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Just picked up a Heliar Classic 50mm/f2...
Old 12-22-2006   #1
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Just picked up a Heliar Classic 50mm/f2...

I've liked the look and idea of the Heliar Classic since I first saw it announced, but didn't need the body, so I jumped when I saw a specialist camera store selling a minty black lens without the R2M body (seems some guy bought the kit for the body only).

It came this morning and I've got to say - wow! Is this the first new lens CV have released under their own name since the Zeiss ZMs? 'Cos if it is they've really learned something from the Germans. Now I'm a big fan of the CV lenses anyway (I should be, I own a half-dozen of them), but this is BY FAR the best built example I've handled, and the black and silver finish is REALLY similar to the ZMs.

It's seriously compact as well, although as has been mentioned it doesn't actually collapse all that much. But next to the Nokton it looks tiny. Weirdly though, it weighs nearly twice as much as the 1.5?! I've been out shooting with it this afternoon and can't wait to get the roll of Neopan 1600 in the soup.

I'm kinda excited - can you tell?
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Old 12-22-2006   #2
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Please show us some samples after the souping.
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I just got one too. see my gallery under Hillsboro, FL for about 50 example shots.
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Old 01-08-2007   #4
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mr_philip: yes, the heliar is very well built, the hood is spring loaded, the same as ZM lens, i have the silver one, it is heavy, the mount is brass I believe.


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Old 01-08-2007   #5
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Beautiful lens. This will most likely be my next purchase (though I hope there will still be some without the bodies still for sale.)
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Old 01-09-2007   #6
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I've shot a couple of rolls with the Heliar Classic now and it really is a bit special. It's noticably sharper than the Nokton (itself no mean performer) at the same apertures, and the handling continues to impress.

I've put a few of the images up on my Flick Stream - I'll be adding more when I get through scanning the negatives.

Now if only Mr K would do a collapsable 90mm to match...
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both stephen at cameraquest.com and Rich Pinto have them for sale separate from the bodies
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Just to help people suffering from acute GAS, here is a portrait of the Heliar on my black R3M:



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I was looking at this today on CQ. I feel GAS rising. I'd love to see some pics taken with it.

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I'd love to see some pics taken with it.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=34137
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I was looking at this today on CQ. I feel GAS rising. I'd love to see some pics taken with it.

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I just got one too. see my gallery under Hillsboro, FL for about 50 example shots.
Thank you! That's what I'm looking for, a nice full gallery to peruse!


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Here's a few for you Ray, great little lens, you'll love it..
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Here's a few for you Ray, great little lens, you'll love it..
Thanks, Bill. How much sharpening (if any) did you do on the outdoor pics, particularly the Indian? It looks like a sharp lens. Both your exterior images and kshapero's look good.

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I have one in black finish.....
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I have one in black finish.....

mounted on a blk chrome MP the combo is sweetly light and can be carried all day long for sure. I think Camera quest is selling them for $450 or so. I paid a hundred bucks more than that. These are all wide open. Taken for fun at the office.
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Just half of the default setting in PSE-4, this lens doesn't need much..
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also, it mounts well on the MP, but is fiddly on the M2 for some reason.
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I was looking at this today on CQ. I feel GAS rising. I'd love to see some pics taken with it.

The 50mm f/2 Classic Heliar has become my favorite lens on the R-D1.
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Thanks, Bill. How much sharpening (if any) did you do on the outdoor pics, particularly the Indian? It looks like a sharp lens. Both your exterior images and kshapero's look good.

my shots were not retouched and I am not that good of a photographer. Must be that new 50mm f2 lens.
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I've shot a couple of rolls with the Heliar Classic now and it really is a bit special. It's noticably sharper than the Nokton (itself no mean performer) at the same apertures, and the handling continues to impress.
Really? Which Nokton?
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I was comparing it with the 50mm/f1.5 Nokton. The Helair Classic supplanted my 50mm Nokton to such an extent that I recently sold it - I'd stopped using it altogether. The Nokton was a lovely lens, but the Heliar's better in every regard bar the maximum aperture.
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I was comparing it with the 50mm/f1.5 Nokton. The Helair Classic supplanted my 50mm Nokton to such an extent that I recently sold it - I'd stopped using it altogether. The Nokton was a lovely lens, but the Heliar's better in every regard bar the maximum aperture.
And you say the Heliar is actually sharper than the Nokton? Sorry for being dense, but it seemed like all the reports I was reading about the Heliar indicated that it was a nice lens, especially WRT boken, but that it wasn't especially sharp. So I was getting the impression that the Nokton still might be a tad bit sharper....

