Black Zeiss Ikon ZM

[eeyore]

Hi, just wondering if anyone has heard any definitive plans regarding a black version of the ZM?

I heard from a good source that the black one is the one to hold out for, though I do prefer silver because black infers professional.

[aizan]

you mean "implies".

I sit corrected.

[aizan]

you mean "stand corrected".

No, I'm sitting in front of my computer screen.

[aizan]

oh, ok.

back to the original question. yes, there will be a black paint zeiss ikon.

[Stephan]

Originally Posted by aizan

oh, ok.

back to the original question. yes, there will be a black paint zeiss ikon.

Black paint like the a la carte Leica's or anodised black ? Black paint would be nice

[Socke]

black paint, it's not easy to anodyse magnesium

[smiling gecko]

go frank, go !!!

i concur with your usage of 'infers' instead of 'implies'...

merriam-webster on-line defintion of 'infer' :

One entry found for infer.
Main Entry: in·fer
Pronunciation: in-'f&r
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): in·ferred; in·fer·ring
Etymology: Middle French or Latin; Middle French inferer, from Latin inferre, literally, to carry or bring into, from in- + ferre to carry -- more at BEAR
transitive senses
1 : to derive as a conclusion from facts or premises <we see smoke and infer fire -- L. A. White> -- compare IMPLY
2 : GUESS, SURMISE <your letter... allows me to infer that you are as well as ever -- O. W. Holmes died 1935>
3 a : to involve as a normal outcome of thought b : to point out : INDICATE <this doth infer the zeal I had to see him -- Shakespeare> <another survey... infers that two-thirds of all present computer installations are not paying for themselves -- H. R. Chellman>
4 : SUGGEST, HINT <are you inferring I'm incompetent?>
intransitive senses : to draw inferences <men... have observed, inferred, and reasoned... to all kinds of results -- John Dewey>
- in·fer·able also in·fer·ri·ble /in-'f&r-&-b&l/ adjective
- in·fer·rer /-'f&r-&r/ noun
synonyms INFER, DEDUCE, CONCLUDE, JUDGE, GATHER

...and then there is the definition for 'imply':

One entry found for imply.
Main Entry: im·ply
Pronunciation: im-'plI
Function: transitive verb
Inflected Form(s): im·plied; im·ply·ing
Etymology: Middle English emplien, from Middle French emplier, from Latin implicare
1 obsolete : ENFOLD, ENTWINE
2 : to involve or indicate by inference, association, or necessary consequence rather than by direct statement <rights imply obligations>
3 : to contain potentially
4 : to express indirectly <his silence implied consent>
synonym see SUGGEST
usage see INFER

...so, there it is...i'm not trying to bug you , alzan, so please don't call out an entomologist...maybe an etymologist would be better...this is where i remind myself "a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing"...not to be too serious about this...time for me to " hit the silk" and get out of here...adieu
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Okey-dokey. Thanks for the Angly lesson!

[bobofish]

And now for a real answer:

It is rumored to be coming out in January or February.
It's slightly possible that it will be out earlier, and it is quite likely that it will be out later; use your imagination to figure out the actual timeline, and you'll still probablly be off by a few weeks.

I say Valentine's Day.

I should add that they're kindof waiting for the "limited edition" silver ones to sell out, before they release the black ones.

[aizan]

look at the synonyms listed!

[James Burton]

Originally Posted by Socke

black paint, it's not easy to anodyse magnesium

Hmmm if I remember correctly plain magnesium burns really easily. Perhaps it's a magnesium/aluminium alloy (like car wheels) - which would anodise really well.

James

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by aizan

look at the synonyms listed!

Aizan is correct in this case. I have a similar pet peeve with the frequent use & misuse of imply/infer by even otherwise highly educated people. However, I usually bite my tongue. Ouch!

Now I'm going to look up the meaning of the word: "pedantic."

Cheers,
Huck

[Palaeoboy]

The black is definately nice but I think traditional chrome would be the one I go for. I hope the chrome isnt discontinued when the black comes out.

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by James Burton

Hmmm if I remember correctly plain magnesium burns really easily. Perhaps it's a magnesium/aluminium alloy (like car wheels) - which would anodise really well.

James

Hasselblad & Zeiss don't clarify whether it is an alloy, but I have to think that it is. Magnesium has only come into widespread use for a wide variety of manufacturing purposes with the development of such alloys.

They similarly state that the die-cast chasis is "aluminum," but again I would have to think that they are referring to an aluminum alloy such as is used by Leica, Nikon, etc. for their die-cast chasis (sic?). Anyone know how to spell the plural of chasis?

Huck

[kbg32]

Black is beautiful.

[leafy]

Originally Posted by kbg32

Black is beautiful.

Are they serious about the all dark logo? Looks really strange to me.

[Jason_K]

Mr. Gandy, at site sponsor CameraQuest, is taking advance orders for the black model.

http://cameraquest.com/ZM%20lenses.htm

[aizan]

me? a pedant?

[Huck Finn]

Originally Posted by aizan

me? a pedant?

Actually, Aizan, I was talking about me. But if the shoe fits . . .

Cheers,
Huck

[KoNickon]

Mr. Gandy indicates the "chrome" is actually silver paint, and he doesn't think it'll look very good (or wear attractively). I understand the camera to be made of a magnesium alloy. If that's so, then they could have left it unpainted -- my GR1 is of a mag. alloy as well and handsome in the (unpainted) silver finish. But if the silver paint wears off to a silver magnesium, that should look OK, I think.

I guess I don't understand the attraction of black paint. Yes, it looks great on certain cameras, but it doesn't wear well at all. I know lots of people love the "brassy" look, but I'm not one of them. I think I'd rather have a camera finish that doesn't show the wear. Does a brassy black finish camera hold its value better than a chrome finish version that doesn't show the wear (assuming a similar number of black and chrome cameras made)?

[jano]

Why is paint better than anodized?

[SolaresLarrave]

Of course, in the past, professional photogs used to paint their cameras black. Hence the tradition.