSLR I really like it. My problem is that the K10D has dropped in price significantly (and into my 'wife won't kill me' range). So I need talking out of it. Really.
Tell me the Shake reduction is a gimmick and that it's noisy high ISO and the 10 MP vs. 6 MP doesn't mean anything in the real world. If this forum can whip up GAS it should help those in need of support too.

ampguy · 11-15-2007

I've been very tempted by the low price of these as well, and enjoyed my *ist DL a lot. I still have some nice K mount lenses, but am holding out to see how low the D40x and good glass for it goes.

photobizzz · 11-15-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Bellayr

That is $700 w/o the lens. You are buying it because the price came down? If you don't own a Leica M6 then I'd put my money towards that camera. Why do you need shake reduction if you shoot at 125. Don't need it at 60. Buy a soft release for $15 and go down to 30 or even 15.

Well I can give you one good reason I bought the K10D, I purchased a Pentax SMC 300/4 for $150, and I like to take wildlife photos with my SLR/DSLR and so I have a 450mm f4 image stabilized lens for $150. Not to mention the umpteen other functions like multiple image stacking (in camera) that cannot be performed on any rangefinder.

rover · 11-15-2007

The "entry level" DSLRs are finally coming down to a reasonable price range. I too have been tempted again. To fight the urge though I have started to consider getting the Canon 35/1.4 L lens. Nothing like a $1000 lens to sober you up. I was a little disappointed in the price of Pentax's new 2.8 standard zooms. The price is not that much less at all than the Canon offering which has the IS in the lens. Both the Canon and Pentax though are supposed to be excellent.

Solinar · 11-15-2007

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Originally Posted by rover

Nothing like a $1000 lens to sober you up.

Isn't that the beauty of the diminutive K10 - The IS / VR system is built into the sensor. Does Pentax offer some fast primes in the 30mm range? If not, Sigma may.

photobizzz · 11-15-2007

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Originally Posted by rover

I was a little disappointed in the price of Pentax's new 2.8 standard zooms. The price is not that much less at all than the Canon offering which has the IS in the lens. Both the Canon and Pentax though are supposed to be excellent.

I personally went with Tokina, I purchased a 20-35 2.8 ATX and 28-80 2.8 ATX for my zooms. I think I paid around $850 for both brand new.

rover · 11-15-2007

B&H prices, the Pentax is about $900 compared to the Canon at $1000. It is happening slowly, but we are getting to the point where there will be excellent bodies at give away prices just offered so the manufacturers will be able to sell lenses. Just like the old day of the film Rebel and Elan series. Fast primes are still the best way to go, but you still pay a good bit for anything fast wider than 50mm.

Kim Coxon · 11-15-2007

The 31mm F1.8 Ltd is one of the best lenses Pentax has made. For manual focussing there are several very good 28/s's.

Kim

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solinar

Isn't that the beauty of the diminutive K10 - The IS / VR system is built into the sensor. Does Pentax offer some fast primes in the 30mm range? If not, Sigma may.

djonesii · 11-15-2007

Sorry, there is no way to talk you out of a dSLR for birding, and sports ..... They are just too good at those applicaitons. For a carry around light camera that for me is really fun, try a RF! .... as the Brits say hourses for courses

( well the ryhme, damn u's )

Dave

Al Patterson · 11-15-2007

I'm still thinking of a K100 for web use. Sorry, but you should buy one, if you really want one.

Kim Coxon · 11-15-2007

The advantage of Pentax having the SR based in the body is that it works with all lenses including all the MF K lenses going back to the 70's and the M42 ones with an adapter. With the Canon system, you have to have an IS lens.

Kim

Quote:

Originally Posted by rover

The "entry level" DSLRs are finally coming down to a reasonable price range. I too have been tempted again. To fight the urge though I have started to consider getting the Canon 35/1.4 L lens. Nothing like a $1000 lens to sober you up. I was a little disappointed in the price of Pentax's new 2.8 standard zooms. The price is not that much less at all than the Canon offering which has the IS in the lens. Both the Canon and Pentax though are supposed to be excellent.