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whoa... NEW 6x12 folder... belair
Old 10-18-2012   #1
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whoa... NEW 6x12 folder... belair

http://microsites.lomography.com/belair/
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Cool concept... like the multiformat options.
But I'm not liking the shutter release position. A cable release type would have been better. The wire on the side of the camera looks sketchy. And the lenses are fit for the price I suppose, a bit weak.
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Old 10-18-2012   #3
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ARGHHHHH I WANT ONE!!!!!!!!
I bet the build quality is rubbish. Id like to handle one before I buy really with this but I really want one based on the photos, the few no 'lomo' style shots look great.
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Don't care about the build quality.
6x12 and interchangeable lenses?
I'm sold!
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I like the idea too. My problem is the 'lomography' part of it. I am not sure what to expect from the lens(es) sharpness-wise.

EDIT: I have just checked out the images on the bottom. Indeed - no need to worry about the image quality. This camera seems to have been made for ... well ... lomography

Now - where is that folding bessa 6x12 with 80/4.5 lens ?

EDIT-2: OK, one should not expect too much for €300. Still - kudos to them - it burns 120 film after all
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Preorder price of 175€...
Yes Matus, you're really expecting too much.

BUT, my Lomography cameras, especially my LC-W had much better IQ than those "hipsteristic" sample shots Lomo posted.
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They are not very forthcoming on details. No info on the lens, what aperture, can it be selected or is it a fixed aperture lens?
Also don't care for electronic control of shutter speed, would rather have manual selection. My guess is that it is a plastic, 2 element lens with a fixed f11 aperture. Might as well get their other all plastic 120 pano Holga.
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I think I saw f1.8-16 somewhere on the info..
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Looks to take its design clues from the original 6x9cm Plaubel Makina. If the lens is all soft anyway, I'd rather take the classic Makina, I think. 6x12 is cool though.
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I think I saw f1.8-16 somewhere on the info..
It is : f/8 - f/16 , both lenses
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I think I saw f1.8-16 somewhere on the info..
f/8 - f/16 for both lenses.
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They are not very forthcoming on details. No info on the lens, what aperture, can it be selected or is it a fixed aperture lens?
Also don't care for electronic control of shutter speed, would rather have manual selection. My guess is that it is a plastic, 2 element lens with a fixed f11 aperture. Might as well get their other all plastic 120 pano Holga.
On lens barrel you see the infinity, 3m, 1.5m and 1m marks, and f/8, f/16 aperture settings.
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Yeah. f8 is not the deal killer for me. Its the Lomo part. They are fun, but too fun for me, if I cant count on my camera then I wont shoot with it.

Prolly gonna get it from aftermarket if the images look nice.
Awesome idea still....
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"On the lens barrel you see....."

Lomo needs to hire someone who can write a spec sheet.
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Old 10-18-2012   #15
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O yeah, guess I was being optimistic, meant to write 8, not sure how 1.8 got there..

Not really interested in a "lomo" look.. o well, sounded good..
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I made a fixed focus length 6x12 (truthfully closer to 6x14) from a Holga 120 PAN and a 90mm Grandagon. It is a little cumbersome, but the results are fine. I typically crop a bit to 6x17.


Dry Tortugas 2 by smeitner300, on Flickr
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Old 10-18-2012   #17
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steve, i was just about to post that i did the exact same thing! or am in the process of doing right now with a graflex optar 90/6.8! it should be done in a couple weeks, camera $100, lens $50 plus probsbly another $100 labor...should be smahsing if your wonderful result is duplicated!
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I made a fixed focus length 6x12 (truthfully closer to 6x14) from a Holga 120 PAN and a 90mm Grandagon. It is a little cumbersome, but the results are fine. I typically crop a bit to 6x17.


Dry Tortugas 2 by smeitner300, on Flickr
I *like* this .
And, whatever the body, I'm one who would mount a 'non-special-effects' lens. But whatever one's preference, the more in the market for 120 the better .
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Old 10-18-2012   #19
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I hope they sell heaps of them so the hipsters can burn 120 film at twice the normal rate. Consumption will keep film alive and well ... not good intentions.
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Hmmm....
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Hmmm....

Presuming that it is, or could be made light-tight, one would have to be seriously lacking in creativity or DIY talent to not be able to figure a way to put some serious lenses on the front of this camera.

I'm thinking the price is worth the entry fee to get a base camera that one could upgrade substantially.

I can justify that price for a base camera to work with. After all, I've spent more money for many used MF and folding cameras that had little potential for becoming more than they were designed to be.

