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Canon f-1n or Nikon F3HP?
Old 12-21-2012   #1
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Canon f-1n or Nikon F3HP?

I am being offered one of these two. I love them both, but I can afford only one. Which one should I go for?
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Old 12-21-2012   #2
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Do you have any FD or F lenses?
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I really like the Canon F1N because everybody has a Nikon. I especially like it because the lenses are cheaper than nikon lenses. And some would argue Canon lenses are better. They are however not compatible with there digital cameras. I just shoot film anyway.
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The F1 is one of the best looking cameras IMHO, so that's a point in the plus column. I also think it's a bit larger than the F3, to me also a plus. I've had both but never warmed to the F3 so I kept the Canon (even though I shoot Nikon).
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I do not know the Canon, I know the Nikon, and frankly, it is difficult to imagine better value for money nowaydays. HOWEVER, being rather allergic to Canon, I have thought myself to get the F1, because with an adapter, you can shoot about any lens on it, and when you start getting into a specialized way of thinking, this makes your life a lot easier, and also cheaper. In order NOT to buy the Canon, I ended up buying, Nikon, Leica R, Contax, Pentax, Minolta and Olympus systems. It could have been WAY cheaper to learn to like Canons...
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I have a Canon F-1n and I really like it.

I have seen some very low prices on the F3 bodies recently but not for the Canon f-1n unfortunately. People tend to hold on to the Canon for some reason and I have an idea why.

In fact I would sell an M Leica before I would sell this Canon SLR.

Lenses are low priced and plentiful to buy now and top notch performers.
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i had the canon and a nikon f2 also...loved the canon much more.
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Two fantastic cameras. I'd get both given what they'll cost, especially compared to what the did cost when new.
If I had to choose one - it'd likely be the F1N.
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A vote for the F1. I had one years ago and it served me well.
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Both are excellent cameras and you can't go wrong no matter what you choose.

If you get the chance, try both before deciding. It's often the little things (how it feels in your hands) that mean the most when buying a camera.

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That's it! I will go for the F1N! You have convinced me! I also love its looks and its weight. I have tried both, and it seems that the F1n fell closer to my likes.

Thank you very much for helping me get out of this. I have been giving it my thoughts for almost a month!
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Old 12-21-2012   #12
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The Nikon F3hp is probably a newer model. Personally, I prefer the Nikon lenses over the Canon series. Nikon lenses are plentiful. the 105mm f2.5 is legendary.
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You need Canon 1v.

I love my f1n but fd super lenses (1.2, 1.4) are very hard to come by, rest fd lenses are inexpensive but they are not living up to the eos system standard.
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In 1969, I bought a Nikon F and my friend bought a Canon FT-QL. Over the years we both acquired a bunch more bodies and lenses. Never saw any significant difference between the quality of the photos that either of these camera systems produced. Some lenses in one were slightly better or worse than their equivalent in the other. Some bodies in one had one or two features, more or less, than the equivalent in the other.

... Today I can still take my 1969-1976 Nikon lenses and fit them onto a D800.

... Today he is still whinging about the fact that Canon changed the lens mount in the late 1980s.

PS: Neither of us use Nikon or Canon as our primary cameras any more anyway. ;-)

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The earlier Canon F-1n and the later F-1N are two different cameras. Both awesome pieces of equipment, but years apart. Is the one offered a small 'n' or a capitol 'N' camera?
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Canon F-1 little n with big 1.2/85


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And both are working perfectly? Maybe try a roll of film with each one if possible.

Since you "love both"... do you own FD and F lenses?
I have two FD lenses and the F1N that I am being offered comes with a 50mm 1.4.
On the Nikon side I have only one AF lens that came with my D90.
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Old 12-21-2012   #19
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The standard RFF answer to such questions is: get both.
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I have both cameras, the Canon is a better value, particularly because the FD lenses are so cheaply priced nowadays. Keep in mind that the F1's meter uses an obsolete MR9 battery. I use Wein cells from eBay. Another thing to watch for is that sometimes the shutter malfunctions at the higher speeds, I have come across a couple of old F1 cameras with this problem. The best lens for this camera is the 35mm f/2 FD concave lens. Canon made several 35/2 lenses, but the early concave lenses with the chrome nose or first SSC versions are the best. I also like the 20mm f/2.8.

