Is MP base plate OK to replace scratched M7 plate?

[SDK]

Hi,

My anti-panda black paint M7 had a slight mishap, and I scratched/dinged one corner of the bottom plate. Fortunately, that seems to be all that was hurt. I was thinking I might get an MP plate as a replacement, if it's compatible. Is the MP plate essentially the same? I'd also love the auf/zu labels the MP plate sports, but that my M7 plate lacks.

Sorry - you're going to replace it because it has a scratch? That's a sad story.

[SDK]

Please would someone answer the question I asked, instead of making comments on my desires. I want facts, not opinions.

Does the MP base plate fit the M7?

[Andy Aitken]

Yes, it will fit.

[Mackinaw]

Originally Posted by SDK

Does the MP base plate fit the M7?

I'm pretty sure it will fit.

Jim B.

[SDK]

Thank you Andy and Mackinaw!

[Crasis]

Your M7 is no longer mint! YOU TOOK IT OUT OF THE PLASTIC?

What the hell? Don't bother with it anymore. It's worthless now that it's touched non-Solms air.

[back alley]

let's be nice folks, there is no crime in wanting nice looking gear.

sometimes i think photographers get carried away with some romantic & idealized vision of what a photographer 'should' look like - as in some war correspondent with beat up gear.

[Crasis]

I know, I know.. it's just funny sometimes. Let me quote what my friend said to me earlier:

"horst was telling me about some of these collectors

he heard of an m6 deal once where the buy and seller refused to open the box and to confirm the deal they in fact X-RAYED the container"

Sometimes.. certain goodies become collector goodies and never for use

[back alley]

Originally Posted by Crasis

I know, I know.. it's just funny sometimes. Let me quote what my friend said to me earlier:

"horst was telling me about some of these collectors

he heard of an m6 deal once where the buy and seller refused to open the box and to confirm the deal they in fact X-RAYED the container"

Sometimes.. certain goodies become collector goodies and never for use

extreme colectors go to extreme lengths to get mint never touched the air gear.

but look at steve's work and you'll find a user not a collector.

[Crasis]

Eh, you're right. The guy probably can't load his film with that dent in the plate. Probably doesn't close up. I shouldn't assume that it's just a cosmetic reason. My bad.

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[merciful]

Thank you, again.

I think that here, as opposed to pnet, one usually finds that the discussions end with some civility and the occasional mea culpa - at least until someone arrives with an orange-yellow-blue striped bellows to brandish toward the coals.

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[telenous]

Hello Magus,

good to see you back. I believe you are right in some of what you say. Some of the earlier replies were seemingly made mala fide. To be fair though, Back Alley intervened straight away, and he did so with his usual even-handedness and panache.

Leica users, esp. those of us infatuated with our cameras and lenses, attract much more taunting than bonhomie seems to allow. My explanation for it is that the clientele of Leica is quite diverse, effectively encompassing artists, snobs, gearheads, and many more besides. Some interlocutors tend to see in the Leica user all these attributes, and in particular the snob and the wannabe artist, when clearly one may exemplify any, some or none of these properties. That's what, in my mind at least, explains some of the totally uncalled for taunting.

However, I beg to differ from you on what you say about RFF. Older members always chip-in when there's a shred of evidence of undue sarcasm. I 'm sure sometimes there's quite a lot "lost in translation", even when it comes to people who speak the same language.

[back alley]

magus, maybe you don't realize...but how you came back with your post was actually stronger and, dare i say it, worse than the original offense.

especially if you read the following make nice posts.

i appreciate you're wanting to help out in this type of situation but sometimes the cure can be made worse than the disease.


"To be fair though, Back Alley, intervened straight away, and he did so with his usual even-handedness and panache."

tell me more...

joe

The "anti-panda" comment gave the initial post a real masturbatory sense, I thought. Not really a relevant piece of info at all, more of a "hey, check out my gear." I think that's totally fair as long as he's willing to acknowledge/ignore the same magnitude of irrelevant comments in return.

In retrospect, I am more likely to return attitude when a question such as the one above is posed with a little humility... my 2 cents. He might have simply asked if the piece fit. Instead, he essentially handed out the invitation.

[telenous]

adayoncedawned - Surely you 're wrong on this. SDK does not come across at all like that. And, you will agree, nobody hands invitation for derision just because he happens to like his gear. Lets put it this way: if someone has a question about his M7 or MP or... where else to go and ask but the Leica forum in RFF?

In my book Magus is one of the very good elements in RFF. Highly opinionated, yes. But rude or "with issues" not.

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[ddutchison]

Originally Posted by adayoncedawned

The "anti-panda" comment gave the initial post a real masturbatory sense, I thought. Not really a relevant piece of info at all, more of a "hey, check out my gear." I think that's totally fair as long as he's willing to acknowledge/ignore the same magnitude of irrelevant comments in return.

