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12-06-2006
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Getting better with the Z4
Well, I`m definately getting better with the Zorki 4 - I`m still using up my well out of date Kodak C41 process ISO400 B&W film and my Dekonic Flashmeter as a makeshift Lightmeter but the camera is going great guns.. I don`t know what it is but I get the feeling that if I put the film in the F3, the pics wouldn`t have that same "old look" despite that the chester one was taken with the Ultra-modern 35mm CV Skopar lens  .. Shooting with this camera is sure addictive
I`ve still yet to put a roll through the Zorki-C Festival (too much like hard work with the back-loading 4a easily at hand ;-) but I WILL at some stage .. 2 Pics from the Z4 attached
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Lieca III + Summar 5cm F2 (c 1934)
Zorki 4 + Jupiter-8 (c 1963)
Zorki C Festival + Industar 22 (c 1957)
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CV 28mm F1.9 Ultron
CV 35mm F2.5 PC
CV 50mm F1.5 Nokton
CV 90mm APO Lanthar
Jupiter 8 50mm F2
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SLRs - F3 and FM2 (Both c 1981)
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12-06-2006
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Confirmed RF addict...
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Nice shots Adam! I'm glad you are liking your Z4... It's a camera I've never warmed up to for some reason & I'm thinking about selling mine since it gets no use. The finder is better than my other fsu cameras & I have a good range of ltm glass, but I never find myself grabing it on the way out the door...
Peter
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Thanks Peter - I like it becuse it`s far easier to load than my other FSU And has a modern combined VF/RF - if I wanted totally "easy" I`d just grab my merely 25yr old Nikon F3 which has whizzo modern features such as an LCD panel in the VF showing shutter speed, TTL metering, ultra fast film loading and A mode ;-) but that`s Boring and Zorki is fun to shoot  .
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R-D1 (c 2006)
Lieca III + Summar 5cm F2 (c 1934)
Zorki 4 + Jupiter-8 (c 1963)
Zorki C Festival + Industar 22 (c 1957)
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CV 28mm F1.9 Ultron
CV 35mm F2.5 PC
CV 50mm F1.5 Nokton
CV 90mm APO Lanthar
Jupiter 8 50mm F2
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SLRs - F3 and FM2 (Both c 1981)
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12-07-2006
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dum de dum de doo
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Glad you like it... I'm slowly getting used to my 4K at the mo... it's a clunky little thing, but I like mine 
Good shots by the way.
Cheers
Matt
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Talking about the Z4, does anyone know what focal is the finder for? I shot a couple of films with it, and lots of my pics were badly framed... quite anoying actually!!
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Originally Posted by rolleistef
Talking about the Z4, does anyone know what focal is the finder for? I shot a couple of films with it, and lots of my pics were badly framed... quite anoying actually!!
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50mm.
--Warren
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Thanks Matt - I`m not getting a full 36 from a roll as I`m making sure the thing is properly wound on before putting the back on but that`s better than the classic "winding nothing" syndrome ;-) ..
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R-D1 (c 2006)
Lieca III + Summar 5cm F2 (c 1934)
Zorki 4 + Jupiter-8 (c 1963)
Zorki C Festival + Industar 22 (c 1957)
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CV 28mm F1.9 Ultron
CV 35mm F2.5 PC
CV 50mm F1.5 Nokton
CV 90mm APO Lanthar
Jupiter 8 50mm F2
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SLRs - F3 and FM2 (Both c 1981)
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it doens't seem to be that simple... it may be closer to 40 than to 50, comparing the finder with the "real" image through the shutter, there was quite important a crop...
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Rolleiflex T, Rolleicord Art Déco, sweet Minolta XD5, dead XGM, X300 and X700 ; Hi-Matic F, Hi-Matic 9, Pentax SP1000 and K20D
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12-07-2006
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dum de dum de doo
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Originally Posted by Adam-T
Thanks Matt - I`m not getting a full 36 from a roll as I`m making sure the thing is properly wound on before putting the back on but that`s better than the classic "winding nothing" syndrome ;-) ..
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hehe, I've found my 4k ti to be pretty good for that... my big issue is the really naff film counter, I can't work out a way to reset it, and I'm really bad at keeping track of shots used. I end up snapping a film the other day because I lost track. At least capitalism can invent a decent frame counter
Matt
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You Press your thumb down on the knurly bit in the middle of the film winder and turn, it`s a bit stiff even on my 43yr old 4A but it moves
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R-D1 (c 2006)
Lieca III + Summar 5cm F2 (c 1934)
Zorki 4 + Jupiter-8 (c 1963)
Zorki C Festival + Industar 22 (c 1957)
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CV 28mm F1.9 Ultron
CV 35mm F2.5 PC
CV 50mm F1.5 Nokton
CV 90mm APO Lanthar
Jupiter 8 50mm F2
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SLRs - F3 and FM2 (Both c 1981)
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Originally Posted by rolleistef
it doens't seem to be that simple... it may be closer to 40 than to 50, comparing the finder with the "real" image through the shutter, there was quite important a crop...
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Yes, it's not quite that simple. Maybe what I should have said was that the viewfinder was "meant" to be used with a 50mm lens.
In reality, there are no framelines to judge the exact boundaries of the frame.
I don't think RF viewfinders were meant to be exact. That's why SLRs with 100% viewfinders were invented.
I happen to have my Z4 here with me, and also my Nikon F4 with 100% viewfinder. I compared the two, and I notice that the Z4's viewfinder gives a pretty close approximation of the 50mm field of view providing that:
1) The diopter is adjusted correctly for my eyesight
2) My eye is centered over the eyepiece, AND I don't move my eye out of the center of the eyepiece to try to view the corners.
--Warren
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Originally Posted by Warren T.
Yes, it's not quite that simple. Maybe what I should have said was that the viewfinder was "meant" to be used with a 50mm lens.
In reality, there are no framelines to judge the exact boundaries of the frame.
I don't think RF viewfinders were meant to be exact. That's why SLRs with 100% viewfinders were invented.
I happen to have my Z4 here with me, and also my Nikon F4 with 100% viewfinder. I compared the two, and I notice that the Z4's viewfinder gives a pretty close approximation of the 50mm field of view providing that:
1) The diopter is adjusted correctly for my eyesight
2) My eye is centered over the eyepiece, AND I don't move my eye out of the center of the eyepiece to try to view the corners.
--Warren
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One more thing, the Z4's basic viewfinder does not offer parallax compensation, so there will be framing error on close subjects.
--WT
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