why all the this vs that postings?

back alley · 03-17-2005

not a critictism but a curiosity...lately there are a number of threads that, when condensed, seem to be about 'my camera vs yours'.

what's that all about?

joe

Brian Sweeney · 03-17-2005

I guess I have not noticed. Usually I read the thread and can say "I have one of those!"

Or "I don't have one of those! I want one!" Kinda like a CANON P!

Honu-Hugger · 03-17-2005

We've probably covered all of the legitimate topics and now are just bored

rover · 03-17-2005

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Originally Posted by Brian Sweeney

Usually I read the thread and can say "I have one of those!"

LOL, our every man!!!

Hey, my slippers are more comfortable than yours.

Honu-Hugger · 03-17-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by rover

LOL, our every man!!!

Hey, my slippers are more comfortable than yours.

Are we planning on fighting about Hasselblad vs SL66? We can always table it for a dull moment later

JohnM · 03-17-2005

I really hadn't noticed at all, but anyone who thinks their slippers are even in the same orbit as mine is in for a serious verbal butt kicking. And I am wearing just the moose-skin Lands End slippers to do it.

You are all warned.

rover · 03-17-2005

No more fighting, they both make square pictures and hide behind Zeiss lenses, so they both must be good.

rover · 03-17-2005

Now these are slippers

http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/te...ainCatcat20564

RML · 03-17-2005

Pah, slippers and moccassins! What'll be next... flip-flops?!
I'll stick with the sandals I bought in India last year... roomy, soft, and keep my toes cool in summer. I'd post a shot of them if I hadn't been at work! :P

nwcanonman · 03-17-2005

"Hey, my slippers are more comfortable than yours"
........................................
Hell, my sheepskin Acorns are worn by the astronaunts. It just don't get any better. Especially with a glass of Irish whiskey to start the "warming" process

JohnM · 03-17-2005

Don't bring sandals to a slipper fight, son. Ya just might get hurt!

Look for Jorge's new site, SlipperWearerForum.com, to go live by the end of the month.

nwcanonman · 03-17-2005

Now this is some serious relaxation.

Brian Sweeney · 03-18-2005

I wear socks at home.

They just don't make the ultimate in slippers big enough.

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/phot...cat/500/page/3

http://shop.store.yahoo.com/fashiondrv/helkitslip.html

Gordon Coale · 03-18-2005

I don't have slippers. I feel so inadequate. I feel a SAS (Slipper Acquisition Syndrome) attack coming on.

Oldprof · 03-18-2005

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Originally Posted by backalley photo

not a critictism but a curiosity...lately there are a number of threads that, when condensed, seem to be about 'my camera vs yours'.

what's that all about?

joe

This is nothing new. Many photographers are equipment geeks and I think quite a few would rather discuss the merits of this or that camera or lens rather than take pictures. An extreme example of this is the Leica Photography Forum on photo.net which is largely devoted to debates about equipment, which lens or body is better, etc. I think the fascination with gear is largely a male predilection. You see similar behavior when car nuts talk about their favorite automobiles, or audiophiles discuss speakers. Golfers are another example ... they love to talk about the merits of different clubs and golf balls.

Natron · 03-18-2005

What do you guys think? This post vs other "vs" posts. Which is better?

haha

Nikon Bob · 03-18-2005

Oldprof

You are right it is a gearhead thing and women seem largely unaffected by it. They just use whatever gets the job done and who cares what the label says. Bless them, it lets the males carry on with what is really important.

Bob

Honu-Hugger · 03-18-2005

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Originally Posted by Oldprof

This is nothing new. Many photographers are equipment geeks and I think quite a few would rather discuss the merits of this or that camera or lens rather than take pictures. An extreme example of this is the Leica Photography Forum on photo.net which is largely devoted to debates about equipment, which lens or body is better, etc. I think the fascination with gear is largely a male predeliction. You see similar behavior when car nuts talk about their favorite automobiles, or audiophiles discuss speakers. Golfers are another example ... they love to talk about the merits of different clubs and golf balls.

LOL I think you've dialed it. A friend is a hay farmer. I met him one morning at the cafe and apologized for interrupting his conversation. He said no problem; they were engaged in the same argument they've been having every morning for the last twenty years: rifle calibers and motor oil.

Jarvis · 03-18-2005

How many forum posters does it take to change a lightbulb?

