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Digital Leica M8 / M8.2 / M9 / M-E /Mono / M10 aka "M" Discussions about the Leica M8 /M 8.2 / M9 / M9-P/ M-E / M Monochrom / M10 aka "M": Leica digital M mount rangefinder cameras. Naming the new digital M the "Leica M" is VERY unfortunate as it will only confuse newbies with other Leica M cameras of the the past. Happily there is room for confusion with only the past 59 years of Leica M production ... since Leica introduced the Leica M system in 1953. All Hail for the Leica Marketing Department learning Leica M history!

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Old 09-16-2012   #51
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These are starting to look really good - a possible replacement for film?
Perhaps better to say "alternative" rather than replacement.

The third option - B&W film, colour, and now the MM.
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Old 09-16-2012   #52
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The best one of the series here IMHO, keep up the good work
I like it also since it is not so harsh as most of the others: this one has nice greys. Seems that in many pics the MM is a bit to dark in dark spaces...

Thanks, Ron. That's very kind.

What I'm finding is that the MM is able to capture a very wide gamut of scenes - everything from gentle, subtle tonal transitions to harsh, contrasty, in-your-face images.

Here's one that breaks all the rules. I've shot this scene before in color and in that genre the distinctive orange of the flame provides enough separation to hold its place in the image. In black and white, the transparent flame nearly disappears. To address that I deliberately blew out the highlights and added contrast.

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I've posted three more images over at my blog, think this is my best one of the set;

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A few from day 2; testing at high ISO. St. Tropez, 4,000 ISO.





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Wow, I don't know where to start, but I love the images being posted here. not for the MM's technical brilliance but the photography level...keep posting guys!
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Sweet stuff Urban, very cool. Well another rainy day but I kept mostly dry, although my frame selector is now stuck on 35mm and won't change.

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Old 09-17-2012   #59
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Some of these are quite nice. If I narrow my eyes and squint a little I could almost fool myself into thinking they were shot on film.
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Old 09-19-2012   #60
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The man on bench is brilliant!

How do you like shooting in extreme contrasts, compared to the M9 sensor (bright, blowing sky + deep shadow detail)?

Is it a big step up or similar behaving, as the M9?
Thanks. Compared to the M9 the Monochrom is much smoother in it's tonal range that I need to add contrast. In this shot I put it through a Silver Efex Pro 2 filter to match how I like my black and white.

here is the original

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Kristian,

Thanks for sharing your insights. Very helpful in my waiting for my delivery. I wonder since I'm an old school analog film guy if my use of 2x yellow and 3x orange filters will carry over. I always liked my contrast on my negatives instead of pumping it up in the darkroom.

Also know that I'm a lazy slacker and wish to do the minimal in post processing as possible.

Anyways the look the Monochrome produces with your post processing is kinda what I do in medium format film. Thanks again for the inspiration.

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This thread is brilliant! Great stuff everyone. Very inspiring photography here.
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Thanks. Compared to the M9 the Monochrom is much smoother in it's tonal range that I need to add contrast. In this shot I put it through a Silver Efex Pro 2 filter to match how I like my black and white.

here is the original
Better without the added contrast IMHO....
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Better without the added contrast IMHO....
Got to say I'm with Rich here. For me you've gone too far with the contrast... but each to their own
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Better without the added contrast IMHO....
I beg to disagree. The contrast really makes the image work. At least on a calibrated IPS panel that I'm lucky to have

Great shots Kristian, surely the new camera is in the right hands.
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Thanks. Compared to the M9 the Monochrom is much smoother in it's tonal range that I need to add contrast. In this shot I put it through a Silver Efex Pro 2 filter to match how I like my black and white.

here is the original

i really like the added contrast you put in for the man himself but for me i like the smoothness of the rest of the bench and back ground in the original. both are stunning, your work is very good. I love this thread
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I beg to disagree. The contrast really makes the image work. At least on a calibrated IPS panel that I'm lucky to have

Great shots Kristian, surely the new camera is in the right hands.
Well, here is a tip:

In b&w if the foreground objects are not 'separated' from background objects the image has no depth and sense of space.

Since a photo is 2D the only way to create this separation is by gradual transition of tones, so if the scene is not high contrast and you "make it" high contrast that separation is lost, for example in the shot above there is no separation between the buildings and the sky.

Now, look again.
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This is such an enjoyable thread - putting a smile on my face every time I check back in to see what is new.
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Well, here is a tip:

In b&w if the foreground objects are not 'separated' from background objects the image has no depth and sense of space.

Since a photo is 2D the only way to create this separation is by gradual transition of tones, so if the scene is not high contrast and you "make it" high contrast that separation is lost, for example in the shot above there is no separation between the buildings and the sky.

Now, look again.
To me I think the opposite. I don't shoot wide open because I want the background to tell the story of the subject and feel the contrast is closer to the way I saw the scene, more 3D to me.

But at the end of the day I don't care too much about the technicality so much cause Ive always been attracted to high contrast imagery and its the way I best communicate.
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i really like the added contrast you put in for the man himself but for me i like the smoothness of the rest of the bench and back ground in the original. both are stunning, your work is very good. I love this thread
Thx for posting! This is EXACTLY what we need to see (us non-Monochrome owners anyway): side by side comparisons.
So we can be armchair judgers!
But really, I can see the smooth tonal range that Leica is announcing. And it is surprisingly exquisite.
The only thing I would like to see is the same pic as above but with an M9 for comparison. At least it would be a bit more scientific than anecdotal.
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Yes and M9 comparison would be great and I can tell exactly how it would be.

The M9 wouldn't have the same tonal range, and it would be more contrasty. But there would be more flexibility to change the overall look according to the color channels, just like using filters, only in post, which is a great advantage.

I'd only buy the Monochrom if you're looking for extra tonal range, simple post-processing, superior detail and high ISO ability that I doubt even the new M will be able to match.
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Love that original image!
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Ok, maybe this will put a smile on your faces.....

Here is a shot with clear overexposure on the lady's face.



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Now this is what i could bring back

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