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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

View Poll Results: How much are you willing to pay for FF Mirrorless (or M Module)
FF? My APSC/m43 is perfectly fine 21 13.38%
$0-500 4 2.55%
$501-$1000 18 11.46%
$1001-$1500 31 19.75%
$1501-$2000 42 26.75%
$2001-$2500 32 20.38%
$2501-$3000 20 12.74%
$3001-$3500 4 2.55%
$3501-$4000 4 2.55%
I would gladly sell my kidney and pay for any price 1 0.64%
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Old 07-12-2013   #41
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I would tend to agree, sadly, that Ricoh may never do it. I think they have lost a lot of focus after acquiring Pentax. Lets c how well they refocus now that the grd is done.
How'd they lose focus?
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I was shooting GXR-M with 35/1.2 @1.4 yesterday, and as much as I love the combo, I really hope I can be shooting 50/1.4 on FF. So, how much are you willing to pay for a FF mirrorless. Let's assume it's a GXR M Module with mid-level sensor (<24MP), effective microlenses arrangement like the current M module.

I would gladly pay for $2000 for the M Module alone, and if there is an update in the body, additional for that too. How about you?

I hope that Ricoh and other maker can see this thread and be encouraged in that direction.
You point them to this thread yet, and point out there's a market evolving here? I'd be more than happy to test one and blare its fortes off the roofs to further the sales

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I don't have any Ricoh contact. Hope that their sales figure of A12 is encouraging enough that they are considering the FF option. But it is not hard to see that whenever there is a mirrorless FF rumor, be it mini-M or the FF NEX, people on various forums get excited.
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Old 09-07-2013   #44
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I don't have any Ricoh contact. Hope that their sales figure of A12 is encouraging enough that they are considering the FF option. But it is not hard to see that whenever there is a mirrorless FF rumor, be it mini-M or the FF NEX, people on various forums get excited.
The ones who don't understand the technicalities get excited about the possibility of building one, and the ones who have some understanding of the technicalities then get excited -- actually, "exercised" would be a better word -- about how rapidly such people zoom into cloud-cuckoo land.

I love the idea of optimizing sensors for a wide variety of lenses that were never designed for digital. The best solutions are probably software based, but to take an extreme example, who is going to write the software to optimize my Thambar for my M9? They only ever made about 3000 Thambars and I'd be surprised if more than 100 of those see regular use today.

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$5000 or so.
I see them at 3500 frequently
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The Sony A7 and A7r are starting to look promising as a full frame M-mount option if Ricoh doesn't come to the party. Anecdotal reports suggest that lenses from 28 upwards work fairly well, with 35 and up working with almost no vignetting or coloured edges. For lenses 28mm and wider, it seems that extreme retrofocus lens designs may suffer at bit. I love my GXR-M, and have been shooting more with it recently, but a full frame option with focus peaking and similar upgrades would only add to our choices.
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Since the A7 my price is now $1700.
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The Sony A7 and A7r are starting to look promising as a full frame M-mount option if Ricoh doesn't come to the party. Anecdotal reports suggest that lenses from 28 upwards work fairly well, with 35 and up working with almost no vignetting or coloured edges. For lenses 28mm and wider, it seems that extreme retrofocus lens designs may suffer at bit. I love my GXR-M, and have been shooting more with it recently, but a full frame option with focus peaking and similar upgrades would only add to our choices.
I have the A7 now. After quick tests of all my M-mount lenses:

- Color Skopar 21, 28, Ultron 28/2, Nokton 50/1.5 LTM :: unacceptable
- Color Skopar 35, 50 :: satisfactory
- Nokton 40/1.4 MC, M-Rokkor 40/2, M-Rokkor 90/4, Hektor 135/4.5 :: good

On the other hand, all my Leica R lenses (24, 50/2, 50/1.4, 90/2, 135/2.8, 180/2.8) and Nikkor SLR lenses (50/1.2, 55/3.5, 85/1.8, 105/2.8) work very well with it. I have yet to see how the Nikkor 18 and Elmarit-R 19 mm lenses do, but I expect well.

From other tests done on various forums around the net, I'd say that the A7/A7r are excellent bodies for nearly all SLR lenses but only for a small percentage of RF mount lenses.

I consider the A7 a sort of "one-body-fits-all" SLR replacement.

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Wouldn't want any mirrorless. All those I tried have awefull ergonomics.
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I checked "$501-1000": Used Fuji X-E1 w/ new Metabones Speedbooster for Canon FD mount ($750 total). This has been by far my best experience shooting digital, with my extensive collection of Canon FD and M42 glass. Classics like the Pentax Takumar 50mm f1.4 and Canon FD 24mm f2 really shine on this body.
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