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11-07-2007
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M8 new firmware 1.110 out
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Done. What are the improvements BTW? New Summarit lenses detection, what else?
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Done. What are the improvements BTW? New Summarit lenses detection, what else?
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Whoa..
Now.. I don't own an M8 but wouldn't it be prudent to verify what exactly this firmware does before installing it into the camera?
Not that the camera doesn't need or want a firmware upgrade but I have heard of firmware "upgrades" make cameras head south in the past.
Just saying,
Dave
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11-07-2007
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"6 Bit lens codes for Summarit-M lenses 35, 50, 75 and 90 mm
Time shortened between pre-flash and main flash in M-TTL mode with flashes LEICA SF24 D and SCA compatible flashguns
function of the central setting wheel on the camera back improved (unintentional scrolling of the menu now prevented)
battery capacity display improved
Change in the French menu: «Marche +UV/IR» instead «Marche avec»"
No mention of promised improved AWB! Wah!
No more "menu mambo" at least...
Some say there's a big improvement in noise levels at ISO 640 and above - off to try it out now...
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i can still get "mad scroll", at least twice now since update.
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Strange - mine seems fine now and it did it a lot before.
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hi guys
i have a question about the upgrade situation?
HOW SAFE IS IT?
i ve heard before that someone try to upgrade the camera and it died for a short period of time and then it was workinf fine agaian.
my problem is does it worth it taking that risk?
i took a loan to by my camera and i am petrified in the idea that it will die .
i am still paying installments in the bank............
thanks again
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11-07-2007
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1.The pre'flash to flash time is markedly reduced. That's good!
2.I seem to be able to get a quicker review of the image I just shot. Actually before the buffer empties i get to see the image on the LCD. Before, I always had to WAIT a long time, until the red light quit blinking.
3.And the ISO 640 images look very very good and almost no noise.
4.AWB, is too early to tell, but first several shots in mixed lighting (flourescent/daylight) look great.
5. I think the shutter sounds the same to me. Oh well......
I actually had a fellow photogrpaher compliment me on the shutter sound! He thought it sounded "rich". Ha!
Steve
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11-07-2007
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Owning a Leica has made me both patient and appreciative of waiting for solutions to problems; however I must confess I am bitterly disappointed not to see the AWB issue addressed in this update. I'm starting to wonder if any potential fix will require an h/w upgrade or will possibly be left until the next revision of the camera. Either way, Leica: please release a statement to keep us informed of the situation!
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11-07-2007
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Whoops. my bad.
This thread didn't come up on my search. With all this Forum Musical Chairs Hyperproliferation Bartending going on... 
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11-07-2007
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Originally Posted by boilerdoc2
1.The pre'flash to flash time is markedly reduced. That's good!
2.I seem to be able to get a quicker review of the image I just shot. Actually before the buffer empties i get to see the image on the LCD. Before, I always had to WAIT a long time, until the red light quit blinking.
3.And the ISO 640 images look very very good and almost no noise.
4.AWB, is too early to tell, but first several shots in mixed lighting (flourescent/daylight) look great.
5. I think the shutter sounds the same to me. Oh well......
I actually had a fellow photogrpaher compliment me on the shutter sound! He thought it sounded "rich". Ha!
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Funny the release notes don't show these improvements?
Its not like a company to spend time working on improvements to hide their light under the bushel!
and as a really stupid question .. why does the upgrade go from 1.107 to 1.110 .. |
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There was probably a 1.108 and 1.109 during development that was kept internal and not released due to bugs or what not. It happens a lot in the computer software world.
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Wake me when we hit 2.0
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HOW SAFE IS IT?
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VERY SAFE - AS SAFE AS YOU (i.e. one) CAN BE.
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3.And the ISO 640 images look very very good and almost no noise.
4.AWB, is too early to tell, but first several shots in mixed lighting (flourescent/daylight) look great.
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Sounds like you had skipped one or two previous firmware upgrades. (??)
I've never seen noise on an ISO 640 shot, except in chronically underexposed shadows. Which is the same kind of behaviour I see on my Canon 5D.
The major improvement in AWB was a few versions back, including better color handling when not using UV/IR filters (and setting Lens Detection to "off")
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Not that the camera doesn't need or want a firmware upgrade but I have heard of firmware "upgrades" make cameras head south in the past.
