Colorskopar 28mm Vs Ultron 28mm

[Fabri970]

Hi,

i want to buy a 28mm for my R2 ( and soon my R4A), i'm undecided if buy the Ultron or the color Skopar.

For the Ultron there's the largest aperture and the fastest 28mm on the market.

The color skopar is more little and more slow , only 3.5, i prefer the size of the Skopar but only 3.5 is that the stop me from purchase.....

I've seen a lot of shots and the quality of color skopar has impress me , i'll thought that the Ultron was better but i'm not really sure......

Please give me your opinions.

[back alley]

i've seen some very nice shots from the slower 28 but the ones that knock my socks off are usually from the 1.9

[nightfly]

If you don't mind the size get the faster one.

For me the faster one is just over the line for too big although I'd like a fast 28.

The slower lens, which I currently own, is really small and well built. Short focus throw and very easy aperture adjustment make it a great street lens. It's slightly more contrasty than I might like for black and white, but otherwise, no complaints. It really pops with color slide film.

[summilux]

the 28/3.5 is discontinued, just announced by cosina.

[dostacos]

I have the 28 and I use it alot when I might be needing the extra stops, otherwise i will use the 35MM classic or go wider and use the 21, I am looking forward to the new coupled 25.....

[BrianPhotog]

The 28 Ultron is my favorite lens and sits on my R2a most of the time. It's not really the extra speed but the way it renders images (tones). The only "downside" is the size and the hood that no lenscap will stay on (although it looks cool).

I have a more in-depth review about it at: http://www.cosina-voigtlander.com/content/view/33/28/

[Ken Ford]

I've owned both - I had the 28/3.5 for several months, but found it too slow for what I was trying to do (night shooting). I sold it and bought a 28/1.9 and have been very happy with it.

I had no issues with the Skopar beyond the speed - the build and image quality were both exemplary. However, the Ultron has something more - I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's an amazing lens. It really isn't very large at all IMO.

[Ken Ford]

I've owned both - I had the 28/3.5 for several months, but found it too slow for what I was trying to do (night shooting). I sold it tp buy a 28/1.9 and have been very happy with my decision.

I had no issues with the Skopar beyond speed - the build and image quality were both exemplary. However, the Ultron has all that and something more - I can't quite put my finger on it, but it's an amazing lens. It really isn't very large at all IMO.

[Fabri970]

Thank's to all for the replies...

I'll use the 28mm when the 21mm is to wide and the 35mm not much , i shot only Black & white and the most part of my shots 're made in street where there'is not light , like narrow street in the old town of Genoa, and here the f1.9 it's very convenient, the only thing that let me confused is the size....

I've already the Nokton , is the Ultron bigger than the Nokton?

[BrianPhotog]

Originally Posted by Fabri970

I've already the Nokton , is the Ultron bigger than the Nokton?

No, it's not.

[oscroft]

the 28/3.5 is discontinued, just announced by cosina

Oh dear, where did you hear that?

[Fabri970]

My fear is that with R4A the Ultron takes up a lot of the viewfinder and this concern me.....

Someone have already try the couple?

[BrianPhotog]

Originally Posted by Fabri970

My fear is that with R4A the Ultron takes up a lot of the viewfinder and this concern me.....

Someone have already try the couple?

Yeah, I have the same fear...especially since the 28 Ultron is my favorite lens. I wrote my thoughts down in an article (Re)Considering the R4.

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by Fabri970

I've already the Nokton , is the Ultron bigger than the Nokton?

Which Nokton?

The 28 Ultron is longer than the 50 Nokton, but the Nokton is slightly wider. The 35 Nokton is much bigger than either of them.

The Zeiss ZM 28/2.8 Biogon offeres a compromise. Much smaller than the CV 28 Ultron (which is basically an f/2 lens), but not as slow as the CV Skopar. It is of course in a different price range than these.

[BrianPhotog]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

Which Nokton?

The 28 Ultron is longer than the 50 Nokton, but the Nokton is slightly wider. The 35 Nokton is much bigger than either of them.

