An exposure chart for your pocket!

[vrgard]

Originally Posted by Keith novak

Before this thread progresses any further I need to remind everyone that I'm not attempting to take credit for Fred's charts ... I just wanted to share the useful format that I adapted them to. I know that none of you wonderful people have accused me of such ... you're too damned sensible to do that!

But ... I put the same post on P.net and guess what?

Sorry to hear, Keith, that someone on another forum misunderstood your intentions. I, for one, appreciate that you posted your modified version and plan to print it out and use it. So, thanks!

-Randy

[Socke]

Originally Posted by rxmd

I'm using a slide rule from a PDF at http://rohleder.gmxhome.de/manuals/tomsk1d.pdf. Convenient, fits in your pocket, f/11, f/16 and GOST scales.

Philipp

Yippey! That's what I've been looking for!

[holsed]

Thanks man!! As a newbie, im learning more indept photography!!

[FrankS]

Here's the chart that I've been using:

[Keith]

Originally Posted by FrankS

Here's the chart that I've been using:

I like that Frank ... just the bare essentials ... but I don't see 'Tony's Bar' anywhere?

[sailfish]

Thanks a lot Keith, for an beginner like myself it is of great assistance !

[dreilly]

Originally Posted by Keith novak

Before this thread progresses any further I need to remind everyone that I'm not attempting to take credit for Fred's charts ...

When I posted my little chart version the first time, one RFFer warned me about copywrite. I don't think in this case it's an issue. For one, who went to Fred's site as a result of this thread? Two, Fred's info isn't the formula for cold fusion, it's commonly known--or at least, I'm sure it exists in other sources. What Fred did was put it into a comprehensive and relatively simple form, which Keith then simplified further. I can only imagine that Fred would be happy that people are propogating his main idea...a person's brain as a good light meter!

thanks Keith
doug

[Keith]

Originally Posted by dreilly

When I posted my little chart version the first time, one RFFer warned me about copywrite. I don't think in this case it's an issue. For one, who went to Fred's site as a result of this thread? Two, Fred's info isn't the formula for cold fusion, it's commonly known--or at least, I'm sure it exists in other sources. What Fred did was put it into a comprehensive and relatively simple form, which Keith then simplified further. I can only imagine that Fred would be happy that people are propogating his main idea...a person's brain as a good light meter!

thanks Keith
doug

When I put the same post on P.net, as I mentioned, the reactions were very different to this forum. A couple of posts not so subtley suggested I was giving Fred Parker no credit for being the originator of the tables but as was pointed out here, he didn't invent the 'sunny sixteen rule' and all I was doing was converting them into an abbreviated pocket sized format and really wanted others to benefit. A lot of people have had me send them the jpegs and I'll happily keep doing that as long as anyone wants them!

A quick visit to to P.net this morning was interesting ... they have deleted my post so obviously a little copywrite paranoia exists over there! I guess it represents their generally uptight attitude ... when my subscription renewal comes around for their forum I suspect I will be letting it lapse!

[ebolton]

With all due respect, I did look at the first post in this thread and saw no reference at all to Fred Parker's materials. It seems to have come later, which is better than nothing, but...

I do think it would have been proper to credit him there. I have my own spreadsheet I use to calculate various settings that incorporates some of his stuff (along with some other info), but I don't make it public.

Ed

[reagan]

What's with the cheat.sheets? joe told me I had to memorize this stuff before he'd let me join RFF. Didn't you guys?
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(Very helpful tool indeed, Keith.)

[Keith]

Originally Posted by ebolton

With all due respect, I did look at the first post in this thread and saw no reference at all to Fred Parker's materials. It seems to have come later, which is better than nothing, but...

I do think it would have been proper to credit him there. I have my own spreadsheet I use to calculate various settings that incorporates some of his stuff (along with some other info), but I don't make it public.

Ed

Yes Ed ... in hindsight I wish I had mentioned it now and if you check you'll find I have added it to the original post as a ps ... but I don't really regard offering it to RFF'ers as making it public though! Plus his website, with a link, has been mentioned many times in various threads in the short period I have been a member here.