I'm following this.....
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Old 10-18-2012   #21
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Here's a picture of the creation. If you look carefully, it has a bit of front tilt built in. I call it the Holgon...or was that the Grandga...?
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Lomophotography. No thanks.
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Old 10-18-2012   #23
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I've been in the market for an (relatively) inexpensive 6x6 camera. It's almost inexpensive enough at the sale price, but I wouldn't get it a full price. And with interchangeable lenses, it may be possible to adapt better lenses to this camera.

Seems to me that they took design cues from the Polaroid Land 100-400 series.

Lomo needs a better web designer. You have to individually click each right arrow to see the various specs.
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I've been in the market for an (relatively) inexpensive 6x6 .
OT, i just got a mamiya 6 folder. coupled RF, great lens, inexpensive, sunny 16 metering. great cheap intro to6x6.
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Someone buy one and post a review saying it's junk. please! Stop me from buying it.
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Thought I'd point out that the link above takes you to a page with prices in Euros, where the preorder price on the black on is 174 Euros.

The US shop has them at... $174 US:

http://usa.shop.lomography.com/cameras/new-in-stock
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Old 10-18-2012   #27
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Every film user should buy one of these - not for the camera itself (really neat idea, like the Yugo), but to support new fim production. The die-hards already buy alot of film. The future depends on building a healthy niche market. I like to think of the Belair, which appears to be significantly less toy-like than its colleagues, as a gateway to more refined pleasures. In 10 years it'll be Ilford and Lomography for 120 film and, possibly, Lomography alone for new build film bodies. Let's give Lomography a reason to up its game.
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I pre-ordered one

I use medium format folders from 645 to 6x9.. The intrigues me, given the price, 6x12, two lens, etc.. I also want to c if I can figure a way to mount a better lens on it...

The product run is rather small... To even be more than a drop in the bucket for 120 sales. This camera reminds me of the old kodak scissor style folders or the polaroid version...

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I'm headed to NY tomorrow. I should stop by the Lomography shop.
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On lens barrel you see the infinity, 3m, 1.5m and 1m marks, and f/8, f/16 aperture settings.
A lot of the early mf folders had lenses that stared around f3,6 anyway. Zone focus was the norm for the average camera and on those cameras most people used f8 to f11 anyway unless u had a external rangefinder.. Super ikonta and other rf or non-rf couple folders came later as the norm but they were more expensive, the scale focus folders were around for a long time.

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I'm headed to NY tomorrow. I should stop by the Lomography shop.
Pre-order only right now. Expected delivery mid December. But maybe they have a demo unit
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Here's a picture of the creation. If you look carefully, it has a bit of front tilt built in. I call it the Holgon...or was that the Grandga...?
Nice conversion

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Pre-order only right now. Expected delivery mid December. But maybe they have a demo unit
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Yes, here hoping for a demo unit.
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yikes!!!

just placed my per-order!!!

breathe, relax and enjoy.
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Looked at the product photos again. The film winder looks something like a folding wingnut design. Anyone have user experience with that type of winding? Seems to me that it'd take forever to get to the next frame in 6x12. I have a Zorki 4 that I never use and it's mainly because I hate the winding knob.
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If it is automatic exposure, where do you select ISO? Is there an exposure warning since max 125th sec?? Almost pulled the trigger!
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It is good to see that there is a new camera like this!

... but I will go on shooting panoramas with an XPan and 6x6 with a Mamiya 6
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If it is automatic exposure, where do you select ISO? Is there an exposure warning since max 125th sec?? Almost pulled the trigger!
http://microsites.lomography.com/belair/

This sister site gives more info.. But sadly not to your particular questions. My suspicion, no max setting or low for that matter.. U got f8 and 16 only so most likely back to pick your film speed wisely...

They did say aperture priority setup taken from lomo CL-A.

Some of the controls maybe hidden inside the body for all we know. The Fuji af 120 camera had an ISO bar code reader that set iso automatically, but I would be surprised a area at this price would have it. Fuji film was the only one I am aware of that put a bar code on their paper back for iso..

The two lenses are a 90 and 58. In 6x12 according to website 32 and 21 equiv respectively.

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YOU ALL CAN USE LOMO CODE "ilovelomo" for 10% off
and redeem your piggies if you just signed up for $10 off!

Pre-ordered the Globetrotter for the price of the Jetsetter!

Couldn't resist after saving 40 bucks! ARGHHH!
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Presuming that it is, or could be made light-tight, one would have to be seriously lacking in creativity or DIY talent to not be able to figure a way to put some serious lenses on the front of this camera.

I'm thinking the price is worth the entry fee to get a base camera that one could upgrade substantially.

I can justify that price for a base camera to work with. After all, I've spent more money for many used MF and folding cameras that had little potential for becoming more than they were designed to be.

I'm following this.....
+1 exactly.
One of my criteria has been that the camera should fit into a jacket pocket. But, yes, hmmm ...
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