Anyone getting by without a lightmeter?

pvdhaar · 05-23-2007

Couple of weeks ago, I dug out the film rangefinders from the attic, after having shot digital exclusively for 6 months or so. In the mean time I sold my light meter along with the 6x6 system.

But wouldn't you know.. of course one of the RFs doesn't sport a meter (leica m4 by the way). Shouldn't be a problem of course, as every film comes in a cardboard box with a little exposure guide inside. Well, that's how it used to be. Not anymore.

I looked around on the web, but all the exposure guides I could find are textually prolific, which isn't my ideal when I'm out there concentrating on shooting. Well, I spent some quality time making those little pictorgrams myself for 1/ISO shutter speed.

So for anyone else looking for something similar, I'll attach my creative efforts..

marcust101 · 05-23-2007

This is great, mind if I print a copy?

pvdhaar · 05-23-2007

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Originally Posted by marcust101

This is great, mind if I print a copy?

Please feel free to do that!

That's what I posted it for anyway.

Ash · 05-23-2007

You left an M4 in the ATTIC?!?!?!?!

paragon · 05-23-2007

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Originally Posted by Ash

You left an M4 in the ATTIC?!?!?!?!

He's Dutch - their attics are cosy places

pvdhaar · 05-23-2007

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Originally Posted by Ash

You left an M4 in the ATTIC?!?!?!?!

I hardly even dare to tell you how I left it there.. (in a cardboard box between old power sockets and extension cords). Well, we all learn, don't we?

VinceC · 05-23-2007

Good job. After not having a meter for years, I bought one last year. Then I left it in a pocket when I did my laundry. So am again without a meter. Once you get the hang of it, working meterless isn't really that difficult. Most photos before 1950 were taken without a meter.

thorirv · 05-23-2007

finally i have a camera with a meter in it. and what a bunch of crap it tries to feed me. best not to look at it. and one has to appreciate the exp latitute of c41...

pvdhaar · 05-23-2007

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Originally Posted by memphis

what's a meter?

It's that thing stuck onto that chrome camera in your avatar picture..

paragon · 05-23-2007

Meters - they can get tedious, but I quite like my Lunasix 3 which is almost as big as most modern P&S Digitals

I always say the small digital P&S Cameras make great light meters - at least you can preview your shot before you take it with a "proper" camera

rxmd · 05-23-2007

I'm teaching myself to get along without one. I've shot a roll for the Pass the RF 3 round here in Tashkent on a meterless FED-2, and it's working out nicely so far.

rpsawin · 05-23-2007

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Originally Posted by rxmd

I'm teaching myself to get along without one. I've shot a roll for the Pass the RF 3 round here in Tashkent on a meterless FED-2, and it's working out nicely so far.

I think you are on the right track. From time to time I stop using my meter and go strictly by experience for determining exposure. After awhile I do check the meter to gauge my estimates. I'm usually no more than a stop off unless the lighting is tricky/high contrast. As I shoot mostly b&w,and tend to overexpose, this falls well within the dynamic range of modern b&w films.

Besides, there is nothing like shooting with a rf using 100% of your experience and senses to capture an image.

Best regards,

Bob

shadowfox · 05-23-2007

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Originally Posted by rpsawin

I think you are on the right track. From time to time I stop using my meter and go strictly by experience for determining exposure. After awhile I do check the meter to gauge my estimates. I'm usually no more than a stop off unless the lighting is tricky/high contrast. As I shoot mostly b&w,and tend to overexpose, this falls well within the dynamic range of modern b&w films.

Besides, there is nothing like shooting with a rf using 100% of your experience and senses to capture an image.

Best regards,

Bob

Couldn't agree more!!

Shooting meterless is one of the highlights in my whole photography experience so far. It's completely unintuitive that using your brain to approximate the amount of light entering a camera can be so satisfying.

This is one of my recent meterless shots, as far as tricky lighting goes, I have to compensate a bit to capture the details in the shady areas without blowing off the highlights on the leaves too much: 1/250 f8 on ASA 100 film (my baseline is the Sunny-16 Rule)

Joe Brugger · 05-23-2007

Way back before meters, I was taught to evaluate light using shadow densities and squint factors; even with a meterless camera, a small incident meter usually goes along to check the estimates.

arbib · 05-23-2007

I can do both. I have a meter-less RF, But I have a Small shoe mount Vivitar CDS meter I use or not. (typically, I may it if my subject is back-lit or there is weird lighting, I will walk up and take reading)

But Film has a nice leeway of +/- 1.5EV, Using the sunny 16 works just fine. And with my RF, I typically use the Hyper-focus marks on the lens anyway.

(well, my RF is off a little, When I had a collapsible lens on it..I did not know the routine when and when not to collapse it. So, it knocked the INF &/or Close focus out.

).

Oh well, the RF is just a guide anyway. If it gets OOW (Out Of Whack), the lens is not effected. But I digress

With my Zorki 1, I like the whole experience most of the time too....all brain to determine exposure, composition, and focus.

PS: thanks for the Grapic Guide

landsknechte · 05-27-2007

If I'm going to be shooting in a circumstance that doesn't really lend itself to metering, I'll do some preliminary metering of the general area, and then guesstimate from there once I actually start. Generally speaking though, I don't go meterless unless the camera is so hopelessy primitive that you couldn't do anything with the meter readings anyhow.

ash13brook · 05-27-2007

Here's the meter I've been using for a couple of years, now.

http://www.fredparker.com/ultexp1.htm

dmr · 05-27-2007

Lately I've been giving a good try with a TLR which I've had for a couple years and not really used. It doesn't have a meter. and I've found that I can indeed get normal looking negatives using only this carbon-based natural lightmeter (actually I have 2 of them) that I've had for some time. In other words I've looked and guessed.

Here's the thread with some of the first shots:

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=40934

My issues with this camera are not exposure related. My current avatar was gonna be a self-portrait with the TLR, but I forgot to wind and double-exposed one of the park scenes on it. Just thinking 120 instead of thinking 35 is my challenge.

Rodinal Addict · 05-27-2007

My Photo teacher in high school trained us to use the "Mark I eyeball meter". Mrs.Wismer gave us Nikon S (yea, really!) rangefinder cameras, Tri-X film and these instructions:

" shoot f16 at 1/125th for outdoors, f2.8 at 1/60th for indoors. Film's cheap so bracket like heck"

Most of the photos in the yearbook were shot this way. I still can pretty accurately meter most any scene well enough to make a useable image. I have, however, recently picked up aGossen Luna-Pro for really contrasty situations.

sienarot · 05-27-2007

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Originally Posted by memphis

what's a meter?

About 3.28 feet.