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Old 08-30-2012   #26
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Well, 50 shots per charge seems to be extreme.

To me, part of the "film like" experience is never to worry about batteries. Even on a long trip one may need only a pair of button cells to roll for months...now you have to carry half a dozen small Li-on bricks during a day's walk.

Wonder if this could be fixed via firmware.
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Old 08-30-2012   #27
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Well, 50 shots per charge seems to be extreme.

To me, part of the "film like" experience is never to worry about batteries. Even on a long trip one may need only a pair of button cells to roll for months...now you have to carry half a dozen small Li-on bricks during a day's walk.

Wonder if this could be fixed via firmware.
I don't think it's near that bad, I have two batteries with my current DP2, I have them both charged and in a day out working I have never run out of battery power. Seriously if you were using film on a day out how many rolls would one usually shoot?

There are issues with the camera's for certain types of users, but if you fit the type of user the camera is designed for, and your prime concern is a quality image, then is changing a battery really that big a deal? would anyone actually take a lesser image quality for extended battery power?
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Folks, I have a crushing, debilitating hangover or I would comment further. Here is my best shot ...

It is the internet and you both are absolutely correct! My comment of "maybe 50" was just that ... a comment! I will try and flex the camera further this weekend and get some more specific data regarding battery performance.

In the meantime...

1.) Should the battery performance be better? Absolutely!

2.) Is it the closest thing to film in the digital world? Closest yet, IMHO. This is 120 slide film with no funny smells!

3). Is that accomplished in an incredibly small -though perhaps not pocketable format? Yes!

We are dealing with transferring 45-55MB files + a "live view" screen of fairly decent resolution -all this from a rather tiny battery. Excuse? Maybe not, but this camera is in a league of one in so many regards that this is important to note.
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Old 08-31-2012   #29
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I have 4 batteries with my DP2x, haven't ever needed to change them though in a day of shooting yet.

I'm intrigued by the DP2m still and always considering just biting the bullet.. the screen is much better?
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Folks, I have a crushing, debilitating hangover or I would comment further. Here is my best shot ...

It is the internet and you both are absolutely correct! My comment of "maybe 50" was just that ... a comment! I will try and flex the camera further this weekend and get some more specific data regarding battery performance.

In the meantime...

1.) Should the battery performance be better? Absolutely!

2.) Is it the closest thing to film in the digital world? Closest yet, IMHO. This is 120 slide film with no funny smells!

3). Is that accomplished in an incredibly small -though perhaps not pocketable format? Yes!

We are dealing with transferring 45-55MB files + a "live view" screen of fairly decent resolution -all this from a rather tiny battery. Excuse? Maybe not, but this camera is in a league of one in so many regards that this is important to note.
stangely 50 shots would suit me fine :-) I rarely shoot more in a day anyway, thanks for your input here. It helped me decide to get one. Cheers
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Old 09-01-2012   #31
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decent images here.... http://www.sigma-dp.com/DP1Merrill/jp/samplephoto.html
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Old 09-02-2012   #32
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the screen is much better?
Well, yes. It is much bigger and I would say a better resolution. That may be played up a bit for me with the longer lens than my DP1.

Regardless, it is still a live view and dies in strong light. I have never used a "barn door" style hood on the back, yet. I may try a VF as well. The simple reality is that an optional plugin EVF (think Nex-5n) with this major redesign certainly would have been welcome, IMHO.
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Old 09-06-2012   #33
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This review from The Luminous Landscape may push a few people off the fence regarding buying this camera....

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/re...m_review.shtml
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Old 09-06-2012   #34
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A friend bought one of these over the weekend, and while he understandably won't lend it to me properly yet, we swapped our new cameras (I bought an RX100 recently) for an hour or so when we met earlier this week.

I've never owned a DP series camera, so no comparisons to be made there.

My initial impression was that this was definitely not the camera for me.
It felt like a step backwards in terms of things I had come to expect from high end digital cameras in general, namely speed of operation and low light performance. The RX100 has all of these things in *****s. (why is s-pade censored?)
I had no idea why anyone would spend $1000 on one of these.

The photos looked pretty average on the LCD too, but when I got home I was -immensely- impressed at the resolution the camera is capable of. All of the sudden the camera didn't feel like a joke. Most of my shots were botched by motion blur, though, since I admittedly wasn't taking it very seriously and it was getting dark at the time.

I still wouldn't buy one at the current asking price, but as others have mentioned this is a very specialised tool with a very specific target audience. I must admit it seems a bit odd though, since I think if I did actually get this little camera I would feel inclined to put it on a steady tripod to get the most out of it.