In retrospect, I am more likely to return attitude when a question such as the one above is posed with a little humility... my 2 cents. He might have simply asked if the piece fit. Instead, he essentially handed out the invitation.

Huh?

This is just a place for people who like RFF cameras (whether it's using them, collecting them, or both) to congregate and talk about RFF camera related things. No one is here handing out "invitations" to be put down because their interests differ from others. It's a diverse community, to be enjoyed, not judged.

[SDK]

Originally Posted by adayoncedawned

The "anti-panda" comment gave the initial post a real masturbatory sense, I thought. Not really a relevant piece of info at all, more of a "hey, check out my gear." I think that's totally fair as long as he's willing to acknowledge/ignore the same magnitude of irrelevant comments in return.

In retrospect, I am more likely to return attitude when a question such as the one above is posed with a little humility... my 2 cents. He might have simply asked if the piece fit. Instead, he essentially handed out the invitation.

I try to be very polite answering other peoples questions. Please do me the same courtesy.

I use this camera almost every day, and perhaps I love it more than an inanimate object should be cared for. But it is the most expensive piece of non-darkroom equipment I own, and I had it made to look how I wanted it. You can call that foolish, but why should I care about your opinion?

[back alley]

would we think it was so 'foolish' to care this much if the scratch was on our new car?

if it were my new zi i would be most unhappy to have a mark on it. of course i know it would still work and mount my zm lenses but i would have a moment of disappointment.

[kbg32]

Originally Posted by SDK

Hi,

My anti-panda black paint M7 had a slight mishap, and I scratched/dinged one corner of the bottom plate. Fortunately, that seems to be all that was hurt. I was thinking I might get an MP plate as a replacement, if it's compatible. Is the MP plate essentially the same? I'd also love the auf/zu labels the MP plate sports, but that my M7 plate lacks.

SDK,

You should have no problem with the base plate fitting your M7. I've had my M4 for 26 years and it dates from 1967. I've used it well all this time and in looking at it recently, I decided it's time for an overhaul and makeover. I want to give it some new life and a new look for the next 39 years. I purchased some mint black paint parts and once they arrive, out it goes for much needed work and makeover. There is nothing wrong in wanting to keep your equipment bright and shiny. But there is also something nice knowing where every ding, dent and scratch came from, and that these all came from making the images you wanted to make.

Enjoy!

[Crasis]

Originally Posted by back alley

would we think it was so 'foolish' to care this much if the scratch was on our new car?

if it were my new zi i would be most unhappy to have a mark on it. of course i know it would still work and mount my zm lenses but i would have a moment of disappointment.

Actually, I'm not sure how to make a car analogy with this one. I'm of the mind that a scratch or dent in a car, it's not worth replacing the door the offending mark is on, or wherever. I guess the closest I could come woul d be someone getting a scratch on the trunk of their car and having the trunk replaced with a trunk with a spoiler on the back?

Actually, a closer one may be a BMW with factory rims. You drove up a curb and messed up the tires, and dented the rims. You get them replaced with new tires and shiny new *INSERT BRAND NAME* rims. I guess that would be the closest. Yeah, so if you went to the car enthusiast forum and asked if the *bling bling* rims will fit on *Brand X* tires, you'd probably get a lot more help.

Then again, not many in the car enthusiast forums would be caught dead with a scratch on their car. They'd get it retouched or repainted instantly.

That may be the issue right there. Are we a car enthusiast forum that cares a lot about cosmetics? We blab on about "user" cameras and oggle people with nice brassing on their cameras, and yet we're worried about a litte scratch? We're a bit schizophrenic as a community, which basically means one thing. We're diverse and come with many opinions.

This means we'll not agree on some things. *shrug*

Originally Posted by SDK

But it is the most expensive piece of non-darkroom equipment I own, and I had it made to look how I wanted it. You can call that foolish, but why should I care about your opinion?

I actually didn't see him calling it foolish. You're right though. You don't have to care about his opinion, or anyone elses who doesn't agree with you. I'm not sure if you understand this but I'll try to explain. Please don't assume that I'm insulting you because I'm not.

Humans have a tendency to assume that other humans with more expensive toys or more material goods like to "flaunt" them. IE. show them off for good reactions. There is an assumption made, based on the language you used to describe your camera; That you were asking for help but at the same time, stating that you can afford such an expensive item and afford to replace entirely a part on it no matter the cost.

Also, you state that you like the markings on the bottom plate of the MP 'better' than the standard ones on the M7. You like the markings better. Actually, you still haven't stated if there were any mechanical problems with the M7 due to the dent.

Do you see why another human being may be thinking that you're simply showing off AS WELL as asking for help? I put AS WELL in capitals to make sure that no one missed it. Like I said, I'm trying to explain to you why I or others may see your original post in not such a good light.

Anyways, arguing on the internet is a pointless endeavour since both sides don't have to care about each others opinions.

If I've managed to insult you with the above, then you lack reading comprehension. This last line, however, is meant to be insulting to those who can't read.