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I always have a fresh battery, don't touch the camera while updating, and use a reliable SD card.
Mine heads towards the Tropic of Cancer via the Gulf Stream, then takes a left turn on Albuquerque  Wait, or is it right toin?
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I always have a fresh battery, don't touch the camera while updating, and use a reliable SD card.
Mine heads towards the Tropic of Cancer via the Gulf Stream, then takes a left turn on Albuquerque Wait, or is it right toin? |
I did not bother. Used a brand new 4GB Transcend card and battery was whatever was left in the camera. Very disappointed that SDHC cannot be upgraded as it may be more HW than SW.
Guys, stock up on your 4GB SD cards. |
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Whoa..
Now.. I don't own an M8 but wouldn't it be prudent to verify what exactly this firmware does before installing it into the camera?
Not that the camera doesn't need or want a firmware upgrade but I have heard of firmware "upgrades" make cameras head south in the past.
Just saying,
Dave
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Damn, Your'e right! My M8 just got on the I-380 South on ramp and kept going... Sure hope it comes back soon.
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Damn, Your'e right! My M8 just got on the I-380 South on ramp and kept going... Sure hope it comes back soon.
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I'm just saying that this has happened in the past to other manufacturers and it's not beyond (based on all the "features" that are present on the M8) Leica's capability to make a bit of a mistake which would require Firmware 1.111 or 1.12 to fix.
Dave
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11-08-2007
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People have been struck by lightning. Trees have fallen on people. Planes have crashed...
Maybe we should just all stay inside and be afraid.
It's a nice gesture to warn people to be cautious, but your advice conveys something similar to the above analogy. What do you want people to do if they heed your advice? Not upgrade?
You suggest finding out what the update does before upgrading. Well, updates fix things and companies make every effort not to break things while doing so. I seriously doubt that you will ever see, x. Renders the camera completely dead, as one of the items listed for an update, so the only option is to bite the bullet and hope for the best.
Also, the only way for M8 users to get any idea of whether an update is fine or not is for lots of people to update so that we have a decent amount of sample data. The user base is small enough as is so the more people that update, the better it is for users and Leica.
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People have been struck by lightning. Trees have fallen on people. Planes have crashed...
Also, the only way for M8 users to get any idea of whether an update is fine or not is for lots of people to update so that we have a decent amount of sample data. The user base is small enough as is so the more people that update, the better it is for users and Leica.
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I take your point, but DC Sang also makes a good point. Leica do not fully state exactly what they have altered and what the effects are. For example, improving one aspect may make something else slower or actually sacrifice another function.
My own thoughts are that the best skin tones came from the first update. (At least in relation to my software / printer / personnal tastes).This was done before the version that corrected for IR filters. Once a new download appears, leica remove the previous version. I actually have saved previous versions for the last 2 just in case what the new one does makes things worse. That way i could go back if i wanted to .
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"I actually have saved previous versions for the last 2 just in case what the new one does makes things worse. That way i could go back if i wanted to ."
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Red eye reduction excellent |
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11-09-2007
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Red eye reduction excellent
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Here is an example of the new firmware's reduction of red eye with the M8 and Leica SF24D flash, done via shortened flash to shutter time. M8, crummy Peleng 8mm fish eye lens, self-portrait taken at arms length. No red eye in a picture where it should be, as can be seen in the 100% center crop of my eyes prone to red eye. Amazing.
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Red eye was not a problem with the SF24d at close range with the old software. At close range the the flash bulb is high enough above the eyes not to elicit the red reflex. You need to be about 10 feet away to get red eye. Its nothing to do with flash to shutter time. Any flash pointing directly at the pupil will do this! Light reflected back from the retina travels faster than any shutter!
I reckon you just got lucky.
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Red eye was not a problem with the SF24d at close range with the old software. At close range the the flash bulb is high enough above the eyes not to elicit the red reflex. You need to be about 10 feet away to get red eye. Its nothing to do with flash to shutter time. Any flash pointing directly at the pupil will do this! Light reflected back from the retina travels faster than any shutter!
I reckon you just got lucky.
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Nope, I disagree and have examples. The delay in the interval between the flash and the shutter allowed the pupillary response to open again. While the flash tube is as high as it can get for the littel flash, I did get red eye on occasion at this distance. I did however get it more frequent at farther distances. I get it not at all now.
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