TMY at 1600?

Stephanie Brim · 03-05-2006

I have D76 and Rodinal plus Diafine sitting around. I have a roll of TMY that I shot outside just now because it's foggy and I wanted fog shots. Anyone have a clue as to what times I'd use with these developers? I like Rodinal 1:100, but I'm pretty sure that the times would be WAY out there if I used that.

And yes, I realize how late it is in most of the US. I'd like to develop these because I really don't want to go to bed right now and I need *something* to do.

al1966 · 03-05-2006

try this site http://www.digitaltruth.com/devchart.html it should be there

Stephanie Brim · 03-05-2006

It isn't there. I looked...otherwise I wouldn't have asked.

D76 is there, but Rodinal is my first choice...wondering if anyone has any ideas.

al1966 · 03-05-2006

how lond do you normaly develop for? and at what iso? find a film with similar times and iso and use what the table says there or go for these rough times 1 stop push = (x1.5) 2 stop push = (x2.25) 3 stop push = (x4.5) although you may end up over developing or under developing, but hey life is one big gamble.

Stephanie Brim · 03-05-2006

Hrm. I was going to try 1:80 at 32 minutes...I think I'll try it and see if I get good results.

al1966 · 03-05-2006

Good luck and let us know how it turns out.

jonasv · 03-05-2006

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Originally Posted by al1966

how lond do you normaly develop for? and at what iso? find a film with similar times and iso and use what the table says there or go for these rough times 1 stop push = (x1.5) 2 stop push = (x2.25) 3 stop push = (x4.5) although you may end up over developing or under developing, but hey life is one big gamble.

This isn't true for t-grained films I'm afraid..

Stephanie Brim · 03-05-2006

If you know some times, jvx, you're welcome to tell me.

al1966 · 03-05-2006

I didnt know what typr of film it was so I just tok an estimate, I used t grain film twice didnt like it so I only think of old school films

Stephanie Brim · 03-05-2006

With D76 it seems to be 1.5 for a two stop push. If Rodinal is the same way, I should probably develop in 1:80 for 26 or so minutes.

jonasv · 03-05-2006

Sorry, I googled some myself but was unable to find anything

I really didn't like the looks of Tmax the first and last time I used it, so I can't speak from experience. I was just pointing out that the x2,25 time for a 2-stop-push is only true for traditional-grain films.

The way you estimate it, by comparing times with other developers, should give more correct results, I think. But don't take my word on it

good luck!

Stephanie Brim · 03-05-2006

I think I'll try 1:100 at my original plan of 30 minutes...hopefully that will work.

jonasv · 03-05-2006

You could try a short test strip? Of course that is not the most pleasant thing to with an estimated 30-minute development time, and I personally wouldn't bother if it's not an important roll.

Stephanie Brim · 03-06-2006

I'm going for 30 minutes at 1:100. This roll isn't going to make or break me as a photographer.

Stephanie Brim · 03-06-2006

Negs are out of the soup. Went for 32 minutes in 1:100. I think they could have used a bit more...next time I think I'm going to do 36. I like the grain that I got in my test frame (I scanned while still wet so you can see the water spots, heh). I think I'll be doing this again.

Stephanie Brim · 03-06-2006

This was an interesting experiment. The conclusions?

TMY can be pushed in Rodinal. I kind of like the look I got...would be better if I had developed it for just a bit longer...perhaps would have gotten a bit more detail.

kaiyen · 03-06-2006

Stephanie,
Did you use regular agitation? You might have tried reduced agitation on that one.

And, FWIW, any film can be pushed in any developer. The issue is whether you like the results. Personally, you have so little shadow detail I would call that a pretty bad result.

allan

Scarpia · 03-06-2006

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Originally Posted by Stephanie Brim

This was an interesting experiment. The conclusions?

TMY can be pushed in Rodinal. I kind of like the look I got...would be better if I had developed it for just a bit longer...perhaps would have gotten a bit more detail.

An evocative and intriguing photo. I really like it. Well done Stephanie. No need to agonize over what it could have been with another developer or time or temp. Many years ago when I used to develop my own B&W I loved Rodinal for its grain characteristics and contrast.
Kurt M.

Stephanie Brim · 03-06-2006

I kind of like the result and kind of don't.

For one thing, I used 1:100 and basically guessed off the times that were present for 1:80 and then put that against what Digital Truth said to do to push a t-grained film. I think I guessed a bit short. Had I developed for 36-38 minutes instead of 32 I probably would have gotten more shadow detail. Don't know, though. The fog was pretty thick...I couldn't even see for an entire block.

pesphoto · 03-06-2006

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Originally Posted by Scarpia

An evocative and intriguing photo. I really like it. Well done Stephanie. No need to agonize over what it could have been with another developer or time or temp. Many years ago when I used to develop my own B&W I loved Rodinal for its grain characteristics and contrast.
Kurt M.

I agree. Maybe this image doesnt need a ton of shadow detail. I like the feel of it as it is actually. Of course what matters is how you feel about it, not anyone else. Some people only want to see a technically perfect image with detail everywhere, no blown highlights, etc. How is that visually interesting? Depends on the images and the look you want for each situation.

kaiyen · 03-06-2006

Lest I seem overly critical - I also believe that it's all about what works for you, what you want and whether your results meets those needs. I was actually trying to reinforce that idea - you can push with any film/dev combo, it's just a matter of whether you like the results. I don't like your particular results too much, but that's me.

The one thing I will say that I think you did well in this shot was to include the mulitple lights. It allows for the fog to seem like fog, and not just...some kind of fuzzy grey thing. You want something in the foreground and background to give it that feeling. The shadows on the right are just a bit too deep for me. Especially since you got that great light on the wet pavement in the middle. Just a bit to the left...would've been great for me.

allan

Stephanie Brim · 03-06-2006

Yeah, I looked at that, too.

Supposedly going to be foggy again tonight...may try this again. This time no posting until Wednesday, though.