Oooohhh my God....

Don Parsons · 03-11-2006

Had a two-day trip late last week where I got to go to a big name Camera Store and handle a recently overhauled M-4.

Oh my God was it sweet! Felt like a dream in my hands. I've been shooting for 30 years, never had a Leica. I've used Pentax, Nikon, Canon and Digital Canons but have never felt so , um.......rewarded?, as when I lined up those images in the viewfinder.

They want $1250 for it, which I felt was just a shade high.

Whaddya think?

Brian Sweeney · 03-11-2006

If it is in EX+ or better condition, just overhauled, it is "inline" with prices.

You could always offer less, they can just say "no". Exploit the "exodus to digital".

xayraa33 · 03-11-2006

it will not be a shade high in a few years.

MCTuomey · 03-11-2006

"Put your hands up. Hand over your wallet."

Don, the price is not bad, maybe a touch high, but only maybe $100 or so, imho. Maybe. However you price it, I sense that you've been victimized, but not by the seller.

Hah, another soul at the portals of the dark side! Repent now, escape while ye may.

wlewisiii · 03-11-2006

Grab. Run. Giggle...

Worst case, you'll get your investment back...

William

richard_l · 03-11-2006

I don't think $1250 is too much for an M4 in good condition.

aizan · 03-12-2006

only $150 more for a black zeiss ikon...

EmilGil · 03-12-2006

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Originally Posted by aizan

only $150 more for a black zeiss ikon...

I'm absolutely sure that the Ikon is a fabulous piece of equipment and a wonderful tool for photographers, but will you please stop posting these nonsense comments of yours?
Give us facts instead of ranting around like this; "black. zeiss. ikon.", "only $1400" and so on.

aizan · 03-12-2006

you can look them up easily.

http://www.zeissikon.com/
http://www.cameraquest.com/zeiss_ikon_m.TA.htm

if my antipathy toward leica lust bothers people, then i've succeeded in disrupting said lust, which otherwise might have driven the weak to grave errors of judgement.

i am only a messenger. farewell...

aizan · 03-12-2006

nope. it's one of those new-fangled "you could have a better camera than that" things.

aizan · 03-12-2006

fine distinctions, man...they make all the difference. hehehe.

aizan · 03-12-2006

weren't we talking about the discussion? in any case, where did i say or suggest that photographs are unimportant? by placing importance on tools? how do you make the connection?

only in a vacuum can you say that one camera is not better than another, to some degree or another. in the real world, differences make a difference.

what camera do you have? maybe i could recommend the zeiss ikon...

as an aside, the aim is never only *to produce* a photograph. another aim is the photograph itself. lol, i just came up with that one.

aizan · 03-12-2006

because the other person's not listening or because it actually makes no difference if i'm using a 75 'lux wide open and close up on a bessa r2a instead of a .85x m7? or using a 28mm lens on a zeiss ikon versus a .72x leica m, while wearing glasses? or shooting in situations that cause rf spot flare with an m6 instead of an mp?

this is trotted out all the time, and if it were true, people wouldn't be off making all of these different cameras. horses for courses. if the shoe fits wear it! one size does not fit all. this is basically what these threads are about. do these jeans fit me?

aizan · 03-12-2006

yup. and for any given amount of money, it's good to know your options.

aizan · 03-12-2006

noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

egpj · 03-12-2006

I'd probably go with an M3 but if the M4 is "floating your boat" then go for it! Other wise, welcome to the dark side of the force.

Glenn

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Parsons

Had a two-day trip late last week where I got to go to a big name Camera Store and handle a recently overhauled M-4.

Oh my God was it sweet! Felt like a dream in my hands. I've been shooting for 30 years, never had a Leica. I've used Pentax, Nikon, Canon and Digital Canons but have never felt so , um.......rewarded?, as when I lined up those images in the viewfinder.

They want $1250 for it, which I felt was just a shade high.

Whaddya think?

aizan · 03-12-2006

blah. just buy this m4, wait for the lust to subside, regain your senses, sell it for an even $1400, and then pick up a black zeiss ikon.

EmilGil · 03-12-2006

I give up. I just wrote a long answer to Aizans meaningless posts, but I realized the uselessness of it. Obviously, Aizan is only posting here to annoy people, not to present reasonable arguments for his position.

What makes you think that a ZI is the better choice of the two, Aizan?

MCTuomey · 03-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by aizan

blah. just buy this m4, wait for the lust to subside, regain your senses, sell it for an even $1400, and then pick up a black zeiss ikon.

what term might describe an obsessive regard for an object, in this case a zeiss ikon camera?

Ans: zeiss ikon lust

Don Parsons · 03-12-2006

Thanks for your help guys. I was just wondering if the price was inline for the camera.

Unfortunately, my wife just gave me a baby girl a month ago, so the $1,800 +/- the camera/lense combo would set me back is just a little too much right now

I haven't yielded to the dark side yet....but i'm close.

sunsworth · 03-12-2006

"...it actually makes no difference if i'm using a 75 'lux wide open and close up on a bessa r2a instead of a .85x m7?"

The only diference I can think of is that your images are likely to be out of focus using the Bessa ;-)

Steve

harry01562 · 03-12-2006

The individual is the primary factor in this "discussion". Tastes and needs vary, and even change with time or other factors. Ultimately, if a camera feels right, and takes pics that please, that is all we can ask of it.
The choice for one is not the choice for all. Most of us are adults, and aware of the equipment choices that exist. The gratuitous postings that are intended to start useless back & forths are really out of place, IMHO.

Harry

mad_boy · 03-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Parsons

Unfortunately, my wife just gave me a baby girl a month ago, so the $1,800 +/- the camera/lense combo would set me back is just a little too much right now

All of the previous discussions have just become obsolete.

Which is better, the Leica or the Zeis?
Well, it is the baby of couse (and everyone who disagrees has his/her priorities wrong).

Don, if you do have your priorities wrong, I'll trade the baby for an M6

mad_boy

RayPA · 03-12-2006

Quote:

Originally Posted by Don Parsons

... I've been shooting for 30 years, never had a Leica. ...

[[devil on your left shoulder speaking here] you owe it to yourself.

Are there better deals, other options, wiser ways to spend your money? Sure there are. The feel of that M4 will haunt you from here on out. Buy it, use it.

[devil over and out]

.

pbjbike · 03-12-2006

Don, don't take the hi-jacking of your thread personally

. We're a good bunch and you're welcome here whatever you decide, even if you keep on using your SLR's.