Go Back   Rangefinderforum.com > 35mm Film Range Finders > Cosina Voigtlander Bessa

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes

Just picked up a Heliar Classic 50mm/f2...
Old 12-22-2006   #1
mr_phillip
Registered User
 
mr_phillip's Avatar
 
mr_phillip is offline
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 579
Just picked up a Heliar Classic 50mm/f2...

I've liked the look and idea of the Heliar Classic since I first saw it announced, but didn't need the body, so I jumped when I saw a specialist camera store selling a minty black lens without the R2M body (seems some guy bought the kit for the body only).

It came this morning and I've got to say - wow! Is this the first new lens CV have released under their own name since the Zeiss ZMs? 'Cos if it is they've really learned something from the Germans. Now I'm a big fan of the CV lenses anyway (I should be, I own a half-dozen of them), but this is BY FAR the best built example I've handled, and the black and silver finish is REALLY similar to the ZMs.

It's seriously compact as well, although as has been mentioned it doesn't actually collapse all that much. But next to the Nokton it looks tiny. Weirdly though, it weighs nearly twice as much as the 1.5?! I've been out shooting with it this afternoon and can't wait to get the roll of Neopan 1600 in the soup.

I'm kinda excited - can you tell?
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-22-2006   #2
Shooter
Registered User
 
Shooter's Avatar
 
Shooter is offline
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Arnoldland
Posts: 11
Please show us some samples after the souping.
__________________
Bessa T, Olympus OM1n, Pentax KX, Leicaflex SL
  Reply With Quote

Old 12-24-2006   #3
kshapero
Tourist
 
kshapero's Avatar
 
kshapero is offline
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida, USA
Age: 65
Posts: 8,707
I just got one too. see my gallery under Hillsboro, FL for about 50 example shots.
__________________
Akiva S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kshapero
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-08-2007   #4
summilux
Registered User
 
summilux's Avatar
 
summilux is offline
Join Date: Dec 2005
Posts: 317
mr_philip: yes, the heliar is very well built, the hood is spring loaded, the same as ZM lens, i have the silver one, it is heavy, the mount is brass I believe.


  Reply With Quote

Old 01-08-2007   #5
JonathanA
Member
 
JonathanA is offline
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 62
Beautiful lens. This will most likely be my next purchase (though I hope there will still be some without the bodies still for sale.)
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-09-2007   #6
mr_phillip
Registered User
 
mr_phillip's Avatar
 
mr_phillip is offline
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 579
I've shot a couple of rolls with the Heliar Classic now and it really is a bit special. It's noticably sharper than the Nokton (itself no mean performer) at the same apertures, and the handling continues to impress.

I've put a few of the images up on my Flick Stream - I'll be adding more when I get through scanning the negatives.

Now if only Mr K would do a collapsable 90mm to match...
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-09-2007   #7
Flyfisher Tom
Registered User
 
Flyfisher Tom's Avatar
 
Flyfisher Tom is offline
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: on the river ...
Posts: 1,975
both stephen at cameraquest.com and Rich Pinto have them for sale separate from the bodies
__________________
regards,

Tom
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-09-2007   #8
Abbazz
6x9 and be there!
 
Abbazz's Avatar
 
Abbazz is offline
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Vendôme (France)
Posts: 701
Just to help people suffering from acute GAS, here is a portrait of the Heliar on my black R3M:



Cheers,

Abbazz
__________________
Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment décisif, et le chef-d'œuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaître et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz

The 6x9 Photography Online Resource

  Reply With Quote

Old 01-09-2007   #9
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
 
RayPA's Avatar
 
RayPA is offline
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The GOLDEN State
Posts: 4,581
I was looking at this today on CQ. I feel GAS rising. I'd love to see some pics taken with it.

__________________
Ray, SF Bay Area
My Blurb Books.
RFF Gallery
I'm ~quinine~ on Flickr
blogged
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-09-2007   #10
Abbazz
6x9 and be there!
 
Abbazz's Avatar
 
Abbazz is offline
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Vendôme (France)
Posts: 701
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayPA
I'd love to see some pics taken with it.
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=34137
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=29458
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=30258
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=27278
http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...ad.php?t=25757

Cheers,

Abbazz
__________________
Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment décisif, et le chef-d'œuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaître et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz

The 6x9 Photography Online Resource

  Reply With Quote

Old 01-09-2007   #11
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
 
RayPA's Avatar
 
RayPA is offline
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The GOLDEN State
Posts: 4,581
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayPA
I was looking at this today on CQ. I feel GAS rising. I'd love to see some pics taken with it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by kshapero
I just got one too. see my gallery under Hillsboro, FL for about 50 example shots.
Thank you! That's what I'm looking for, a nice full gallery to peruse!