The Nikon F3 is a bullet-proof camera, and is far more advanced than the Canon F1. I prefer the finder on the F3HP, and the meter is also better than on the Canon. I think Nikkor lenses are garden-variety, very good, but not spectacular. I like the 20mm f/2.8, 28mm f/2.8 AIS, and the 50mm f/1.2, as well as the 105mm /2.5 lens already mentioned. I have several other lenses, but I don't really use them.

Either camera would be a great choice, choose the one which appeals to you,
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Canon lenses focus in the same direction as Leica lenses.
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I've owned both and feel the Canon was the better camera.


Apparently it was the first NC machined camera all the gears were laser welded and the shutter works without batteries from 1/90-1/2000
The model I had had the AE finder and when you put a winder on it it became a multi exposure mode camera.
You could change screens and meter patterns, and the SPD meter went down to -1EV with 100ASA film.
It was probably the most advanced pro camera of it's day with a huge system
The FD lenses were every bit as good as the Nikons, my faves being the 24mm ƒ1,4L the 85mm ƒ1,8 and the underrated and super cheap 100mm ƒ2,8 which is as good as the Nikon 105mm (which I currently own)
I wish I hadn't sold mine but traded it for digital D30 boy how daft!
I now own a Nikon F2 both Nikon and Canon are excellent I'm sure if you pick either you will be happy–just I'd have the Canon.
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The Nikon F3hp is probably a newer model. Personally, I prefer the Nikon lenses over the Canon series. Nikon lenses are plentiful. the 105mm f2.5 is legendary.
This.

My F3hp has served me faithfully through years of work and pleasure shooting and is still going strong and my 105/2.5 is Legen.....wait for it......DARY!
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Both are amazing, just as everyone has said BUT there are a very few lenses that exist in the Canon stable that do not in the Nikon one.
I say get the Canon if only for the ability to mount the FD 24mm f/1.4 SSC or L lens. They are essentially the same with aspherics and flourite but the L designation came at a later date. The 24/1.4 is one of those lenses that you buy and never ever sell because it's so special. Nikon has the 28mm f/1.4 AFD ED and it sells now for twice as much as it did when new. The Canon 24/1.4 usually sells for just under $1000 USD while the Nikon 28/1.4 can hit $2500 all day long for a well used lens.
Both are amazing cameras and if you have a Nikon digital you can use Nikon F, Ai and AiS lenses on it as well as all the autofocus lenses, so that's also a consideration. Not so for Canon since they changed the mount and lens registration when they moved to the EOS system.
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I don't know if such an item currently exists, but I would not be surprised to see in the near future: a Canon FD to Leica M adapter. Then consider the possibilities with the soon to be available Leica M and its liveview and/or EVF.
I suppose you could use the Canon "B" adapter to get to LTM then a LTM/M adapter. I never tried it because there's no rangefinder coupling when using the B adapter. EVF could be very interesting with this combo, though.
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Apparently it was the first NC machined camera
Now that is somewhat unlikely as a attribute for a 1981 camera, more than a decade after CNC had become a regular technology in consumer goods production. All of the affordable, advanced small consumer SLRs from the seventies used CNC machining in the production - that is one of the reasons they could drop price and size while adding features. If any, it may have been the first to pass some particular CNC milestone like cutting from a solid block (rather than a cast raw body), cutting from some particular alloy or doing all steps on a single machine.

My guess would be that Zeiss Ikon were first to use CNC on their late cameras, as by the late sixties Zeiss as a whole was more into CNC equipment than optics - throughout the seventies the Zeiss subsidiary (and former shutter maker) Prontor was the leading CNC machinery supplier world wide...
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I am surprised by the overwhelming support for the Canon. I am used to seeing people favoring the Nikon.

In my case, I sold some Nikkor lenses, and I stuck with the FD line for about 20 years. The F1N is. Verywell built camera, with lot of accessories and three different meyering patterns, depending on the screen installed. I went with the Canon since the Nikon did not have a spotmeter while the F1N had this option. These days, and if you are starting new, without having lenses, either of the two cameras, Nikon or Canon, is a bargain.


Note that the F1N differs from the F1 or the F1n. The F1 and the F1n are mechanical, and I know that the F1n has mirror lock-up and an easier to use meter button tjan the F1.

The F1N is very different.
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Almost 30 years carrying this set around the world, no technical issues so far. It's built like a tank, it's a joy to use. FD glass is fantastic and still available at fair prices. This is one piece of equipment I can't imagine to get rid of...