Someone directed me to his website a long time ago and I actually sent him a couple of emails but never received any replies. His site is very inspiring when you are just starting in photography... as I was then!

[FrankS]

No worries, Keith! It's not like you are profitting from sharing Fred's chart, and it's not like Fred made this up, he simply compiled this data which is empirical fact/knowledge.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by FrankS

No worries, Keith! It's not like you are profitting from sharing Fred's chart, and it's not like Fred made this up, he simply compiled this data which is empirical fact/knowledge.

Thanks Frank ... like you my Budhist tendencies require that I go through life treading on as few toes as possible!

[Huck Finn]

I've posted this in the past, so here it is again - another option for a pocket photo guide, The Harris Photoguide for Xisting Light. Robert Harris uses a wheel sytem to pack a lot of information into a small space.

www.harrisphotos.com/BetterPhot.html

[ebolton]

Well done, Keith! My hat's off to you.

Regards,

Ed

[Spyderman]

HERE is a link to an older thread with some exposure charts if someone's interested...

Fred's page seems to be the inspiration for most of us

[Bill58]

A pretty, young woman asks "Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" The RFF member says somewhat dejectedly "No, it's my exposure chart." End of story.

[rover]

Has anyone bought these?

http://cgi.ebay.com/CHEATSHEETS-for-...QQcmdZViewItem

[shadowfox]

Originally Posted by Keith novak

Yes Ed ... in hindsight I wish I had mentioned it now and if you check you'll find I have added it to the original post as a ps ... but I don't really regard offering it to RFF'ers as making it public though! Plus his website, with a link, has been mentioned many times in various threads in the short period I have been a member here.

Someone directed me to his website a long time ago and I actually sent him a couple of emails but never received any replies. His site is very inspiring when you are just starting in photography... as I was then!

Keith, you don't need to explain yourself
Your motives are pure and simple. Those who chose to take issues with it, have issues themselves.

I can't believe reading your post today. It's just yesterday that I found Fred's website. Awesome website, btw!

I was kinda in a different situation yesterday because I was trying to calculate how to best use the 1/40s shutter speed of my Oly 35 Trip with the different apertures (yes, I know it's supposed to be used with a flash, but color me weird!).

Since Fred's table uses the EV numbers, it makes all sense in the world!
Thanks for putting it in my pocket
... now if only I can get this zone-focusing technique in my brain...

[Seamus04]

Keith, outstanding! Thanks for taking the time to put this together.... Already printed and laminated.

[dspeltz]

Just in time. I am taking panoramas of Times Square tonight and I was trying to remember what I had learned 30 years ago about brightly lit night exposures. I wasn't doing too well. Thanks.

[dspeltz]

I did times square at night using the chart. The contrast is extremely high. Signs were ok if I used "8: but the rest of the scene was black. I found detail if I lowered the contrast in the processing software although it was not pretty. My guess is that a 7 might be safer, although safest might be to bracket and combine in Photoshop.

[Joe Brugger]

Originally Posted by Huck Finn

I've posted this in the past, so here it is again - another option for a pocket photo guide, The Harris Photoguide for Xisting Light. Robert Harris uses a wheel sytem to pack a lot of information into a small space.

www.harrisphotos.com/BetterPhot.html

If you rummage around used book stores or ask at older photo shops you can often find:

"Photographers Handbook: Life Library of Photography", a 64-page spiral bound notebook

and:

"Kodak Professional Photoguide" , a 5x7 spiral notebook running around 40 pages that came out in several editions over the years.

Both books are dirt-cheap now and have exposure charts and tons of other photo reference information.

[tburke]

Might I recommend the tiny and accurate slide-rule Exposure Mat?
I've used it for a couple of weeks after stumbling upon it, and it works great. It seems smaller than the original tables posted on this thread, but to each his own.

http://expomat.tripod.com/

[Kent]

Wow! That's nice!

Cheers,
Kent