The Zeiss ZM 28/2.8 Biogon offeres a compromise. Much smaller than the CV 28 Ultron (which is basically an f/2 lens), but not as slow as the CV Skopar. It is of course in a different price range than these.

The 28 is only slightly longer then the 50 (exaggerated by the hood), but the difference in diameter is more noticeable.

[rpsawin]

If you find the Ultron too big (and it is a beast, but a real beauty as well) you might consider the Konica 28/2.8. It's a very well built, compact lens that performs very, very well. And the additional stop makes it very useful.

Bob

[RayPA]

I've got both, and like both a lot. The build quality is great. Because I prefer shooting on the street, the one that ends up on my camera(s) more often is the slower 28/3.5. The size is incredible, combined with a CLE or even an Leica body it is very light and pretty much pocketable. It doesn't seem as contrasty as the 35/2.5, either (my other "street" lens).

The 1.9 is really a beautiful lens, too. I like the 28 FL, so it was easy for me to justify both lenses based on the speed difference. I've several 28/3.5 shots in my Flickr gallery. Here's one:



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[rover]

Originally Posted by Fabri970

My fear is that with R4A the Ultron takes up a lot of the viewfinder and this concern me.....

Someone have already try the couple?

I screwed my 28 Ultron on the R4a again this morning.

The lower right quarter of the 28mm area in the finder is effected by the Ultron. I estimate that with the standard hood on 2/3 of this quarter is blocked, without the hood 1/2 is blocked.

[ferider]

Like Ray, I have both, they are both very good. Beside speed, there is a significant difference
in color rendering, the 28/3.5 has more punch when compared to the 1.9. 28/3.5 + CLE is a great combo !

A 3.5 shot:



A 1.9 shot:



If you replace the 1.9 hood with a simple filter ring, it is quite compact.

Here are flickr collections for the two lenses:

http://www.flickr.com/groups/8673143...f1.9Aspherical
http://www.flickr.com/groups/8673143...Skopar28mmf3.5

Best,

Roland.

[RayPA]

Wow, Roland. Beautiful samples/examples!

Good point on the color saturation. I'm finding that, and maybe this is the world's biggest forehead-smacking-duh!, the Color Skopars are great for color photography. I think I prefer shooting color with my 35/2.5.


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[vrgard]

Ray & Roland, once again you guys have humbled me. Ray, your street shot with the framing of the woman in the truck is a great shot. And Roland, that reflective sunset shot is simply amazing. I need to hang around you guys more and hope that some of your magic rubs off on me! And now I've gotta get one of those CV 28/3.5 lenses for my CL (anybody out there listening?).

-Randy

[ferider]

Thanks a lot, guys !

[Fabri970]

Thank's for the replies and the beautiful images.

I think that i'll buy the small one, it'has a great image quality and ,more important is not too big, i've already the Nokton , it's a great lens but for me too big, i don't want another fat brother.

[Doug]

Hope you like the 3.5/28 Color Skopar; it's a gem! I sold mine because I was doing interiors and needed more speed. I still have the 4/25mm which I think is the same size, and just put it on the Bessa 4 (which arrived today) to check viewfinder intrustion. With the frame switch set to 21/35mm, the edge of the 25's little hood just touches the lower right corner of the 35 frame, and (switching to the 28 frame) sticks into the 28mm frame only a little.

The location of the Bessa's VF window closer to the lens results in more VF intrusion than with the CLE and Zeiss Ikon for instance because those two have the VF notable farther from the lens centerline. More parallax, less intrusion...

The Leica 2.8/21mm, even without the hood, SERIOUSLY blocks the lower right quarter of the R4's 21mm framelines. I am leaving the hood off and the accessory finder on top for now, and I'll see how it goes. I'm sure the new 21mm Skopar will stay out of the view much better!

[nightfly]

Get it quick. They just stopped making them. (See numerous other threads from today)

Not sure if they are coming out with a new "M" mount equivalent. Personally I'd love to see something around 2.8 (or faster if possible) that retains the small size. Otherwise I'll probably save for the new Leica ASPH Elmarit. Seems like the best compromise between size and speed although cheap for a Leica product, it's still many times the cost of anything CV makes.