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CSC : Digital Compact System Cameras - This new category of digital Compact System Cameras with interchangeable lenses was mislabeled for a time as "Mirrorless Cameras" by those forgetting about "Mirrorless" Rangefinder cameras.  Such confusion is easily understandable, since interchangeable rangefinder cameras were only recently introduced in 1932.  hmm.    CSC or Compact System Camera is probably the best category description to date, although I am fond of the old RFF desigation of  CEVIL  indicating Compact Electronic Viewfidner Interchangeable Lens.   This forum is here at RFF because via adapters these cameras offer an inexpensive way to use rangefinder lenses on digital cameras -- in addition of just about every 35mm SLR lens you can think of.  All  offer the photo enthusiast an incredible array of adopted lenses which was not possible before these new digital formats.   This group continues to grow in popularity and new camera models! 

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The Canon "mirrorless"
Old 07-20-2012   #1
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The Canon "mirrorless"

http://www.43rumors.com/and-here-it-...he-m43-system/

Glad they've entered the market. Though it looks like it came out of a blister pack at Wal-mart.
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Performance aside, I always hated the look and size of the Canon G series. This just continues that trend.
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Except...without the manual controls or viewfinder. What is that grip all about? It looks like an atavistic growth of some sort.
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A gill remnant. An absorbed twin. "Mrs. Canon, though we recognize that you wish to bond with your newborn, we strongly recommend you allow us to remove that."

"And its sunken chevron-shaped shutter button enclosure?"

"I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about that."

"But doctor...why? How did this happen?"

"I'm sorry, Mrs. Canon--your child has been in utero for four years. It has become...squished"
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I don't really care how it looks. I'm mainly interested in how it performs and its image quality but that remains to be seen.
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Perhaps "Dollar" store....
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Perhaps "Dollar" store....

I saw the little EVIL "mirrorless" Nikon in a blisterpack at a "Dollar" store. Perhaps Canon is picking this market to try to get on the same wire rack.
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judging by the size of the hotshoe it appears to be a very small camera, perhaps even s90 size (width and height, probably not depth). i'm curious to see how big/small the lenses will be.
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When I saw the title of this thread I thought the Pellix was back....
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Of all the letters available for identifying a lens mount...they had to go with M.
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Old 07-20-2012   #10
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i'm noticing it has a dial around the shutter button, and a dial (ring) on the back like on the S models. so manual handling might not be that bad, though it's not as nice as having the ISO and exp comp dials on the G series.

it's certainly not a looker, though, lol.
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I don't really care how it looks. I'm mainly interested in how it performs and its image quality but that remains to be seen.
Ahhh, performance and IQ will be fine, just like every other current production APS-C camera on planet earth. BUT JUST LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT IT! DO YOU WANT TO REWARD THE MONSTERS WHO CREATED IT
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Ahhh, performance and IQ will be fine, just like every other current production APS-C camera on planet earth. BUT JUST LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT IT! DO YOU WANT TO REWARD THE MONSTERS WHO CREATED IT
I don't see any difference between this and the Olympus OM-D that everyone seems to get wet dreams over. Both are ugly. So what??
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Ahhh, performance and IQ will be fine, just like every other current production APS-C camera on planet earth. BUT JUST LOOK AT IT. LOOK AT IT! DO YOU WANT TO REWARD THE MONSTERS WHO CREATED IT
lol, i feel the same way about current hondas. sure they work great but they're a crime against my eyes.
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I'm not a big fan of the product design on this thing neither. :/

KISS is the word. And I wish Canon got it.
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Should have revived the Canonet!
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I'm sure it will have a great personality. Maybe its sister will take it to the prom.
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Wait!! There's been a mistake. That is actually Canon's new baby monitor.
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FWIW, Field was hotter than Welch, all the way. And of course I am just trolling, I am mildly drunk and don't give a rat's arse. Can't you tell by my comma-splicing?
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Could they have made its appearance any more utilitarian I wonder?

I hope it's a good camera because it sure won't sell on it's looks!


