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08-25-2006
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Nick Merritt
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This is an M mount camera, with autoexposure, neither of which the Bessa L has. Is it worth $1,000? I don't know; I would say it's priced rather high. But it's not as extreme a price, relatively, as that of the ZI external finders.
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08-25-2006
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the perfect thousand dollar "hip shooter", how vogue  |
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08-25-2006
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I do agree with many of your statements...
But donīt forget: this little item (expensive, not worth the money etc...) gives our rangefinderworld another member.
Welcome Zeiss Ikon SW!
Greetings to you all
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08-25-2006
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$1000 for a metal box to put film in? Not to mention an ugly metal box... No thanks... I'll stick with the Bessa L
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08-25-2006
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Why would anyone choose to pay this much money for a camera without a rangefinder when the normal version with rf is not really much more? I understand the ZM 15mm is not helicoided and all that but wouldn't it be better to have a camera that will work with your other lenses? Guess focusing a 25mm at close distances wide open isn't exactly a piece of cake. At least the Bessa L was cheap.
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08-26-2006
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Wouldn't a Bessa L do the same thing?
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08-26-2006
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The Bessa-L does the same thing. However, you can't mount Leica M-mount lenses to it, as it's LTM. So you couldn't buy any of the Zeiss glass and use it with the Bessa-L.
This camera would work well for the purists -- those who want Zeiss glass mounted to a Zeiss body. Or for those who want a dedicated body for superwide lenses AND have the pocketbook to pay for it.
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08-26-2006
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08-26-2006
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In this case, yes. the Zeiss IKON is an ugly duckling next to a Leica M. This one looks it was born with its eyes shut.
I like how the Zeiss logo, "Zeiss, Ikon", and SW are spread out evenly and unimaginatively across the front face of the camera. Looks like the designer used MS Word to design this body and was limited by the document margines.
Last edited by ywenz : 08-26-2006 at 05:26.
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08-26-2006
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ywenz : You are funny I am designer though |
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08-26-2006
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ywenz : You are funny I am designer though |
I just looked at your gallery.. amazing pictures! |
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08-26-2006
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ywenz : Thank you but zeiss ikon is great looking camera ofcourse leica is a beauty but zeiss has something individual, it is more stelar, it is somehow medical in some way, whole zeiss brand has medical aesthetics to me, thanks god my zeiss ikon does not have that blue zeiss logo |
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08-26-2006
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the zeiss reminds me of the minolta cle and i like the look of both.
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08-26-2006
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This is the most expensive stupid camera i've ever seen. By the way this is a RANGE FINDER forum. This camera doesn,t even have a range finder !
A Bessa L for $100 is ok but this camera for $1000 is really odd 
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08-27-2006
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Originally Posted by jaap
This is the most expensive stupid camera i've ever seen. By the way this is a RANGE FINDER forum. This camera doesn,t even have a range finder !
A Bessa L for $100 is ok but this camera for $1000 is really odd |
Yeah! There should be a law against things like this. |
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08-29-2006
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Could I ask what is the benefit of using this body over any other regular rangefinder camera with the same lenses?
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08-29-2006
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Originally Posted by RIVI1969
Could I ask what is the benefit of using this body over any other regular rangefinder camera with the same lenses?
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Counter question, what is the benefit of a built in view- and rangefinder with an uncoupled lens and external viewfinder? |
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09-19-2006
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Does anyone here shoot strictly wide?
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09-19-2006
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for that sort of money + the cost of a lens you might also considered a used Hassy SWC!
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09-19-2006
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Originally Posted by Jorge Torralba
Does anyone here shoot strictly wide?
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i seem to be moving in that direction.
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09-19-2006
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Nice!
It's an up market Bessa L. |
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09-19-2006
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It seems like for the price of the 15 or even the 21 it would be a better deal to get a hassy swc
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09-20-2006
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Somehow I donīt get the concept of this camera! with the Bessa L it was the cheapest alternative for using the 15 Heliar and this worked sales wise but 1000$ for AE in Superwide?? Ainīt TTL lightmeters fooled easily by WA lenses anyways?
otoh I salute Zeiss for bringing out exotic Film equipment in these digital times!
BUT I much rather have my Leica Standard WA (Leica L or whatever you wanna call it  ) plus incident light meter...
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09-20-2006
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What does this camera provide me over my Canon Model P and Gossen Luna Pro--$400 total? CV wide/ superwide lenses come w/ a dedicated VF. Am I missing something here?
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09-20-2006
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Bill, hows about mounting M-Mount lenses on the camera?
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