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Old 10-26-2012   #41
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Back to the DP2M

some more foibles:

*No way to view monochrome on the LCD when shooting in RAW mode. Monochrome view is available only when shooting exclusively in jpeg--now what's the point of that?

*Since there is an external VF, it would be nice to have a way to turn the LCD off completely (with a hard button toggle to turn it back on).
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*Since there is an external VF, it would be nice to have a way to turn the LCD off completely (with a hard button toggle to turn it back on).
U can cycle thru the LCD display modes. There are two modes that are usefull for using the vf.
- info only similar to Fuji xp1 style default
- no LCD active at all

On your other point. I agree w/ the monochrome in jpg only issue.. I use it all the time on the Fuji.

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U can cycle thru the LCD display modes. There are two modes that are usefull for using the vf.
- info only similar to Fuji xp1 style default
- no LCD active at all
Where do you find "no LCD active at all"?
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Where do you find "no LCD active at all"?
I think all digital non-SLR cameras have this LCD mode, from ancient times - don't they? At least all my relics workd thus way, DP1 including. LCD wakes up when settings are changed, though.
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I think all digital non-SLR cameras have this LCD mode, from ancient times - don't they? At least all my relics workd thus way, DP1 including. LCD wakes up when settings are changed, though.
Maybe the problem is that we need to define terms? I'm talking about having the LCD off during shooting, not during review.



The only LCD-related settings on my DP2M are called "LCD Brightness" and "LCD Off". The former does not allow the LCD to be turned off completely during shooting, only dimmed. The latter only covers automatic shut-off time, the lowest figure being 10 seconds. It does not allow the LCD to be turned off during shooting.

I have updated to the latest firmware.
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Where do you find "no LCD active at all"?
Bottom right button can be used to cycle thru all the view modes, one press at a time.
- Normal LCD
- normal w/ histogram
- LCD w/ just af bracket and nothing else
- LCD off
- LCD in info only mode

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Follow up on why I was against 21

Given the 28 (19) is a 2.8 as well and is not in the same class as the 45 equiv in terms of iq but still a very good lens. My thinking was a 21 would most likely need to be a f4 or 5.6 lens in order to have good iq w/o an outrageous price point. A 24 has a better chance at keeping the cost reasonable and may be able to keep it at f2.8, f4 at worst.

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Bottom right button can be used to cycle thru all the view modes, one press at a time.
- Normal LCD
- normal w/ histogram
- LCD w/ just af bracket and nothing else
- LCD off
- LCD in info only mode

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Brilliantt!!
Gary, you da man!
Although I am quite proficient at French (yet still less so than at Chinese and Japanese), I haven't spent the time to learn the photography-related vocabulary in French (the language in which the manual was shipped).
This is a big help.
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No problem.. Have fun

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Given the 28 (19) is a 2.8 as well and is not in the same class as the 45 equiv in terms of iq but still a very good lens. My thinking was a 21 would most likely need to be a f4 or 5.6 lens in order to have good iq w/o an outrageous price point. A 24 has a better chance at keeping the cost reasonable and may be able to keep it at f2.8, f4 at worst.

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f/4 would be fine for my needs. When I use a 21 or 24 on film, it is either the ZM C Biogon, maximum opening f/4.5, or the Leica Elmar M 24, opening of f/3.8. And that's on Velvia 50.

I could live with a DP1M Super Wide at 21/4 efov.
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Maybe the problem is that we need to define terms? I'm talking about having the LCD off during shooting, not during review.
No problem at all - I were talking about same button Garry describes, with something similar to display on it. I assure you this thing exists since 3mpix digicams.

I think it's kind of pointless to switch off LCD during review, isn't it?
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No problem at all - I were talking about same button Garry describes, with something similar to display on it. I assure you this thing exists since 3mpix digicams.

I think it's kind of pointless to switch off LCD during review, isn't it?


I've been mostly film until recently.
My Fuji F20 doesn't have this feature
And with the M8 and R-D1, it was obvious.

Kudos to having you guys around!
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Just in case - another firmware update from sigma
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Just in case - another firmware update from sigma

http://www.rangefinderforum.com/foru...74&postcount=5

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Last sample :D
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Last sample :D

Picture taken at f5.6 iso 200. Another raw converted to tiff 16. Run thru my normal aperture default script.



And 100% crop



As always real tiff looks better then the Flickr jpg.

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My flight into NYC keeps getting delayed, so my purchase of the DP2m keeps getting delayed. I'm living vicariously through you guys. Thanks.
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My flight into NYC keeps getting delayed, so my purchase of the DP2m keeps getting delayed. I'm living vicariously through you guys. Thanks.
Given the mess from hurricane sandy, be safe... Did u guys make it back to US yet or sitting at Norita?

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Given the mess from hurricane sandy, be safe... Did u guys make it back to US yet or sitting at Norita?

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No, I'm still in Osaka at my girlfriends parents house. Nice weather here. Just stressed about getting back otherwise. Flight keeps getting delayed, which is obviously the smart thing for them to do. I'm sure JFK isn't accepting traffic. Keep those dp2m photos coming.
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A lot of flight to east coast got cancelled today from sfo.. I posted some on the monochrome DP Merrill thread as well...

