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Old 03-26-2007   #26
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I think he would probably have liked a high end digi point and shoot
Seeing the pace of his action I suspect he would'nt have liked shutterlag

BTW: Seeing him jerking around his camera I think all deep and complex theories about Garrys camera tilt are now obsolete. It just happened. He wants to look like he's just playing around - not beeing serious.

Of course later when editing his pictures I'm sure he considered the right amount of tilt, for it is essential for the picture to "grow legs".

...ah yes and... THANKS ASH !!! *bow*

I wonder if it's possible to cature the video, keeping it safe? Anyone knows?
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Old 03-26-2007   #27
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I wonder if it's possible to cature the video, keeping it safe? Anyone knows?
Sure, no problem. After registering on vimeo.com you can download the video. I did that and now I have it on my iPod. Its audio i one-channel only, I think I'll fix that because the lack of sound in my right ear is a bit annoying.

And yes: Ash, thanks a LOT! Great find indeed!!!
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Old 03-26-2007   #28
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>i think he would have liked the hexar rf.

I know I do. I've just bought my third and indefinitely shelved my M7.

Thanks Ash for the video link. I have doing some serious history of street photography homework and this fit right in.
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>i think he would have liked the hexar rf.

I know I do. I've just bought my third and indefinitely shelved my M7.

Thanks Ash for the video link. I have doing some serious history of street photography homework and this fit right in.
You've just induced serious hexar gas. I hadn't known much about them and your post made me do a little research. Now I want a hexar RF and AF dammit! I was thinking of an bessa-r2a, but now maybe the hexar would be a better bet, and does so much more, if I can find one.
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Old 03-26-2007   #30
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All this Hexarcana. Remember, folks, I had nothing to do with this.


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Old 03-26-2007   #31
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>Now I want a hexar RF

The Hexar has gone from a lowly stepchild backup to my M7 to my front line camera. It is a really great camera.

Only a smidge louder then the M7 but having a top speed of 1/4000, the auto-winder, auto-loading/rewinding, self-timer, smaller than the M7 (when I had it fully equipped with the TA Rapidwinder and Grip), and 1/3 the cost of even a USED M7 makes it impossible to beat.

I feel myself slowly being cured of LS (Leica Syndrome) and comfortable in the knowledge that a camera doesn't have to be made by Leica in order to be excellent -- and to (hopefully) take great pictures.
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Anyone have a link that doesn't require flash?
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Ash thanks for this, but does anyone else think that Winogrand came across as slightly "creepy"
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I didn't really think he came across as creepy. Especially compare to Meyerowitz in his street ninja mode.

It was fun to watch him work. I like his attitude very much, and it comes across better on tape than it does in a transcript. It's not the first time I've heard the "there isn't a story, how can a single frame tell a story?" argument, but it's the first time I could accept it (even if I don't agree).

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the Meyerowitz one is funny, he's dressed like the SWAT captain from Hill St Blues...
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Winograd's style is admirable.
Meyerowitz on the otherhand is just wacko in his video. IMHO there are two reasons he does not get beaten up , he does look creepy and in NYC you never know....... and second there are probably two big body guards behind the camera protecting him.....

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Winograd's style is admirable.
Meyerowitz on the otherhand is just wacko in his video. IMHO there are two reasons he does not get beaten up , he does look creepy and in NYC you never know....... and second there are probably two big body guards behind the camera protecting him.....

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Meyerowitz is also very tall. So tall and creepy is actually a safe combination.
A little known fact that HCB was also quite tall(he also stood above the crowd) and yet managed to get blended in the crowd.
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>Winogrand came across as slightly "creepy"

I didn't think so.

>So tall and creepy is actually a safe combination.

Well, I'm 6'5" so I like the "tall" part of getting away with be a street photographer -- but I'm not so sure I like the "creepy" part...

But, seriously, I've never had a problem even in the semi-frequent times when I am noticed.

It looks like I'm in good company, though, when it comes to being tall.
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I got followed around in downtown Tucson a few weeks ago by a very creepy guy with long, dirty hair. I finally turned and confronted him. Turned out he was an undercover cop and was following me not because he thought I was breaking the law but because he couldn't figure out why I was taking pictures of..."anything interesting. Just that guy crossing the street...do you know that guy?"