Less seriously, it's about the most film like camera I've handled in recent years, and it's not just the look of the files.
Batteries are a lot more like rolls of film than memory cards: with recent SD card sizes going up to 128gb, you can forget about carrying spares (well, perhaps one, just in case) and having to them swap mid-day.
But instead of having to change films every several dozen shots you have to change batteries instead

And when you run out, you're done for the day. No going back and deleting photos to squeeze out some more space. On the plus side, unlike rolls of film at least you can recharge them in your hotel room

Just my two cents.

Oh, and the battery died shortly after I handed the camera back - that foveon sensor must need some serious juice.

Edit: Forgot to mention I hate the ergonomics. A personal thing really, but I wish this camera was made by Ricoh/Pentax. Same goes for the RX100. There's just too much emphasis on making it look nice and clean, sacrificing grips and controls in the process.
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Old 09-07-2012   #35
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I respect Sigma and the Foveon sensor as it was their DP2 that brought me back into photography.

If they sorted out these issues, I'd be happy to make another Sigma purchase.
1. The interface is clunky(before the upgrade with white lettering to help).
2. I manually focus, but wish fast AF was an option.
3. I have the OVF, but don't like it much because it's still a gestimate game. I want a built in viewfinder.
4. No weather sealing.
5. Did they fix the splotches of color issue?
6. Too expensive. (I bought mine right when it came out. I will wait until it drops substantially before consideration)
7. Can the shutter shoot until 100,000 snaps? I wonder.

The SD1 Merrill is not an option for me as Sigma's lenses are not right for me.

The DP2 is a great camera, but it is ONLY the Foveon sensor which makes it great. I just hope Sigma keeps making cameras but improves their R&D.
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Old 09-07-2012   #36
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The RX100 has all of these things in *****s. (why is s-pade censored?)
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Old 09-07-2012   #37
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I think the headline from Luminous Landscape defines it well enough:
"Definately Not for Camera Pussys"
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Old 09-13-2012   #38
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So, did anyone get one?
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Old 09-13-2012   #39
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So, did anyone get one?
Ive ordered one but being in NZ where nobody sells them I'm still waiting for it to arrive. Will let you know what I think.
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Old 09-13-2012   #40
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They seem to be currently back order on b&h and other sites here in US as well.. It is an interesting camera.

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Old 09-13-2012   #41
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Derogatory term in the US.
The phrase "[something] has it in *****s refers to a winning hand from a deck of cards". And *****s in a deck of cards are shovels. So maybe we're forced here at RFF to use the modified phrase "It has it in shovels."
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Old 09-13-2012   #42
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as a matter of interest, my camera of choice at the moment is a Fuji GSW690111 so this is what I will compare the DP2Merrill to, if the Merrill ever arrives that is!
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Old 09-14-2012   #43
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I find the complaints about the price odd to say the least, other than the new Sony, it's got the best image quality of any compact, and close to the best of any sub-medium format camera! For less than £1000, it's dirt cheap! So the AF is slow, the m9 doesn't have AF, and we don't mind that.
Just because some cameras can take 9 shots a second, doesn't mean they all have to, we complain about obsolescence, but insist our cameras are as awesome as the latest model, it's not the companies making stuff obsolete,it's us!

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Old 09-14-2012   #44
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I also wonder about slow AF...about those who complaint about AF being slow. For sports there are native sports cameras. I think if one feels AF is too slow (as said, except sports) he is either shooting too fast or seeing too slow.
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Old 09-14-2012   #45
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I also wonder about slow AF...about those who complaint about AF being slow. For sports there are native sports cameras. I think if one feels AF is too slow (as said, except sports) he is either shooting too fast or seeing too slow.
How about in the streets? The AF is too slow for anything moving, not just sports.

Go to the 6:10 mark on this video and tell me it is not slow:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=ZlyYrwqCseA

I'm not saying it is a bad camera for having slow autofocus, but it IS a still life camera (a damn good one too).
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I used to have a DP2 and the lens never made that noise when focussing. It also focussed quicker than that. I think Steve's copy is faulty.
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Old 09-14-2012   #47
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I see they removed the manual focus wheel (excellent for zone focus) that DP1 had and put the manual focusing on the lens barrel (which is nice). But there are no focus distance markings on the lens? Eh.
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That's good to hear Nigel. Another AF video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mco1BCbwJjQ
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My DP2x focuses faster than both my X100 and the S100 when I had it, strange isn't it!

also, LMAO at the noise on Steve's camera.
For what it's worth I can only laugh about it because the focus motor/assembly on my DP2x took a crap the other week and I had to send it back to Sigma for a repair.

Very good customer service though (when you own a DP.)
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My DP2x focuses faster than both my X100 and the S100 when I had it, strange isn't it!.

Yes, I did notice a FW update came out which people state improved the AF speed.
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