__________________
Ray, SF Bay Area
My Blurb Books.
RFF Gallery
I'm ~quinine~ on Flickr
blogged
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-10-2007   #12
B_Algood
B_Algood
 
B_Algood's Avatar
 
B_Algood is offline
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Elyria, Ohio U.S.A.
Age: 64
Posts: 112
Here's a few for you Ray, great little lens, you'll love it..
Attached Images
File Type: jpg __4_0003.jpg (334.9 KB, 316 views)
File Type: jpg scan0002.jpg (735.2 KB, 242 views)
File Type: jpg scan0001.jpg (937.6 KB, 174 views)
__________________
" Always be Good"...Bill~

Bessa R3M
CV 25 f/4 Ss Skopar
CV 50 f/2 Heliar
Cv 75 f/2.5 Heliar
Olympus E-3
Panasonic DMC-LC1
Leica D-Lux 3
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-10-2007   #13
RayPA
Ignore It (It'll go away)
 
RayPA's Avatar
 
RayPA is offline
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: The GOLDEN State
Posts: 4,581
Quote:
Originally Posted by B_Algood
Here's a few for you Ray, great little lens, you'll love it..
Thanks, Bill. How much sharpening (if any) did you do on the outdoor pics, particularly the Indian? It looks like a sharp lens. Both your exterior images and kshapero's look good.

__________________
Ray, SF Bay Area
My Blurb Books.
RFF Gallery
I'm ~quinine~ on Flickr
blogged
  Reply With Quote

I have one in black finish.....
Old 01-10-2007   #14
BigSteveG
Registered User
 
BigSteveG is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 612
I have one in black finish.....

mounted on a blk chrome MP the combo is sweetly light and can be carried all day long for sure. I think Camera quest is selling them for $450 or so. I paid a hundred bucks more than that. These are all wide open. Taken for fun at the office.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Brenda'sBaby#1.JPG (151.5 KB, 219 views)
File Type: jpg Brenda'sBaby#8.JPG (158.6 KB, 231 views)
File Type: jpg Brenda'sBaby#10.JPG (139.3 KB, 145 views)
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-10-2007   #15
B_Algood
B_Algood
 
B_Algood's Avatar
 
B_Algood is offline
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Elyria, Ohio U.S.A.
Age: 64
Posts: 112
Just half of the default setting in PSE-4, this lens doesn't need much..
__________________
" Always be Good"...Bill~

Bessa R3M
CV 25 f/4 Ss Skopar
CV 50 f/2 Heliar
Cv 75 f/2.5 Heliar
Olympus E-3
Panasonic DMC-LC1
Leica D-Lux 3
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-10-2007   #16
BigSteveG
Registered User
 
BigSteveG is offline
Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 612
also, it mounts well on the MP, but is fiddly on the M2 for some reason.
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-10-2007   #17
scho
Registered User
 
scho's Avatar
 
scho is offline
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Ithaca, NY
Age: 77
Posts: 335
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayPA
I was looking at this today on CQ. I feel GAS rising. I'd love to see some pics taken with it.

The 50mm f/2 Classic Heliar has become my favorite lens on the R-D1.
http://www.pbase.com/scho/image/71780940
__________________
Gear: Leica M-E, Sigma DP3M, Ricoh GXR-M, Contax G2, Rolleiflex 2.8F.

TheDailySnap
  Reply With Quote

Old 01-19-2007   #18
kshapero
Tourist
 
kshapero's Avatar
 
kshapero is offline
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: South Florida, USA
Age: 65
Posts: 8,707
Quote:
Originally Posted by RayPA
Thanks, Bill. How much sharpening (if any) did you do on the outdoor pics, particularly the Indian? It looks like a sharp lens. Both your exterior images and kshapero's look good.

my shots were not retouched and I am not that good of a photographer. Must be that new 50mm f2 lens.
__________________
Akiva S.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/kshapero
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-12-2007   #19
goo0h
Registered User
 
goo0h is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Texas, USA
Posts: 686
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_phillip
I've shot a couple of rolls with the Heliar Classic now and it really is a bit special. It's noticably sharper than the Nokton (itself no mean performer) at the same apertures, and the handling continues to impress.
Really? Which Nokton?
__________________
Amos

