Overlapping frames on Ikonta

stuken · 10-31-2007

I have a Zeiss Ikon Super Ikonta 532/16( or something like that, its currently in a different province, and I don't remember exactly). Its all works perfectly, rangefinder is great, nice sharp tessar lens, shutter and aperature all great. The only thing wrong with it is that it doesn't seem to want to wind all the way past the last frame. So I end up with a whole bunch of shots over lapping eachother. Has anybody else had this problem? Any quick easy fix? Also, on the inside of the camera it says 6x9, and it is definitely a 6x6, Was zeiss drunk when they stamped the back of the camera out?

Joerg · 10-31-2007

Hi,

seems to be a common problem.
please see the info from henry scherer's website

http://www.zeisscamera.com/articles_spacing.shtml

Ciao

joerg

stuken · 10-31-2007

Thanks alot! I unfortunatly do not get to see this camera again until december, but hopefully this will resolve all issues. What a gorgeous camera, I can't wait to shoot with it again.

literiter · 11-01-2007

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Originally Posted by stuken

What a gorgeous camera, I can't wait to shoot with it again.

Winding problems usually are easily rectified by a simple cleaning and lubrication of the winding mechanism. I have no spacing problems, using standard off the shelf 120 film. The winding mechanisms on my Ikonta 532/16 cameras were cleaned of the old hardened grease then relubricated.

Two of my 532/16 cameras say "6x9" inside the back cover. There are a few explanations on the net for this. A lot of these cameras have this.

These really are gorgeous cameras. Often they are relegated to display shelves but they are completely useable. When mounted on a tripod they produce incredible results.

I hope you are reunited with your camera soon.

Joerg · 11-01-2007

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Originally Posted by literiter

Winding problems usually are easily rectified by a simple cleaning and lubrication of the winding mechanism. I have no spacing problems, using standard off the shelf 120 film. The winding mechanisms on my Ikonta 532/16 cameras were cleaned of the old hardened grease then relubricated.

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hi unfortunately it does not help all the time. i have one fully CLA'ed with the frame issue.

Joerg

furcafe · 11-01-2007

FWIW, my understanding is that the problem that Mr. Scherer describes is really limited to the later 534/16 (Super Ikonta IV) & similar models, which are very different mechanically from the 532/16 (Super Ikonta B), which has the same mechanism as the pre-WWII Super Ikonta B/BX. For the earlier models, frame overlapping requires a CLA or repair.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Joerg

Hi,

seems to be a common problem.
please see the info from henry scherer's website

http://www.zeisscamera.com/articles_spacing.shtml

Ciao

joerg

Joerg · 11-01-2007

thanks for the clarification!
damn I have IV.....

Ciao

joerg

Solinar · 11-01-2007

Joerg, when I had my SI IV - I generally loaded the film, so that the arrow on the backing paper was about a 1/2 frame forward of the mark on the film gate. The last few frames were closely spaced - but they didn't overlap.

Joerg · 11-01-2007

Andrew,

that is what I am getting more or less along with.

Ciao

Joerg

P C Headland · 11-02-2007

I can end up with very tight frame spacing at the start with my SI III if I'm not careful. The problem only seems to manifest itself with Fuji film, and not with TriX, APX or Efke.

Basically you need a bit more diameter on the take up spool. Either add a couple of turns or so of backing paper, or wind on past the start mark before closing the back.

furcafe · 11-02-2007

I've had similar experiences, film brand-wise, i.e., for whatever reason, Kodak & Ilford films (or their paper backings) seem to be thick enough to approximate the old 1950s-60s products & not cause the overlap problem. However, my experience w/Efke has been different as I found that their stuff (R100 IIRC) does overlap, like the Fomapan & Fuji films.

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Originally Posted by P C Headland

I can end up with very tight frame spacing at the start with my SI III if I'm not careful. The problem only seems to manifest itself with Fuji film, and not with TriX, APX or Efke.

Basically you need a bit more diameter on the take up spool. Either add a couple of turns or so of backing paper, or wind on past the start mark before closing the back.