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The only issue I have with Canon FD lenses is the use of Fluorite in some "L"lenses, extremly sensitive to humidity.
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Now that is somewhat unlikely as a attribute for a 1981 camera, more than a decade after CNC had become a regular technology in consumer goods production. All of the affordable, advanced small consumer SLRs from the seventies used CNC machining in the production - that is one of the reasons they could drop price and size while adding features. If any, it may have been the first to pass some particular CNC milestone like cutting from a solid block (rather than a cast raw body), cutting from some particular alloy or doing all steps on a single machine.

My guess would be that Zeiss Ikon were first to use CNC on their late cameras, as by the late sixties Zeiss as a whole was more into CNC equipment than optics - throughout the seventies the Zeiss subsidiary (and former shutter maker) Prontor was the leading CNC machinery supplier world wide...
Just going by what they said in their brochure (pictured under the camera in my shot) First camera to be completely made by CNC lathes?
Companies do this all the time–I can't verify it.
They also sais it was laser welded and laser focusing screens as a first–can't verify that either.
The screen was the brightest I've seen the prism wouldn't black out at any aperture.
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I've still got a couple of New F1s bought them new-ish when I was a student 20 odd years ago still going strong, I've had an F3 in the past and never really liked it so if I had to choose between the two it would be the canon. I know if I had to choose a camera from that era and I know its not really an option for you but I would go for either an F4 or a Eos 1v.
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And here we go! I have received my F1N, and it has some serious issue With a fresh battery it had fired once. Now, when I have the battery in it does not fire. When I take it out it does (I guess mechanically).
Blame my bad luck, or I am doing things wrong?
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And here we go! I have received my F1N, and it has some serious issue With a fresh battery it had fired once. Now, when I have the battery in it does not fire. When I take it out it does (I guess mechanically).
Blame my bad luck, or I am doing things wrong?
Film in it? With motor attached the F1N will wind to frame 0 without having to fire blank frames, IIRC - and most cameras that do that won't fire with no film loaded. Without batteries it fires the short times mechanically, and there that mechanism probably would not apply.
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I have a Nikon F3, and it is a beautiful, easy to use, durable camera. I have never liked Nikon's lenses for black and white work, however. I have always wanted a Canon F1N, but the silly prices they command keep me from getting one. On Ebay they go for over $300 for ones that are beat to hell. My F3 costs $200 in near perfect condition! Why is the Canon, a camera from a dead system that is not at all rare, so high priced?
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I have both. (3x F3) I re bought an F1n recently as it is a very worthy camera, but I feel more comfortable with the F3 because of my long history with Nikon cameras.
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I have used my F1N for many years, with the T90 as the back-up camera. I use the MD and battery cord to power the F1N in very old weather. I may have ten screens for it, with some being treated by Maxwell for extra brightness. I have the 6x speedfinder for it.
It makes using the F1N a charm.

I use my FD lenses, including the 500/4.5L and the 85/1.2L, which are two of the best FD lenses.
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Film in it? With motor attached the F1N will wind to frame 0 without having to fire blank frames, IIRC - and most cameras that do that won't fire with no film loaded. Without batteries it fires the short times mechanically, and there that mechanism probably would not apply.
Unfortunately I do not have a winder with it. It fired once, but now it just stays won't fire when I put a fresh battery in it. It meters perfectly, but it does not fire. I have it with the AE Prism.
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Unfortunately I do not have a winder with it. It fired once, but now it just stays won't fire when I put a fresh battery in it. It meters perfectly, but it does not fire. I have it with the AE Prism.

Download the instruction manual and have a look at it. As the saying goes: "when all else fails, read the directions". There are several reasons why the camera may not fire; make sure you know what are doing. If it still won't work, return it and get the Nikon.
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Unfortunately I do not have a winder with it. It fired once, but now it just stays won't fire when I put a fresh battery in it. It meters perfectly, but it does not fire. I have it with the AE Prism.
My F1N AE meter (bottom) is fine, shutter priority meter needle doesn't bounce up even with a new battery. I took it to a reputable service shop for free estimate, they can't fix it because they either don't have parts no more or cost too much to repair.
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The needle moves and shows correct information, but when it comes to fire the shutter... Bam! Nothing happens. I thought I had jammed the camera by trying to set the lens to A, but after removing it no luck!
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