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Added dp1m as well
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Added dp1m as well

I decided that I like the dp2m enough to add the dp1m as well

Btw I tried batch processing 7 Raws to tiff 16, it worked fine w/o crashing. Still importing to Aperture where I do all my real work.
The 19 is not as good as the 30 at the edges, but it is still really good.. Anyway u can judge for yourself. As usual tiff 16 run thru my default aperture script...

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Full size at same distance from wall as the shot from dp2m. 100% crops to follow.



Ps this was taken at f5.6..same as the dp2m shot.

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Well, it looks like I finally get home on Saturday. That means a trip to either b&h or adorama (if open) to get the dp2 Merrill. Excited.
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Glad to hear u gonna get back.. Good luck
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Ok, my initial impressions (which could be totally wrong) based on a "roll of film" (36 exposures) I made today.

Dynamic range appears to dwindle quickly as ISO goes up. Quicker than any of my other cameras. I only went as high as ISO 800.

Converted B&W files look really good.

Sometimes it is too sharp... minute details get funky in small photos, they look great at 100%.

SPP sucks. Just too minimal for my taste. TIFF it will be for me.

Not a camera for chimpers due to long write times (which I happen to be when I'm doing still life).

Wow, the battery dies quick!

AF is better than I expected... but I wasn't expecting much.
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Think of one battery equals a 72 shot roll before u go out shooting and then bring an extra one just in case. I am averaging around 96 shots per charge. A little longer if I don't chimp.. I current leave LCD on always and have a ovf for times I need to hold it more stead for shot.

Yep basically a 100-400 iso camera. At 100 to 200 I am not sure there would be very many cameras that can beat it.

Now u know why the monochrome thread was stared

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Well, it sounds like we are all pretty much on the same page then!
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I may need to buy a third battery... since I like chimping. I do see that this camera will be worth the hassle though. Too bad it is now winter and it is dark when I leave for work and dark when I come home. I had to photograph during lunch today just to use the camera.
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I'm back. It was pea soup weather most of the time, not really great for shooting, but some images from that time are almost as satisfying as the vacation itself.

Glad to see the interest is continuing/growing.

A very strange thing: MF allows focusing past infinity. What is the point of this "feature"?

I was using a CV minifinder, so it is great to come back home and find the VF-21 waiting for me. Very compact size, and as a backpacker I really appreciate the potential dual use as a magnifier emergency fire starter!

I'll post some photos to the image threads after I get back on top of work.
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Pea soup weather...yes, true for NYC too.
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Pea soup weather...yes, true for NYC too.
I experimented with deliberately using high ISO to capture the mood. Will play around with it this weekend and report back if anything passes muster.
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I experimented with deliberately using high ISO to capture the mood. Will play around with it this weekend and report back if anything passes muster.
I found too much banding at high ISOs... but I was also using it in situations that were rough for its limited dynamic range at high ISOs. I'm thinking this is a sunny day camera for me (like my leica) and I'll use my Fuji for high ISO.
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I found too much banding at high ISOs... but I was also using it in situations that were rough for its limited dynamic range at high ISOs. I'm thinking this is a sunny day camera for me (like my leica) and I'll use my Fuji for high ISO.
Yep... Sunny days or put it on a tripod and set it for timer releaee. Iso 400 is the max for normal color work.

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Iso 400 is the max for normal color work.
I never thought I'd use a camera that had worse high ISO than my Leica M8, but the Sigma does. I hope it pays off in the low ISO range (like Leica does) eventually. Looks like good weather in NYC this weekend, so I'll use the Sigma for extensive amounts of time finally.
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I never thought I'd use a camera that had worse high ISO than my Leica M8, but the Sigma does.


Hahaha! Know whatcha mean!

Just got some new batteries rated at 1500mAh. Charged the first one up and used it for an incredible-by-DP2M-standards 270 shots -- and I did a lot of focusing and refocusing, chimping, the whole deal. Wow!
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Hahaha! Know whatcha mean!

Just got some new batteries rated at 1500mAh. Charged the first one up and used it for an incredible-by-DP2M-standards 270 shots -- and I did a lot of focusing and refocusing, chimping, the whole deal. Wow!
Which battery? I'd like to buy one.

More initial impressions. This camera can be too sharp... especially in very contrasty scenes. Also, the dynamic range feels worse than all of my other cameras (fuji X series and Leica M8). You really have to be careful with this camera in order to get the best out of it. Meter seems very sensitive too. Haven't figured out the best metering mode.
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Also, the dynamic range feels worse than all of my other cameras (fuji X series and Leica M8). You really have to be careful with this camera in order to get the best out of it. Meter seems very sensitive too. Haven't figured out the best metering mode.
I have been using the exposure compensation more on this camera then any other to dial in the exposure better. Sometimes I use matrix eval other times I have had to go to spot. Have not tried average yet. But once I get the raw converted, my standard tools in aperture so far have been good enough in most cases to get the picture where I want it.

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Yeah Gary, I suppose it is me just having to learn the camera. It was my first real day out with the camera. Also, I may have to do a hybrid SPP / Lightroom pp workflow. I've been just converting as is in SPP and doing everything in LR. Perhaps it would be beneficial to spend a little time in SPP and then export to Tiff.

For those who are exporting to TIFF to work in another raw processor, what are your export settings?
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