Me on flickr.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-12-2007   #20
mr_phillip
Registered User
 
mr_phillip's Avatar
 
mr_phillip is offline
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Glasgow, Scotland
Posts: 579
I was comparing it with the 50mm/f1.5 Nokton. The Helair Classic supplanted my 50mm Nokton to such an extent that I recently sold it - I'd stopped using it altogether. The Nokton was a lovely lens, but the Heliar's better in every regard bar the maximum aperture.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-14-2007   #21
goo0h
Registered User
 
goo0h is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Texas, USA
Posts: 686
Quote:
Originally Posted by mr_phillip
I was comparing it with the 50mm/f1.5 Nokton. The Helair Classic supplanted my 50mm Nokton to such an extent that I recently sold it - I'd stopped using it altogether. The Nokton was a lovely lens, but the Heliar's better in every regard bar the maximum aperture.
And you say the Heliar is actually sharper than the Nokton? Sorry for being dense, but it seemed like all the reports I was reading about the Heliar indicated that it was a nice lens, especially WRT boken, but that it wasn't especially sharp. So I was getting the impression that the Nokton still might be a tad bit sharper....

What aperture range do you tend to use? How did the two seem to compare at F2?
__________________
Amos

Me on flickr.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-14-2007   #22
Abbazz
6x9 and be there!
 
Abbazz's Avatar
 
Abbazz is offline
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Vendôme (France)
Posts: 701
Quote:
Originally Posted by goo0h
And you say the Heliar is actually sharper than the Nokton? Sorry for being dense, but it seemed like all the reports I was reading about the Heliar indicated that it was a nice lens, especially WRT boken, but that it wasn't especially sharp. So I was getting the impression that the Nokton still might be a tad bit sharper....

What aperture range do you tend to use? How did the two seem to compare at F2?
The Heliar is a very sharp lens. In his Pop Photo November 2006 column, Herbert Keppler is rather eulogistic: "The Heliar turned out to be incredibly good, comparable at all apertures to the 50mm f/2 Leica Summicron-M we'd tested in 1996."

In its January 2007 column, Mr. Keppler compares the Classic Heliar with the Zeiss Ikon Planar 50mm f/2 and the Summicron 50mm f/2. The Summicron is a tad better than the 2 other ones, but these 3 lenses definitely play in the same league.

Cheers,

Abbazz
__________________
Il n'y a rien dans le monde qui n'ait son moment décisif, et le chef-d'œuvre de la bonne conduite est de connaître et de prendre ce moment. - Cardinal de Retz

The 6x9 Photography Online Resource

  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2007   #23
goo0h
Registered User
 
goo0h is offline
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: North Texas, USA
Posts: 686
Thanks for being patient with my questions and providing info. I also revisited mr_phillip's pictures, and in the end decided: "what the hey!" So now I've got both this lens and the 75/2.5 on order.
__________________
Amos

Me on flickr.
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2007   #24
photophorous
Registered User
 
photophorous's Avatar
 
photophorous is offline
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Austin, Texas
Posts: 382
Hello,

I'm new here...first post, actually, but I've been lurking. I've been wondering about this lens, and it's nice to hear such good things. I've been trying to decide between the Heliar and one of the numerous $499 "BGN" Summicrons at KEH. Is the Heliar just as good?

Thanks,
Paul
  Reply With Quote

Old 03-15-2007   #25
cardinal
Registered User
 
cardinal is offline
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 3
Here is a couple shots I took with the Heliar lens. It does not have half stops past f8 though. It is a very sharp lens and I like using it besides thats all that matters.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 1.jpg (184.6 KB, 216 views)
File Type: jpg 2.jpg (181.1 KB, 192 views)
  Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Pop Photo Raves about 50/2 Heliar CameraQuest Cosina Voigtlander Bessa 19 02-13-2007 07:48
50mm classic heliar with R-D1 scho Digital Epson R-D1 Digital RF 1 12-17-2006 13:12
Heliar Classic 50/2 with R-D1 KEH Digital Epson R-D1 Digital RF 4 07-23-2006 02:33
Classic & Millennium 50/1.4 Nikkor compared VinceC Rangefinder Photography Discussion 29 07-11-2006 11:22



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:40.


vBulletin skin developed by: eXtremepixels
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.

All content on this site is Copyright Protected and owned by its respective owner. You may link to content on this site but you may not reproduce any of it in whole or part without written consent from its owner.