And stompyg ... thanks!
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There's a shot of the rear of this gadget here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/20/c...possible-leak/

It looks like there's clickwheels you can use with your thumb and index finger like on the non-Rebel dslrs. I like that. My curiosity is piqued.
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Another non VF camera...
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pluses
- 35mm-e f/2 pancake at intro.
- aps-c sensor.
- clean, modern design. vaguely contax t-series with the beveled edge.
- mode dial coaxial with the shutter button.
- no port for a stinkin' accessory EVF.
- frankenstein neck bolts for strap lugs. awesome.
- cool name. admit it.

minuses
- 18-55mm kit lens is not collapsible. show a little more effort, canon.
- no port for a stinkin' accessory EVF, not that i care.

wait and see
- phase-detect autofocus on sensor.
- built-in image stabilization (not likely).
- higher end model with sony nex-7 style EVF position, or faux-prism.
- where have i seen that grip before?
- 'q' = quick menu?
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Okay so it's pretty obvious their first entry to the market is a complete consumer device. HOWEVER, I kind of like it. It looks tiny, It looks very very simple, I love the top on/off dial and the diamond pattern 'focus ring'.

But eh....should bring a digital canonet to the market - nex-7 style but with canon lenses, UI, sensor, and design.

Either way, the ef-M lenses obviously don't have aperture rings, so as far as I'm concerned fujifilm has canon licked in the mirrorless department.
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I don't really care how it looks. I'm mainly interested in how it performs and its image quality but that remains to be seen.
i use to say that about my women
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A gill remnant. An absorbed twin. "Mrs. Canon, though we recognize that you wish to bond with your newborn, we strongly recommend you allow us to remove that."

"And its sunken chevron-shaped shutter button enclosure?"

"I'm afraid there's nothing we can do about that."

"But doctor...why? How did this happen?"

"I'm sorry, Mrs. Canon--your child has been in utero for four years. It has become...squished"
) excellent. Just what i wanted to say, in much less cool words.
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There's a shot of the rear of this gadget here:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/07/20/c...possible-leak/

It looks like there's clickwheels you can use with your thumb and index finger like on the non-Rebel dslrs. I like that. My curiosity is piqued.
my god..look at image no 2 (the one depicting "the rear of this gadget")
Could it be a worse shot? my 5 years old niece shoots better pics with a cell phone's camera...
Maybe it's appropriate though. Sometimes it helps if you can't see sharp
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i agree with what others have said re: the camera's looks, but at the end of the day that's not a deal breaker for me.

i just hope that Canon comes out with a higher end body in addition to this leaked one. dear god let it not just be another Nikon 1....
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i agree with what others have said re: the camera's looks, but at the end of the day that's not a deal breaker for me.

i just hope that Canon comes out with a higher end body in addition to this leaked one. dear god let it not just be another Nikon 1....
I would humbly suggest you try a Nikon 1 series out for a while. I am using the V1 and consider it an extremely capable camera.
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i don't think it's bad looking at all. the proprietary strap lugs, though: why make it difficult to use one's own favorite strap? so the owner has to use one with canon printed on it, i suppose.
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M canon camera

Very interesting device...love the fact canon is not running away from aps-c or ff sensors like nikon v series but going directly towards them, this new camera puts some tension in own canonīs market since can outclass their middle to cheap dsrlīs.
Itīs easy to make apsc cameras if you doīt have a wide range of dsrlīs to beat, like fuji, sony etc....

Letīsee how comminted canon is in order to develop this mirroless market...letīs see how good are the M systems lenses.

Itīs a fine beginning i love canon over nikon because they are always more flexible and bold in their decisions, despite being less "bright" than nikon...

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Boring specs, boring implementation (no innovation whatsoever), and even worse looks.

I would pick a Nex 7 over this camera.
And I am as far as being a Sony fan as one could be.
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I would humbly suggest you try a Nikon 1 series out for a while. I am using the V1 and consider it an extremely capable camera.
+1 - my V1 is quite usable.

And the new Canon? No integral EVF = zero interest from me.
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one can reasonably assume that this thing has PDAF on the sensor. it's only a matter of waiting to see if it's fast, can track objects, and holds up in low light.

and then hope they keep on copying sony and put out an enthusiast model with an EVF in the corner.
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my 5 years old niece shoots better pics with a cell phone's camera...
Your 5 year old niece has a cell phone? I'm getting old...

I have a feeling Canon's going to price this thing above the current NEX 5N pricing given their past pricing on the G1X. It actually looks like it was modeled after the nex given with the back buttons (or lack of) and the similar looking zoom lens and pancake (just diff focal length after all the undeserved uproar the 16mm focal length received).
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Your 5 year old niece has a cell phone? I'm getting old...
LOL
no, i wrote "with acell phone", not "with her cell phone". She insisted to take control over my rather old iPhone and managed to:
-call my voicemail
-call my dentist
-take sharp photos of me, but without the head (i'm too tall for her)
-start angry birds rio.

All this while she was taking a bath so i am happy the phone is still functional and didn't take a dive.
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Focus peaking?
M-Mount adapter?

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I think it looks nice :/ .

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