X-Pro 1 reviewed at DPReview

[rxmd]

The X-Pro 1 has been (finally) reviewed in detail at DPReview:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilm-x-pro1/

The review seems generally positive and balanced, with criticisms mainly in the now well-known areas such as slow autofocus, usability of manual focus, some user interface concerns, and the observation that if you label your camera "Pro", you get compared to the pros.

[gavinlg]

It only got a few percent less overall score than the d800 and 5d mkIII. When fujifilm updates the firmware again and gets the camera going quicker still, it's going to be pretty funny seeing comparisons against the $3500 5d and $3000 d800....

[Monochrom]

Hi, interesting...but it seems teh x-pro lacks a fast and reliable autofocus...also the small sensor is not very apealing..can´t see no reason to get the x-pro over a leica x2....much lighter and smaller...

I´m not impressed on the f1.4 capability...

Perhaps in the future will develop a fast and usable autofocus system taht can rival the rf manual settings...because manual focus once you´re skilled is as faster as a fast autofocus system...

cheers!

[Moriturii]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

also the small sensor is not very apealing

The sensor in the Fuji X Pro 1 is superior to any sensor Leica has ever shown, and it is generally speaking one of the top sensors out there today. So this comment is absolutely crazy.

The sensor in the X PRO 1 is VERY very good.

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

Hi, interesting...but it seems teh x-pro lacks a fast and reliable autofocus...also the small sensor is not very apealing..can´t see no reason to get the x-pro over a leica x2....much lighter and smaller...

I´m not impressed on the f1.4 capability...

Perhaps in the future will develop a fast and usable autofocus system taht can rival the rf manual settings...because manual focus once you´re skilled is as faster as a fast autofocus system...

cheers!

It's genuinely not as bad as they say it is in terms of AF performance. Also, you should probably note they said the 35mm f1.4 was one of, if not the best 50mm lens they've ever had in there. A lot of guys in that office are leica users too.

[BobYIL]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

Hi, interesting...but it seems teh x-pro lacks a fast and reliable autofocus...also the small sensor is not very apealing..can´t see no reason to get the x-pro over a leica x2....much lighter and smaller...

I´m not impressed on the f1.4 capability...

Perhaps in the future will develop a fast and usable autofocus system taht can rival the rf manual settings...because manual focus once you´re skilled is as faster as a fast autofocus system...

cheers!

Fast AF today (pro-cameras, OM-D, Nikon V1 series) means focusing will be accomplished in less than 60 milliseconds, that is roughly 1/16th of a second (less than one-tenth).. This is the new standard these days.. (We can not do it manually.)

[boomguy57]

Does anyone know if the latest firmware addressed the AUTO-ISO issue (regarding setting a minimum shutter speed)?

[semilog]

A very fair & thorough review. The camera has some deficiencies but the stellar sensor performance and low weight make it a real winner. As does the 35/1.4 and the newly-announce lens roadmap. The performance of the 28/2 is satisfactory, particularly when the maximum aperture and near-pancake design are considered.

Boomguy, the AUTO-ISO behavior is still somewhat suboptimal. It would definitely be nice to lock in 1/250 or 1/500 without using shutter priority.

Also, my Fujifilm M-mount adaptor just shipped from B&H. I've mounted my ZM Biogons on the camera using other adaptors. I was happy with the image quality (some corner smearing but gorgeous color) but not with the mechanical quality of the Kipon adaptor that I previously had (that adaptor was, to put it charitably, poorly-machined garbage).

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by semilog

The performance of the 28/2 is satisfactory, particularly when the maximum aperture and near-pancake design are considered.

Exactly... not too many 28mm f/2 lenses out there for $600. CV is the only that I can think of.

[Monochrom]

Hi, many guys are talking about 28mm and 50mlenses...the x-pro has a n aps-c sensor...it´s not a full frame sensor...so in order to achieve filed of view they go back to wide angle settings in which you gain a lot of dof in comparison to the original 24x36 frame...don´t get confused....

the versatility of a real 28 or a real 50 is way beyond the ability fo a crop sensor...and fov lenses
If you get a 35mm lens from 2.8 on you´ll get a huge dof from 10 feet on...also a 17-18 mm lens is almost absolute dof at f2 from a very short distance...
The 35mm lens of the fuji has a 1.4 aperture but i really can´t say if that can rival a c-sonnar or a summicron, or a planar in 50mm focal lenght. Also waht about spherical aberrations, the review showed that fuji has implemented a lot of software corrections...this may render the fuji very usable to show work on the net but not necessarily good for printing or other more demanding task...

The x-pro may achive focus in milliseconds only if the contrast of the subject is enough....so...in some point the fuji will eventually be faster than a skilled manual focus photog...but most of the time will not.
And clearly it won´t be faster in one of the most used conditions... that being poor light or available light...

In terms on a better sensor it maybe...but no way it can rival a full frame sensor...thou very impressive the dynamic range ability....but how many software is applyed in camera???

Anyway is a fine looking handsome camera...surely it will be a huge success!!!

[jsrockit]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

Also waht about spherical aberrations, the review showed that fuji has implemented a lot of software corrections...this may render the fuji very usable to show work on the net but not necessarily good for printing or other more demanding task...

I can assure you that prints from the Fujis are very nice. Not sure why you think we cannot make prints from this camera.

[awbphotog]

Originally Posted by jsrockit

I can assure you that prints from the Fujis are very nice. Not sure why you think we cannot make prints from this camera.