What aperture range do you tend to use? How did the two seem to compare at F2?
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And you say the Heliar is actually sharper than the Nokton? Sorry for being dense, but it seemed like all the reports I was reading about the Heliar indicated that it was a nice lens, especially WRT boken, but that it wasn't especially sharp. So I was getting the impression that the Nokton still might be a tad bit sharper....

What aperture range do you tend to use? How did the two seem to compare at F2?
The Heliar is a very sharp lens. In his Pop Photo November 2006 column, Herbert Keppler is rather eulogistic: "The Heliar turned out to be incredibly good, comparable at all apertures to the 50mm f/2 Leica Summicron-M we'd tested in 1996."

In its January 2007 column, Mr. Keppler compares the Classic Heliar with the Zeiss Ikon Planar 50mm f/2 and the Summicron 50mm f/2. The Summicron is a tad better than the 2 other ones, but these 3 lenses definitely play in the same league.

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Thanks for being patient with my questions and providing info. I also revisited mr_phillip's pictures, and in the end decided: "what the hey!" So now I've got both this lens and the 75/2.5 on order.
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Hello,

I'm new here...first post, actually, but I've been lurking. I've been wondering about this lens, and it's nice to hear such good things. I've been trying to decide between the Heliar and one of the numerous $499 "BGN" Summicrons at KEH. Is the Heliar just as good?

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Here is a couple shots I took with the Heliar lens. It does not have half stops past f8 though. It is a very sharp lens and I like using it besides thats all that matters.
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I am a happy owner of this lens. It stays on my camera most all the time now. It does not collapse much, but every bit helps. I'm still looking for that rangefinder/lens combo that will let me carry without much of a camera bag.

Most of my shots have then lens stopped down close to or on F/2:
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Old 03-21-2007   #27
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Wow, what a beauty this little lens is. The one I bought from Stephen just arrived today.
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The last I checked, Photo Village had lowered the price to $399. I'm a bit peeved since I paid $550. It's a sweet lens though and worth every penny.
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Wow, what a beauty this little lens is. The one I bought from Stephen just arrived today.
Amos, I am sure you'll love this lens even more when you see the results.

I don't know why people are not more enthusiastic about this lens. Maybe it is because it is a "Limited Edition" normally sold only as a kit with the R2M/R3M. That's a shame, because it has superb resolution, nice bokeh, great color rendition and the best built quality of the whole Cosina/Voiglander range (comparable to the lenses built for Zeiss). Being collapsible makes it a perfect pocketable lens for everyday use.

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The last I checked, Photo Village had lowered the price to $399. I'm a bit peeved since I paid $550. It's a sweet lens though and worth every penny.
Yup, that's ($399) what I paid Stephen for it. He's now got it on sale too. In fact there's currently a free shipping deal if you indicate your RFF ID.

Even the lens hood is impressive. Looks to be wonderfully made.

I was worried at first if it might be difficult for me to handle because I've got large hands. However, it's certainly no worse than the 40mm/1.4, and perhaps even slightly easier to handle.
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These seem very hard to find for a good price these days huh?
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Just found one. Looking forward to using it on my NEX.

It´s a bit odd that the only Voigtlander 50mm lens left is the "cyclops" 50/1.1. And no, I dont count the ZMs as "Voigtländer".
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These seem very hard to find for a good price these days huh?
Just bought a silver one in an eBay auction for 325 Euros.
I´m very happy and cant wait till it drop at my front door next days...
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This is a superb lens. As good as it gets IMHO.
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This is a superb lens. As good as it gets IMHO.
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I love my 50/2 Heliar, too!


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I guess I'm missing something the only one I see is the Nickle version for $799. on CQ. And, Photo Village doesn't answer the phone nor is the web site running?
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