1 to change the light bulb and to post that the light bulb has been changed

14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently
7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs

7 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs

5 to flame the spell checkers

3 to correct spelling/grammar flames

6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" ... another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive
2 industry professionals to inform the group that the proper term is "lamp"

15 know-it-alls who claim they were in the industry, and that "light bulb" is perfectly correct

19 to post that this forum is not about light bulbs and to please take this discussion to a lightbulb forum

11 to defend the posting to this forum saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts are relevant to this forum

36 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty
7 to post URL's where one can see examples of different light bulbs

4 to post that the URL's were posted incorrectly and then post the corrected URL's

3 to post about links they found from the URL's that are relevant to this group which makes light bulbs relevant to this group

13 to link all posts to date, quote them in their entirety including all headers and signatures, and add "Me too"

5 to post to the group that they will no longer post because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
4 to say "didn't we go through this already a short time ago?"

13 to say "do a Google search on light bulbs before posting questions about light bulbs"

1 forum lurker to respond to the original post 6 months from now and start it all over again.

Its what it is .. a Forum ...

nwcanonman · 03-18-2005

Jarvis,
Very well stated ~ ; - )
_______________
There are 3 ways of doing things..... right-way, wrong-way and your bosses way .....

Bertram2 · 03-18-2005

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oldprof

This is nothing new. . An extreme example of this is the Leica Photography Forum on photo.net which is largely devoted to debates about equipment, which lens or body is better, etc. I think the fascination with gear is largely a male predilection. You see similar behavior when car nuts talk about their favorite automobiles, or audiophiles discuss speakers. Golfers are another example ... they love to talk about the merits of different clubs and golf balls.

Hi Oldprof
very wisely spoken ! And if there is a product which costs 3 to 5 times more than comparable products this is pure dynamite for a discussion which is always a bit
childish anyway and in principle totally OT. (Do painters talk about their brushes all the time ?) The question of prestige then is in the foreground and it gets all hopeless. The Leica owners are suspcted be boasters, the others are suspected to be envy or poor or both and so on

Even on the CVUG list, which is VERY different at this point from all other lists and forums lately somebody answered a newbie's request for a recommendation this way:
"Take a 35mm cron , if you are poor take a CV Skopar". Imagine this choice of words !! If you are poor !!! Caught pants down as we say.
What makes all that really funny for me is the fact that I have not seen a decent photography ever done by this kind of folks, who are often infected by the collecting virus too.
Their photos look always as if they were shot just as a proof of their ownership, for nothing more, no further meaning.Grotesque bad P&S stuff, so poor that you cannot believe that someone dares to post such a nonsense in a gallery.
Up til today I could not find such folks her at RFF, seems this is a mined garden for them. Too much knowledge and skill?

kai · 03-18-2005

Imagine if the internet forums existed in 1955:

"Leica or Voigtlander?"
"Will the new Zeiss Ikon be as good as Leica?"
"Can Leica survive competition from Japan?"

Hmmm... come to think of it, 50 years later, all those topics are still valid discussion points!

Pherdinand · 03-19-2005

My slippers stink more than your slippers.
(Not to talk about my Zeiss folder, now THAT really stinks!)

supermarcel23 · 03-19-2005

Well, I have to say I like photography, and I like taking pictures before talking about my gear, but I like to speak of the gear because I am my own camera repairman, and I like sharing experiences.

But, as I post in a previous forum in RFF :"cameras are here to take pictures. Whatever it is written on. All other considerations, like showing them, collecting, being proud of them, take us away from their original purpose.
If the speeds are relatively accurate, and also the focusing is working, the aperture ring is moving, then you got a machine that will produce images with the help of your mind."

It's true some lenses are better than others, but you can make a great image with a plastic toy camera as you can make one nice too with a Leica M7.

That's true that I like comparing for example two samples of the same lens, but for that I must go out and use my cameras !

I'm a user and I try hard not to collect too much, and sometimes it is hard not to buy all the cameras I have under my eyes. But I try to have a collection that is alive ! And that gives images !

I left photo.net for a long time now, tired of this kind of photo snobism, and I met here the nice feel of people living a passion, and that's a very nice thing !

jdos2 · 03-19-2005

Stinky slippers, indeed.

For the original point, though- I don't see any of the nastiness portion of the "this vs. that" argument here. I see contrast, and that's valuable for me.

Many folks here have never used a Mamiya 7, but I could contrast it to cameras they well might have used, and express the results in several terms that others might understand, and again, that's valuable stuff.

Voigtlander Prominent vs. Leica MP? Thinking of buying one or the other, and have looked through either? One is a bright line finder of decent brilliance, the other isn't. One has a razor spot, the other doesn't. One is known for decementing, the other isn't...

If I want True Silliness in the "vs" arguments, there are plenty of other forums online for that. This has always seemed to be a gentlemanly place, and I'm grateful for that.

Unless I missed the point of the original poster, and for that, well, it's coffee vs. sleepiness, I guess...