Maybe he really wants one but doesn't want to admit it. His user ID is Monochrom, after all

[mabelsound]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

Hi, many guys are talking about 28mm and 50mlenses...the x-pro has a n aps-c sensor...it´s not a full frame sensor...so in order to achieve filed of view they go back to wide angle settings in which you gain a lot of dof in comparison to the original 24x36 frame...don´t get confused....

I don't think there is a single person on this entire messageboard who is confused about that.

[willie_901]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

.......

In terms on a better sensor it maybe...but no way it can rival a full frame sensor...thou very impressive the dynamic range ability....but how many software is applyed in camera???

Software can not increase the dynamic range after the image is recorded. The dynamic range is an inherent property of the measurement system.

The Fuji DR setting overrides the exposure set by the meter or photographer to preserve highlight information. When the in-camera JPEG is rendered, the firmware lifts the shadow regions. But this does not increase the dynamic range. It just automatically attempts to render a JPEG where the inherent dynamic range is available to the viewer.

[macjim]

Originally Posted by awbphotog

Maybe he really wants one but doesn't want to admit it. His user ID is Monochrom, after all

Then he must be a Leica monochrom fan! ;-)
Sorry, couldn't resist it

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[SausalitoDog]

Originally Posted by Monochrom

Hi, interesting...but it seems teh x-pro lacks a fast and reliable autofocus...also the small sensor is not very apealing..can´t see no reason to get the x-pro over a leica x2....much lighter and smaller...

I´m not impressed on the f1.4 capability...

Perhaps in the future will develop a fast and usable autofocus system taht can rival the rf manual settings...because manual focus once you´re skilled is as faster as a fast autofocus system...

cheers!

The x2 doesn't have the hybrid VF... Not in the same league for me.

[Johnhw]

Frankly I have not seen a camera in years cause manny comments or controversy as the x pro.
But I am of the opinion that if you have not taken the time to truly use one and find out what it's about, you really have no reason to comment.
If you can make a decision the cameras not for you without taking a turn at the wheel...fine then...go about your business and move on.
Just common curtesy...shooters here I have found to be pretty well rehearsed most of the time.

[Aristophanes]

The first 3 DP Review cons against it are:

focus
focus
focus

I have tried it a few times in the local shop and I simply cannot get over how, for a supposed RF-like experience, this camera has an inferior focus capability, especially for the price. The thing has an aura, but when you get right down to it, its focus capabilities are eclipsed by a DSLR at about the same size and 1/4 the cost.

It has a good sensor, but now they all do.

[Johnhw]

Yep
It's not perfect but certainly setting correctly helps as I found out after my first frustration with it
Then it changed for the good for me
I live with it and enjoy it but I can see why some others may not.
The review didn't tell me anything new
But for me the connection is there.

[umcelinho]

had the opportunity to handle an xpro1 this week at a shop for a couple minutes. AF was pretty much like my X100's, didn't feel any difference. Now, MF felt much better than the x100, much more well balanced. Camera is slightly heavier than the X100. Not bad. To try it in real life could lead to different conclusions though.. a friend actually bought one in NYC and did some shooting in the streets with the 35/1.4 and felt AF was missing many shots, so he decided it was not for him and returned it (he regularly shoots with an M9). At first I had a tough time with the X100, but then I got the hand of it... I think it'd be probably the same scenario. I'm waiting for the 23/1.4 to be out though, by then an M10 would be in the market, cheaper M9s.. we'll see

[Jamie Pillers]

I think folks are completely over-blowing the focusing issues with this camera. Auto-focus is plenty fast enough for any situation I've run into thus far. I don't have any more focus failures than with any other camera I've ever owned.

Manual focus? If you treat the X-100 or X-Pro1 as ZONE focusing cameras, they are superb. Use the AE-L/AF-L button for instant focus. Focusing with the lens focus ring is really designed only to provide super fine focusing (using the magnified view) for things like macro or portraits.

[Jamie Pillers]

No.. not yet. However it does give you a choice of how high you want to let the Auto-ISO to go. For example, you can set it to Auto-ISO(400), or (800), .. on up.

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by Jamie Pillers

I think folks are completely over-blowing the focusing issues with this camera. Auto-focus is plenty fast enough for any situation I've run into thus far. I don't have any more focus failures than with any other camera I've ever owned.

Manual focus? If you treat the X-100 or X-Pro1 as ZONE focusing cameras, they are superb. Use the AE-L/AF-L button for instant focus. Focusing with the lens focus ring is really designed only to provide super fine focusing (using the magnified view) for things like macro or portraits.

Agreed 100%. The same talk applies to the x100, which in my opinion is a great AF-er. In fact I got more frustrated with my 5d/d300/e-3 than I do with my x100 - all of which had much much lower focussing accuracy. Once you've enabled the AF correction frame in the x100/xpro, when it says it's focused, it's 100% focussed. And using the manual focus as it's intended (zone focusing) it's really quite brilliant.

[gavinlg]

Originally Posted by umcelinho

a friend actually bought one in NYC and did some shooting in the streets with the 35/1.4 and felt AF was missing many shots, so he decided it was not for him and returned it (he regularly shoots with an M9).

AF correction frame needs to be on, which was probably the problem there. Without it you're basically blind to parallax.

[Archlich]

- No face detection AF system


I apologize for my ignorance, but do the D4 and the 1Dx have face detection?