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I got followed around in downtown Tucson a few weeks ago by a very creepy guy with long, dirty hair. I finally turned and confronted him. Turned out he was an undercover cop and was following me not because he thought I was breaking the law but because he couldn't figure out why I was taking pictures of..."anything interesting. Just that guy crossing the street...do you know that guy?"

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This is funny. I don't know how many times over the years I have had to explain what I am taking a photo of and why. Digital makes it a bit easier as you can show them the photos. People always think that because you are photographing something that it is somehow extraordinary and they want to know what that is. But most walk away shaking their head.

I found it interesting that even with his quiet M4 Winogrand was noticed taking photos quite often. At least in this video. Even with the quietest camera I get noticed often. He didn't seem to worry too much about it and just kept moving. I love his answer to the lady who asks "What's happening" Winogrand says:"I'm surviving and laughs" I gotta try that one.

He probably would have liked the depth of field of the digital compacts. I don't think that he made large prints. Look at the show in the video, most prints look to be A4 or so. Shutter lag would have been the major issue though. You just couldn't comfortably shoot in his style of work with any degree of shutter lag. I have gone through alot of digitals because of this problem.

Anyway, superb post and great video. This type of video is few and far between.
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Very cool to watch. How great would it have been to hang out with him a bit?
He was noticed quite a bit in that clip, but he did have a camera crew following him around so that likely drew much of the attention.

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I suppose one of us could put the Meyerowitz and Winogrand* videos side-by-side, with appelations such as "Street Photography: the Wrong Way/Street Photography: the Right Way", "Street Shooter: Ninja/Street Shooter: Plainclothes", or the like. I like Meyerowitz and his work, but I felt he was veering awfully close to parody in his clip (and not necessarily self-parody, either), whereas Winogrand had a just some guy, you know? demeanor which, more often than not, was the M.O. of most of the good and great photogrraphers I've had the good luck to rub elbows with more than once (Elliott Erwitt and Burk Uzzle come to mind).


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*The Winogrand film crew, of course, was a real film crew, as WNET (and CBS's 60 minutes) still had a film unit or two back then. I often like to tease camera crews I encounter or directly deal with when it comes to nomenclature:

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Me: Uh, no, you're taping in twenty.

C.O.: Huh?

Me: You're not shooting film. You're shooting tape.

C.O.: What's the diff?

Me: You're went to school for this stuff, and I have to explain it to you?

C.O.: Dude, this thing actually has a hard drive thingy in it. So #µ©% off.
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>Now I want a hexar RF

The Hexar has gone from a lowly stepchild backup to my M7 to my front line camera. It is a really great camera.

Only a smidge louder then the M7 but having a top speed of 1/4000, the auto-winder, auto-loading/rewinding, self-timer, smaller than the M7 (when I had it fully equipped with the TA Rapidwinder and Grip), and 1/3 the cost of even a USED M7 makes it impossible to beat.

I feel myself slowly being cured of LS (Leica Syndrome) and comfortable in the knowledge that a camera doesn't have to be made by Leica in order to be excellent -- and to (hopefully) take great pictures.
I've got serious LS right now. i can't afford an M8 (or M7 for that matter). But a used M6 is doable. But I really really want a camera with AE. I was thinking of going bessa-R2A, but maybe I can stretch a bit and get a hexar. So it sounds like you're pretty happy with it...
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Hmm...based on eBay prices and the like, I think it's time to move Hexar futures up from "outperform" to "buy and hold".

(Not that I needed any convincing...)


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>I was thinking of going bessa-R2A

Skip the Bessa with its short RF base and less than rugged RF design.

The Hexar is far closer to Leica in QA then the Bessa hopes to be. (I like the Bessa BTW...)

You will be able to find a Hexar RF here or on eBay in excellent or mint condition for $600 or less if you are patient. I just bought two "new" (for me) cameras in kits with the 50mm f/2 lens and flash for ~$1000. I sell the lenses for $400 to $500 so you do the math...
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Stop it, Dave, you're cornering (and overheating) the market!


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Barrett's right. If I ever want to buy one, clearly I'm screwed.
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Okay. I'll shuddup. Look away for a couple of days and it'll all be back to normal...
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I've tried all that I can think of, and I absolutely cannot watch the Winograd video.

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I've tried all that I can think of, and I absolutely cannot watch the Winograd video.

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Ted: Were you able to download the video? I (or someone here, perhaps) could send you the Quicktime video, if that would help.


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