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R3a Questions. Wide Angle lens and Sound.
Old 01-16-2006   #1
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R3a Questions. Wide Angle lens and Sound.

Is there any issue with putting a 25mm lens on this camera? The viewfinders lowest frameline is 40mm. So from what I understand I wouldn't be able to view the entire image area that the lens provides. Would I still be able to correctly focus with a 25mm lens? Is there any risk of the rangefinder becoming out of alignment?


How loud is the shutter? Is it the same as an SLR? Quiter, louder?


I just ordered this camera from cameraquest after doing the research. With the exception of actually seeing/holding the camera. This will be my frist rangefinder. I'm still not entirely sure of how they work. Just the basics. The reason I decided to make the jump is that I tend to carry my camera around with me a lot and carrying an slr is getting to be cumbersome because of it's size. I'm also an avid traveler and will be going away during the summer and don't want to bother with the weight/bulk of a slr. Shutter sound is important to me but I'm accustomed to a Canon Elan 7n and I find it to be very quiet.
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Old 01-16-2006   #2
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How loud is the shutter? Is it the same as an SLR? Quiter, louder?
Doing some browsing around today I came upon this page which you might find interesting:

http://elekm.net/zeiss_ikon/pages/body.html

towards the bottom of the page are some comparative sounds. The R3A isn't listed, but I'm guessing the R is probably pretty close....
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Old 01-16-2006   #3
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How loud is the shutter? Is it the same as an SLR? Quieter, louder?
A bit more quiet than my Leica CL, or about 1/2 less quiet than my Nikon FM2T. The noisiness of the Bessa R3A has been greatly exaggerated by the Leica heads because of their fear of Leica market share loss.
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Old 01-16-2006   #4
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You'll be a lot more comfortable if you read up a bit on how rangefinder cameras operate and how they're different from SLRs. I'm not sure the best place to tell you, though.
[Hey, gang, maybe this is a hint: We should collaborate and write up a "Rangefinder Camera 101"-type document to help first-timers figure out what they're seeing through the finder, why it always looks in focus, what those white lines and the little rectangle in the center are for, etc.]
So, let us work on that. Meanwhile, a couple of quick answers:

-- You won't have any problem using a 25mm lens or focusing it accurately. On an RF camera, using the rangefinder is completely independent of using the viewfinder, except that you look at them through the same eyepiece -- the rangefinder is always equally accurate no matter what lens you put on.

As you note, though, the widest frameline is 40mm, which isn't as wide as your lens -- so you won't see as much through the viewfinder as you'll get in the picture. Normally the fix for this is to buy a little 25mm auxiliary viewfinder that goes in the accessory shoe on the camera top. The auxiliary finder shows the same field of view as a 25mm lens, so you'll be able to predict what's in the picture more accurately.

Yeah, having to have a separate viewfinder for every wide-angle lens is kind of a nuisance, but it's got some advantages, too, such as the fact that the view is super-bright and clear. And if you want to size up picture-taking angles without looking like a geek by walking around with a camera up to your eye, you can slide off the finder, carry it in your hand, and look through it to preview possible shots, the way movie directors do.

-- It's possible for a rangefinder to go out of alignment, just as it's possible for the focusing screen or reflex mirror on an SLR to go out of alignment. This is more likely to happen if the camera gets banged around a lot or is subjected to intense vibration. You'll read a lot on this site from people who have had them go out of alignment. That's really an exception, though -- most people have no problems with this.

If you want to verify it before an important picture-taking session, an easy quick check is to set the lens to infinity focus and look through the rangefinder at something with strong vertical lines, such as a TV tower, that's at least six blocks away (preferably more.) If the vertical lines in the rangefinder patch line up correctly at infinity, the rangefinder should be fine for closer distances too.

If it ever does go out, CameraQuest will realign it for you as long as your camera is under warranty. If it happens after the warranty expires, it's still inexpensive to fix -- Cosina designed in an external adjustment port (under the accessory shoe) so an "in-the-know" repair technician can touch up the RF in a couple of minutes.

-- Shutter noise: Your Elan 7 is a pretty quiet camera; you may think the Bessa sounds a little "sharper." That's mostly because the body is smaller, so there's less bulk to absorb the sound of the shutter. However, because the Bessa has fewer moving parts, the noise it makes doesn't last as long as the noise an SLR makes. Any camera will be audible in very quiet situations, and what kind of noise is "intrusive" is very much a matter of personal perception: one person may find a Bessa really distracting and not notice an Elan at all, while with the next person it may be the other way around. I don't think it's a big thing to worry about.

Be sure to come back and ask more questions if you want to know more about your camera or about rangefinder photography in general. There's a lot of good info on the CameraQuest website too. Good luck, and welcome!
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not sure which 25 you ordered.

the Voigtlander 25/4 is a scale focus lens, which means it is not rangefinder coupled. You match the lens distance scale to the aproximate distance of your subject. It sounds more difficult than it is to get sharp shots. the Zeiss 25/2.8 is rangefinder coupled, so you use the rangefinder to focus the distance.

with either 25 you frame the shot with the accessory viewfinder.

the R3A sounds like a quiet SLR to me. not as quiet as a Leica, but not super loud either. Especially in the wides, you are likely to find your R3A shots sharper than the Canon EOS shots. Wides are probably the major weak point of the EOS lens lineup.

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